Shaikh Faisal

[C47]

Has anyone seen this, there is this "Shaikh Faisal", from Jamaica. I read about him in a PDF called something like Be aware of Takfir. It was very confusing at first (Salafi vs Salafi), then it was interesting (Takfiris) and now it is scary (i.e. not to be extreme). I also read that this Shaikh has taken back most of the statements he made. Are his tapes still in (official) distribution?

His new video looks very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZR_Kz-QjEA

[Yousef al Khattab]

Has anyone seen this, there is this "Shaikh Faisal", from Jamaica. I read about him in a PDF called something like Be aware of Takfir. It was very confusing at first (Salafi vs Salafi), then it was interesting (Takfiris) and now it is scary (i.e. not to be extreme). I also read that this Shaikh has taken back most of the statements he made. Are his tapes still in (official) distribution?

His new video looks very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZR_Kz-QjEA
Asalam 3leikoum wr wb,

The shaikh ONLY took back what he said about Bin Baz based on a account by a noteworth source that Bin Baz made taubah on his death bed. You can find the shaikhs lectures on our website http://www.revolutionmuslim.com and we have 2 new dvds coming anyday now from Shaikh Faisel inshallah. His new video is just as good as his old audios.

Fiamanillah

[hifdh]

I have a DVD somewhere where Abu Qatada publicly debated Abdullah Faisal in arabic about his excessive takfir, especially in regards to the shuyukh in saudi. Very good and informative debate although Faisal wasn't providing a just and fair English translation (Abu Qatada can not speak English). The debate is worth watching to learn how two like-minded men differed so greatly on this issue. Unfortunately the person recording cut the end off so Allahu alem how it ended.

If I can find the disc I will upload it to Google Videos.

[Hajjaj]

Joseph ask Trevor is he going to pay back the evil, wicked Saudi Government that has never done any good for the room and boarding and education he received in Riyadh the capital of evil. How many student stipend checks did he throw back into the face of the evil paymaster?

[Intoodeep]

Joseph ask Trevor is he going to pay back the evil, wicked Saudi Government that has never done any good for the room and boarding and education he received in Riyadh the capital of evil. How many student stipend checks did he throw back into the face of the evil paymaster?

Why the envy matey. better he eat it then the kuffar. if only we could take it all....

[Noorah]

Joseph ask Trevor is he going to pay back the evil, wicked Saudi Government that has never done any good for the room and boarding and education he received in Riyadh the capital of evil. How many student stipend checks did he throw back into the face of the evil paymaster?

i guess that also makes him what he's called the 'scholar for dollars' since he too took their money and facilities.
how could he?!

[Hamza]

i guess that also makes him what he's called the 'scholar for dollars' since he too took their money and facilities.
how could he?!

Because maybe it didnt affect his views? (not that iv heard much from Sh. Faysal.)

[Hajjaj]

Why the envy matey. better he eat it then the kuffar. if only we could take it all....

I've never been called "matey" before. What are you a pirate? Should I be offended?

[waziri]

Why the envy matey. better he eat it then the kuffar. if only we could take it all....

Good point akhi, that wealth belongs to the ummah not the fasiqeeen who rule the hijaz.

Its better that muslims have it rather than the americans

[Noorah]

oh but when anyone else takes it they are evil?

[Umm]

i guess that also makes him what he's called the 'scholar for dollars' since he too took their money and facilities.
how could he?!

Scholars for dollars refers to government scholars whose fatwas are bought and paid for. I hardly think Faisal can be accused of that!


Brother Hajjaj, why is br Yusuf being called "Joseph" and br Faisal being called "Trevor"? They have Muslim names.

[waziri]

oh but when anyone else takes it they are evil?

When did I say that?

[Logic lover]

Yusuf alKhattab wrote:

''The shaikh ONLY took back what he said about Bin Baz based on a account by a noteworth source that Bin Baz made taubah on his death bed.''

Reply:

First of all, is the educated enough to be classed as a Sheikh?

Secondly, if he has just taken back his comment about Sk Bin Bazz - then he needs to take back some more of his comments and statements about the issue of Takfir and so on. I can quote the extracts inshaAllah.

[Hajjaj]

Brother Hajjaj, why is br Yusuf being called "Joseph" and br Faisal being called "Trevor"? They have Muslim names.

I am just trying to fire him up. His post are so bland, dull, couscous and so passion less when is he going to let his hair down and tell us what he really thinks?

[al-Athari]

Joseph ask Trevor is he going to pay back the evil, wicked Saudi Government that has never done any good for the room and boarding and education he received in Riyadh the capital of evil. How many student stipend checks did he throw back into the face of the evil paymaster?

LOL, they funded his education and their shayookh taught him. He's purely a student of knowledge. Everybody needs to be put into their place, they are really overdoing it with him the same way al-Muhajiroun was overdoing it with Omar Bakri. He should focus on expanding his knowledge and hold back his tongue from issues that has nothing to do with him, nor cause any benefit to the Muslims.

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

hajjaj you really are sad individual, i would advise you to get married so that you wont need to come onto a islamic forum to find 'passion' and 'fire'.

also if you believe that Abdullah Faisal and Yusuf Khattab are not muslim please state that, shut up or call them by their muslim names.

Akhie al-athari many brothers in the past have said the same thing, Sh.Faisal is easily accessible why not put him in his place rather than classifying his level of knowledge on a forum that he doesnt visit. Many people have done the same to Omar Bakri, so you could even record your conversation and put it up on here.

[Hajjaj]

hajjaj you really are sad individual, i would advise you to get married so that you wont need to come onto a islamic forum to find 'passion' and 'fire'.

I am sorry. I guest that one went completely over your head.

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

you 'guest' wrong, take the advice and hold your tongue.

[Hajjaj]

also if you believe that Abdullah Faisal and Yusuf Khattab are not muslim please state that, shut up or call them by their muslim names.

When does calling some by what their mother named them makes them not Muslim. This is a new level of takfir. Can you be a Muslim and not have a Muslim name? Give us the fatwa Ya Aba Abdur-Rahman.

[Abu Sabaya]

A question that's been bugging me:

How is it that Ibn Baz can be a kafir for allowing the help of disbelievers against other disbelievers - a perfectly legitimate Shar'i ruling - but Qaradawi is respected while he encouraged Muslims to help the disbelievers fight other Muslims (http://www.unc.edu/%7Ekurzman/Qaradawi_et_al.htm)?

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

yes you can be muslim and have a non muslim name aslong as it is not a name relating to the worship of idols etc, however you should still keep your mouth closed as it is clear that you have had to resort to attempting to belittle the characters of Yusuf and Sh.Faisal and i see your decision to call them by names other than the the names they have chosen for themselves as just another way of disrespecting them and i dont like it, so go to sleep like you said you were going to.

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

A question that's been bugging me:

How is it that Ibn Baz can be a kafir for allowing the help of disbelievers against other disbelievers - a perfectly legitimate Shar'i ruling - but Qaradawi is respected while he encouraged Muslims to help the disbelievers fight other Muslims (http://www.unc.edu/%7Ekurzman/Qaradawi_et_al.htm)?

good question.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Oh no! The "Jawa Report" is onto brother Yousef for supporting Abdullah al-Faisal: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191444.php

[C47]

i see..alot of faisal supporters here.....

[Umm]

Oh no! The "Jawa Report" is onto brother Yousef for supporting Abdullah al-Faisal: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191444.php

What losers. So "Al-Qaeda" raises funds via the net from forum users?!:rolleyes:

[Abu Nusaybah]

Bismillah.

As salaamu alaykum.
A question that's been bugging me:

How is it that Ibn Baz can be a kafir for allowing the help of disbelievers against other disbelievers - a perfectly legitimate Shar'i ruling - but Qaradawi is respected while he encouraged Muslims to help the disbelievers fight other Muslims (http://www.unc.edu/%7Ekurzman/Qaradawi_et_al.htm)?
My take on this is, is that many people let their hatred of the Fake Salafi's aka Sa'udi Salafi's aka Talafi's aka Madkhali's (or whatever other names they go by) get the better of them. It leads them to conclude that any and every Shaykh whom the Fake Salafi's "claim" to respect and follow are by default - dodgy, palace $cholar$ for Dollar$. Hence, as al-Qaradawi is not someone who is respected and followed by the Fake Salafi's, his misguidance is automatically overlooked by some.

Allah (ta'ala) knows best.

Wa salaam.

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

Akhie yusuf are you not aware of Qardawis public fatwa for allowing american muslims to join the US army to go and fight muslims abroad.

I try not to comment on people of knowledge but Qardawi has come out with some ridiculous stuff that even a laymen can spot.

[Noorah]

Scholars for dollars refers to government scholars whose fatwas are bought and paid for. I hardly think Faisal can be accused of that!
im sure those who label such scholars with a name have no information on their payrolls and if they get money for issuing a fatwa. they do their jobs, take money for their jobs and are labelled...

When did I say that?
you didnt, but its the same logic with the scholars then isnt it. they are just taking money so the americans dont get it LOL

[Umm]

im sure those who label such scholars with a name have no information on their payrolls and if they get money for issuing a fatwa. they do their jobs, take money for their jobs and are labelled...


Take it in the context of the hadith about being aware of the scholar who sits at the gate of the ruler.

[Ibn saif-Allaah]

Asalam 3leikoum wr wb,

The shaikh ONLY took back what he said about Bin Baz based on a account by a noteworth source that Bin Baz made taubah on his death bed. You can find the shaikhs lectures on our website http://www.revolutionmuslim.com and we have 2 new dvds coming anyday now from Shaikh Faisel inshallah. His new video is just as good as his old audios.

Fiamanillah

Asalaamu' Alaykum

Akhee could you please provide some statements from Abdullah Faysal himself in which he states clearly his Takfeer on Ibn Baaz and Abu Usamah etc. You say that he has taken back the takfeer of Ibn Baaz but that is not what it states on the Tibyaan forum. They are themselves confused about this issue. So please...an email or audio statement from Abdullah faysal himself. Iv said this before aswell...."it doesnt take long to do this, just write an email or do an audio and let the world know"

Wasalaamu' Alaykum

[anam]

lool

tibyan and ummah forums are considered terrorist forums...i saw this on one of those jewish sites that monitor ''radicals'' :D

[Abu Ikrimah]

Take it in the context of the hadith about being aware of the scholar who sits at the gate of the ruler.

Which hadeeth is that, then?

[waziri]

Which hadeeth is that, then?

Abdullaah Ibn ‘ Abbaas said that Allaah’s Messenger ( sallallaahu ‘ alayhi wa sallam ) said, “There shall be rulers whom you will recognize from them good and evil. Whoever opposes them is saved. Whoever abandons them is freed. And whoever intermingles with them is destroyed.” (Collected by Ibn Abee Shaybah and at- Tabaraanee ; al- Albaanee authenticated it in “ Saheeh al- Jaami ’”, hadeeth #3661).




Abul-A’war as- Sulamee said that Allaah’s Messenger ( sallallaahu ‘ alayhi wa sallam ) said, “Be wary of the ruler’s gates; for there, there is difficulty and humiliation.” (Collected by ad- Daylamee and at- Tabaraanee ; al- Albaanee authenticated it in “as- Silsilah as- Saheehah ”, hadeeth #1253).

Aboo Hurayrah said that Allaah’s Messenger ( sallallaahu ‘ alayhi wa sallam ) said, “Whoever approaches the ruler’s gates becomes afflicted. Whenever a slave draws closer to the ruler, he only gains distance from Allaah .” (Collected by Ahmad; al- Albaanee authenticated it in “ Saheeh at- Targheeb wat-Tarheeb ”, hadeeth #2241. A similar narration, save the last sentence, is reported from Ibn ‘ Abbaas ; al- Albaanee authenticated it in “ Saheeh at- Targheeb wat-Tarheeb ”, hadeeth #2242).

Jaabir Ibn ‘ Abdillaah said that Allaah’s Messenger ( sallallaahu ‘ alayhi wa sallam ) said to Ka’b Ibn ‘ Ujrah , “O Ka’b Ibn ‘ Ujrah , I seek Allaah’s protection for you from the leadership of fools. There shall be rulers, whoever enters upon them, then aids them in their oppression and validates their lies, then he is not from me nor I from him, and he shall not be admitted to the Hawd . Whoever does not enter upon them, and does not aid them in their oppression, nor validates their lies, then he is from me and I from him, and he shall be admitted to the Hawd .” (Collected by Ahmad, al- Bazzaar , and Ibn Hibbaan ; al- Albaanee authenticated it in “ Saheeh at- Targheeb wat-Tarheeb ”, hadeeth #2243. Similar narrations are reported from an- Nu’man Ibn Basheer , ‘ Abdillaah Ibn Khabbaab (from his father), Abee Sa’eed al- Khudree , and Ka’b Ibn ‘ Ujrah ; Al- Albaanee authenticated these other narrations in “ Saheeh at- Targheeb wat-Tarheeb ”, ahaadeeth #2243-2246).


Ibn Mas’ood also said, “A man enters upon the ruler, carrying his religion with him, then exits without anything with him.”.

Al-Bukhaaree in his “Taareekh” and Ibn Sa’d in “at-Tabaqaat”





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[Yousef al Khattab]

Asalaamu' Alaykum

Akhee could you please provide some statements from Abdullah Faysal himself in which he states clearly his Takfeer on Ibn Baaz and Abu Usamah etc. You say that he has taken back the takfeer of Ibn Baaz but that is not what it states on the Tibyaan forum. They are themselves confused about this issue. So please...an email or audio statement from Abdullah faysal himself. Iv said this before aswell...."it doesnt take long to do this, just write an email or do an audio and let the world know"

Wasalaamu' Alaykum

He said this to us on the phone but inshallah we will add it on the next question and answer session. He was very clear on the issue. His opinion on Abu Usama are te same. BTW I heard Abu Ghazi al Baghdai (that was his old paltalk kunya in 2004-2005 SMOKE abu usama in a debate on paltalk. I tink that bro was from Tibyan.

[Logic lover]

Brother Faisal's general takfir on the entire groups:

Side B of the tape 'Towards Liberting the Holy Lands'' :

''the regime (Saudi) is a kafir regime and the army who support the regime is a kafir army and the scholars who support the regime are kafirs and the Salafis who support the scholars, they are also kafirs and if you waiver in regards to one of these, you are a Murji.. you are not of Ahlus Sunnah,, the evidence for this can be found in (surah) Baqarah 166...'' Unquote.

The evidence he provides does not support his statement. He also lies about Allah in

Side B of tape ''Devils Deception of Murjia''

''Allah Taala said in Baqarah 166 - 'I shall dump the sheikhs and all of his followers in hellfire together'' unquote.

Of course, no such statement is found in Quran 2:166.

If brother Faisal has not taken back his above quoted statements, he needs serious help in these regards.

Allah knows best.

[Yasir]

The evidence he provides does not support his statement. He also lies about Allah in Side B of tape ''Devils Deception of Murjia''

''Allah Taala said in Baqarah 166 - 'I shall dump the sheikhs and all of his followers in hellfire together'' unquote.

Of course, no such statement is found in Quran 2:166.If he said that then that is tahreef of the Qur’an. Incidentally, the muharrifeen have their historical salaf:

…فويل للذين يكتبون الكتاب بأيديهم ثم يقولون هذا من عند الله

[Yousef al Khattab]

Brother Faisal's general takfir on the entire groups:


Side B of the tape 'Towards Liberting the Holy Lands'' :

''the regime (Saudi) is a kafir regime and the army who support the regime is a kafir army and the scholars who support the regime are kafirs and the Salafis who support the scholars, they are also kafirs and if you waiver in regards to one of these, you are a Murji.. you are not of Ahlus Sunnah,, the evidence for this can be found in (surah) Baqarah 166...'' Unquote.

The evidence he provides does not support his statement. He also lies about Allah in

Side B of tape ''Devils Deception of Murjia''

''Allah Taala said in Baqarah 166 - 'I shall dump the sheikhs and all of his followers in hellfire together'' unquote.

Of course, no such statement is found in Quran 2:166.

If brother Faisal has not taken back his above quoted statements, he needs serious help in these regards.

Allah knows best.

Before you start saying 'the shaikh lies about Allah"
in Surat al Baqra ayah 166 understand that the translation of the meaning of the Holy Qur'an is not Qur'an. Using your logic then the entire translation almost of Muhsin/Khan is a lie because it is not the literal tarjim but the understanding of the ayah using classical tafsir. Now let us look at that ayah:

* تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn

{ إِذْ تَبَرَّأَ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتُّبِعُواْ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُواْ وَرَأَوُاْ ٱلْعَذَابَ وَتَقَطَّعَتْ بِهِمُ ٱلأَسْبَابُ }

When (idh here substitutes for the previous idh) those who were followed, that is, the leaders, disown their followers, that is to say, [when] they have denied misleading them [the latter], and they have seen the chastisement, and the cords, the bonds of affection and kinship that were between them on earth, are cut away before them, from them (taqatta‘at, ‘cut away’, is a supplement to tabarra’a, ‘disown’).

* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

{ إِذْ تَبَرَّأَ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتُّبِعُواْ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّبَعُواْ وَرَأَوُاْ ٱلْعَذَابَ وَتَقَطَّعَتْ بِهِمُ ٱلأَسْبَابُ }

(When those who were followed) the leaders (disown those who followed (them)) the lowly among people, (and they behold) both the leaders and the lowly (the doom) in the Hereafter, (and all their aims) the pledges and congeniality that were between them in this world (collapse with them).

[Hamza]

Brother Hajjaj, why is br Yusuf being called "Joseph" and br Faisal being called "Trevor"? They have Muslim names.

Thats right, i find that extremely offensive.

Sh. Faysal should slap this "Hajjaj" and repeat continuously:

WHATS MY NAME?


Slaps continue until idiot backs down!

[Logic lover]

Al-Khattab wrote:

''Before you start saying 'the shaikh lies about Allah"
in Surat al Baqra ayah 166 understand that the translation of the meaning of the Holy Qur'an is not Qur'an. Using your logic then the entire translation almost of Muhsin/Khan is a lie because it is not the literal tarjim but the understanding of the ayah using classical tafsir.''

Reply:

Brother Faisal was translating the meaning of the words of Allah in 2:166. His translation of the meaning does not support his statement. Do you not agree?

If one waivers about calling the 'Salafis' (who support the scholars supporting the Saudi regime) as kafirs - does that make one Murji (or liberal) according to Quran 2:166 as claimed by brother Faisal?

Translations of the meanings of the Quran must not distort the most apparent meaning of the words of Allah, in addition it may require the understanding of the Salaf and reputable scholars. Brother Faisal seems to have not done any of that. The entire translation of Muhsin Khan is not lie and I am not implying as such about any other acceptable translation of the meaning.