Most Muslims 'desire democracy'

[Hamza]

The largest survey to date of Muslims worldwide suggests the vast majority want Western democracy and freedoms, but do not want them to be imposed.

The poll by Gallup of more than 50,000 Muslims in 35 nations found most wanted the West to instead focus on changing its negative view of Muslims and Islam.

The huge survey began following the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US. The overwhelming majority of those asked condemned them and subsequent attacks, citing religious reasons.

The poll, which claims to represent the views of 90% the world's 1.3 billion Muslims, is to be published next month as part of a book entitled Who Speaks For Islam? What A Billion Muslims Really Think.

Continued here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7267100.stm):

[Abu Ma'mar]

50,000 muslims? lol and that lets them say " Most muslims" ?

This is more propoganda to put out when they plan their attacks on other Muslim country's.

[AbuQudama]

if they want democracy then their not muslims are they? *scratches head*

[Brother_Mujahid]

These types of polls are misleading. I would venture to state that many of those who want "democracy" mean that they want free elections and an accountable government vs. the dictatorships that they have now. I doubt that when most Muslims think of democracy they are thinking of liberal and secular system of government.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Some links which reference the concept I was speaking of:

Democracy, Secularism and Muslim Misconceptions
http://austrolabe.com/2006/06/10/democracy-secularism-and-muslim-misconceptions/

Islam and Democracy: Contention 1
http://austrolabe.com/2006/05/31/islam-and-democracy-contention-1/

Shoora and Democracy: A Conceptual Analysis
http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=1362

[Hamza]

Yes i cant blame people for preferring to vote rather than live under Mubarak, Gaddafi or Musharraf.

[hussain]

The largest survey to date of Muslims worldwide suggests the vast majority want Western democracy and freedoms

Whoever said that a "majority" was right? Only the kuffaar in their arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.

"One of the foremost principles of Al-Jahiliyah was that they were deceived by following the majority, using that majority as proof of the correctness of their view." Shaykh Muhammad Abdul Wahhaab: Masaail-ul-Jahiliyah

[sunnih]

I guess we in this forum are from the minute minority then. Lol.

[nomad]

I think that most muslims would prefer democracy over shariah, especially if that would mean sacrificing their 50" widescreen, and internet connection, and the shopping malls, and countless other fitnas that have been imposed upon the whole world that create corruption.

[Abu Ma'mar]

I think that most muslims would prefer democracy over shariah, especially if that would mean sacrificing their 50" widescreen, and internet connection, and the shopping malls, and countless other fitnas that have been imposed upon the whole world that create corruption.


There is nothing wrong with any of those things you mentioned.

Islam is not all frowns and rainy days.

Nothing wrong with watching something good on a quality 50" Tv or using the internet etc.

[Hajjaj]

Yes i cant blame people for preferring to vote rather than live under Mubarak, Gaddafi or Musharraf.

These leaders did not land in the Muslim countries by flying saucer and take them over. They came from the Muslims themselves. Change for the Muslim must come from the people them selves not from the leadership. They can vote till the cows come home but the guy they vote in will be a Mubarak, Gaddafi or Musharraf.

That is so because Allâh will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their ownselves. And verily, Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower. (Al-Anfal 8:53)

The Muslims were graced with good leadership in the pass when they were closer too those blessed generations(the Salaf). Until the Muslim rectify themselves through the methodology of Tasfiyah (purification and correction) and Tarbiyah (nurturing: education and cultivation) they will always be blessed with this sort of leadership.

[Abu Nusaybah]

Bismillah.
I think that most muslims would prefer democracy over shariah, especially if that would mean sacrificing their 50" widescreen, and internet connection, and the shopping malls, and countless other fitnas that have been imposed upon the whole world that create corruption.
As salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah.

I fear that you are probably right ukhti. However, maybe it has more to do with ignorance than attachment to worldly distractions.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

wa salaam.

[Salsabil]

These leaders did not land in the Muslim countries by flying saucer and take them over. They came from the Muslims themselves. Change for the Muslim must come from the people them selves not from the leadership. They can vote till the cows come home but the guy they vote in will be a Mubarak, Gaddafi or Musharraf.

That is so because Allâh will never change a grace which He has bestowed on a people until they change what is in their ownselves. And verily, Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower. (Al-Anfal 8:53)

The Muslims were graced with good leadership in the pass when they were closer too those blessed generations(the Salaf). Until the Muslim rectify themselves through the methodology of Tasfiyah (purification and correction) and Tarbiyah (nurturing: education and cultivation) they will always be blessed with this sort of leadership.

Alhamdulillah, Muslims have great leadership! Leadership that is of the character of sahaba (ra), mashaAllah! And indeed, they are following the ayat that you cited, alhamdulillah! As for those who have wiped out sharia of Allah, and become policemen for kuffar against muwahedeen, then its at least doubtful if they are Muslim leaders. And the problem is, that some people who ascribe themselves to true Islam, divert resources from fard ayn to fard kifaya, thereby making ineffective the striving of sincere muslim leaders and their sincere followers. Muwahedeen are a minority probably in most societies, but so are munafiqeen that usurped the power in most Muslim countries. There is a battle between pro-active believers and pro-active munafiqs in every society, and the majority of people follow any of the group that wins. The munafiqeen are supported by other munafiqeen and kuffar, while muwahedeen too are supported by muwahedeen from other societies. And the ones calling to peace in this epic struggle, should have got ta'zir from the ruler in an islamic state, imo! And Allah knows best!

[nomad]

There is nothing wrong with any of those things you mentioned.

Islam is not all frowns and rainy days.

Nothing wrong with watching something good on a quality 50" Tv or using the internet etc.

Assalamu alaykum,

If true shariah was implimented that means that the khalifah would have to protect his subjects from all fitnas that are illegal, for example the internet and satellite etc. Here in the kingdom, where supposedly shariah is implemented, the shopping malls are bulging at the sides with fitna. The shops have models, without heads, as that would be unislamic, with all the shape of a woman, draped in what could be described as egyptian belly dancing competions costumes, in which the saud, or non saudi woman adorn themselves, apparently only once, as one cant wear the same dress twice, to day parties, off course female only. The models are in contorted positions as if dancing, and this has been known to arouse the passions of many ex pat workers who for some strange reason are thought to be without human needs, as they are not allow to marry or sponser a wife to enter the kingdom. Strange that isnt it, i never heard of a saudi being able to survive without his wife for 2 years, but drivers and cleaners can? Anyway i could rant on for the whole boards capacity about the ways and errors of this country.

If someone committed adultery but the khalifah allowed internet, and so access to the less desirable sites, who should be given the hadd?

[suhail]

Why is internet and sattelite illegal. I mean what has satellite done it is a piece of equipment and can be used for various things. What is illegal with internet if you can block the sites which are dirty in contents.

[suhail]

And brother nomad saudi is not a model of Islamic rule so why dont we just leave that topic off.

[Magoo]

And brother nomad saudi is not a model of Islamic rule so why dont we just leave that topic off.

if i remember correctly nomad is a sister

[suhail]

I am sorry about that.

[nomad]

Why is internet and sattelite illegal. I mean what has satellite done it is a piece of equipment and can be used for various things. What is illegal with internet if you can block the sites which are dirty in contents.

Are you for real.

are you living in this time period???????

And that is not all either, the khalifah would have a responsibilty to the planet too, so the over polution caused by over guzzling 4x4, industries that polute the rivers and atmospheres, fairly paid wages to workers, the whole school system would have to revamped from the start, unless of course the new khalifah would like to be responsible for teaching our kids about Richard the lion heart etc. Come to think of it, we are so deeply entrenched in the ways of the kuffar, that to have a shariah run state with a khalifah, would either mean total break down in society to build up again, and that would mean years of sacrifice, of which i am saying that not many muslims would be willing to partake in, or the khalifah wouldnt want to assume responsiblilty of the head of state, as he would be somewhat responsible for all of these flaws happening under his leadership.

what do hizb tahrir suggest, apart from protest?

[suhail]

I asked you a question that why is Internet and Satellite wrong and should not be used while you have nothing to answer but to insult me. I mean u want a discussion or just want us to accept whatever u propose. I mean if u want to carry out more of personal insults than i would rather not discuss.