To You All- ESPECIALLY THE SAUDI SALAFIS

[Ibn abd]

Brothers this is a letter from one of the sisters in the prisons of Iraq under the gaurds of Dogs. This is what the sick Saudi so called Ulema are telling us; not to help the sisters in Iraq and where ever the enemies of Allah(swt) are.
Read the letter and make your own minds up, is helping your sisters worse then listening to them Dogs who tell us its better to stay behind and then use a stupid excuse like 'u hav no pemmision from your leaders'(fahd and the likes of). they do not speak for me and nor do they speak for those who have an ounce of mercy in them.
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Letter: My brothers, the mujahidoon for the sake of Allah, what shall we, your sisters in Abu Ghureib prison tell you? We have been attacked by the sons of apes and pigs. They tore up our Korans, disfigured our bodies, and humiliated us. What have you heard about what we see here every day? By Allah, one of us was raped several times in one day by those apes and pigs.

Are you really unaware of what is happening to us? There are 13 women with me in prison, all unmarried. They are raped for all to see and hear. They prevented us from wearing clothes and from praying. One committed suicide after she was raped by an American dog, and then severely tortured. She began to bang her head against the wall until she died.

I, Fatma, your sister in faith, say to you: Remain faithful to Allah. Leave their tanks and planes, come to us in Abu Ghureib prison, and kill us along with them. Destroy us along with them. Don't leave us to them. Kill us along with them, and then maybe we will have peace.

Fatma

Friday, December 14, 2004

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Please show support for your family in Islam and stop listening and obeying the Saudi so-called Ulema, who give fatawah in favour of the Enemies of Islam, who butcher our brothers and rape our sisters. They are not worthey of being called Ulema. Calling them Dogs is far too much of a compliment When will u learn!

[Yasir]

This is what the sick Saudi so called Ulema are telling us; not to help the sisters in Iraq and where ever the enemies of Allah(swt) are.Well given that you don’t listen to them anyway, I guess we’d be correct in assuming you’ve no doubt already helped her and countless others? Or are you just here to express all that you won’t do yourself?

[Hajjaj]

Brothers this is a letter from one of the sisters in the prisons of Iraq under the gaurds of Dogs. This is what the sick Saudi so called Ulema are telling us; not to help the sisters in Iraq and where ever the enemies of Allah(swt) are.
Read the letter and make your own minds up, is helping your sisters worse then listening to them Dogs who tell us its better to stay behind and then use a stupid excuse like 'u hav no pemmision from your leaders'(fahd and the likes of). they do not speak for me and nor do they speak for those who have an ounce of mercy in them.
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Letter: My brothers, the mujahidoon for the sake of Allah, what shall we, your sisters in Abu Ghureib prison tell you? We have been attacked by the sons of apes and pigs. They tore up our Korans, disfigured our bodies, and humiliated us. What have you heard about what we see here every day? By Allah, one of us was raped several times in one day by those apes and pigs.

Are you really unaware of what is happening to us? There are 13 women with me in prison, all unmarried. They are raped for all to see and hear. They prevented us from wearing clothes and from praying. One committed suicide after she was raped by an American dog, and then severely tortured. She began to bang her head against the wall until she died.

I, Fatma, your sister in faith, say to you: Remain faithful to Allah. Leave their tanks and planes, come to us in Abu Ghureib prison, and kill us along with them. Destroy us along with them. Don't leave us to them. Kill us along with them, and then maybe we will have peace.

Fatma

Friday, December 14, 2004

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Please show support for your family in Islam and stop listening and obeying the Saudi so-called Ulema, who give fatawah in favour of the Enemies of Islam, who butcher our brothers and rape our sisters. They are not worthey of being called Ulema. Calling them Dogs is far too much of a compliment When will u learn!

Where have you been? Did you just discover the internet? This is probably one of the most anti Saudi Ulema forums there is. Welcome to the club.

[Ibn abd]

Well given that you don’t listen to them anyway, I guess we’d be correct in assuming you’ve no doubt already helped her and countless others? Or are you just here to express all that you won’t do yourself?
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the point that im trying to make is that the saudi scholars are giving us the wrong fatawah and we need to understand this. weather im helping or not is not the point. the reason why im writing this is to let people know that the saudi scholars are on a corrupt, illegitemet talafi govenment payrol and we need to go to authentic sources that will help the ummah in its victory.

[al-Athari]

Brothers this is a letter from one of the sisters in the prisons of Iraq under the gaurds of Dogs. This is what the sick Saudi so called Ulema are telling us; not to help the sisters in Iraq and where ever the enemies of Allah(swt) are.
Read the letter and make your own minds up, is helping your sisters worse then listening to them Dogs who tell us its better to stay behind and then use a stupid excuse like 'u hav no pemmision from your leaders'(fahd and the likes of). they do not speak for me and nor do they speak for those who have an ounce of mercy in them.
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Letter: My brothers, the mujahidoon for the sake of Allah, what shall we, your sisters in Abu Ghureib prison tell you? We have been attacked by the sons of apes and pigs. They tore up our Korans, disfigured our bodies, and humiliated us. What have you heard about what we see here every day? By Allah, one of us was raped several times in one day by those apes and pigs.

Are you really unaware of what is happening to us? There are 13 women with me in prison, all unmarried. They are raped for all to see and hear. They prevented us from wearing clothes and from praying. One committed suicide after she was raped by an American dog, and then severely tortured. She began to bang her head against the wall until she died.

I, Fatma, your sister in faith, say to you: Remain faithful to Allah. Leave their tanks and planes, come to us in Abu Ghureib prison, and kill us along with them. Destroy us along with them. Don't leave us to them. Kill us along with them, and then maybe we will have peace.

Fatma

Friday, December 14, 2004

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Please show support for your family in Islam and stop listening and obeying the Saudi so-called Ulema, who give fatawah in favour of the Enemies of Islam, who butcher our brothers and rape our sisters. They are not worthey of being called Ulema. Calling them Dogs is far too much of a compliment When will u learn!

Akhee this letter is so oooooold. And please tell us which 'Saudi Ulema' are the ones who are telling us to not help any Muslim that is in need?

[Brother_Mujahid]

What Saudi scholars are we talking about?

We have the 26 scholars (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud/etc/fatwa.html) who gave a fatwa in favor of the Iraqi resistance, including such scholarly luminaries as Sh. Salman al-'Awdah, Sh. Safar al-Hawali, Sh. 'Aid al-Qarni, Sh. Nasir al-'Umar, Sh. 'Awadh al-Qarni, Sh. Muhammad Sa'ad al-Qahtani, and many others.

We have Sh. Salih al-Luhaydan (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7645118/) supporting the jihad resistance in Iraq.

Sh. Abdul-Aziz al-Fawzan has spoke in support (http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP106906) of jihad resistance in Iraq.

I could go on and on. The views of al-Ubaykan or 'Abdul-Aziz Aal ash-Shaikh are not representative of entirety of religious opinion among the scholars in Saudi Arabia.

[Um Abdullah M.]

the point that im trying to make is that the saudi scholars are giving us the wrong fatawah and we need to understand this. weather im helping or not is not the point. the reason why im writing this is to let people know that the saudi scholars are on a corrupt, illegitemet talafi govenment payrol and we need to go to authentic sources that will help the ummah in its victory.

the fatwa was directed to Saudi youth who do not know much about the different groups in Iraq, so if ur not Saudi, then it is not directed to you.

we don't want more Saudi youth to be corrupted with ur sick and criminal ideology that calls to kill Muslims here in KSA.

we already have enough problems in this country.

[Ibn abd]

no point in these forums all i seem to be communicating with is hardcore BLIND FOLLOWERS of the Saudi Regime. May Allah guide us all and protect us all.

[Um Abdullah M.]

I could go on and on. The views of al-Ubaykan or 'Abdul-Aziz Aal ash-Shaikh are not representative of entirety of religious opinion among the scholars in Saudi Arabia.

please do not speak about a person without knowing exactly what he has said.

the media does a lot of injustice to many Muslims, including scholars.

I read the Mufti's (Abdul Aziz Aal ash Shaykh) fatwa myself, the whole fatwa in Arabic, and the media just chopped it up, took a few excerpts, so whoever reads those few excerpts they think he is against jihad in Iraq, or fighting the occupier, which is false.

He is only warning SAUDI youth not to go when they do not have knowledge about the group they are joining there, there are many groups in Iraq, not just one.

please go back to my topic where I translated part of his khutbah which explains what he is talking about, he did not speak against the jihad in Iraq itself, nor against the mujahideen whom are there fighting the kuffar.

[Brother_Mujahid]

please do not speak about a person without knowing exactly what he has said.

Please sister, do not get emotional. I did not attack the mufti, nor do I have any intention to do so. That being noted, an objective person cannot deny that his commentary on Iraq is quite different that the aforementioned individuals.

[Um Abdullah M.]

and how was it different?



have you actually read his whole fatwa?
and was the translator a trustworthy person?

I am not defending blindly, I read the fatwa myself, I didn't just take the few excerpts posted in media.

[Mustafa al-Muhaajir]

we don't want more Saudi youth to be corrupted with ur sick and criminal ideology that calls to kill Muslims here in KSA.

we already have enough problems in this country.Fear Allah and be just.

First of all, this is addressing the Jihad in Iraq not the Arabian Peninsula.
Second, no one from among the mujahidin and their supporters has called for the killing of Muslims in Bilad al-Haramayn.
But, you are right -- there are some calling for the killing of Muslims.
You mighta seen the various most wanted lists.

[Ibn abd]

you guys still argue with the ones who have the same opinion as you, so what, does a person who shares a different view, have any chance with you guys. brothers and sisters i dont see no muslim-like manners on this forum. Fear Allah and make dua for your brothers and sisters wheather u agree with their opinion or not, as long as they claim they are muslim and are the people of sunnah and the way of the sahabas.
DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH ME ON THAT?
i now understand why ulema dont waste their time on forums like this, U GET NOWHERE!

[Brother_Mujahid]

and how was it different?



have you actually read his whole fatwa?
and was the translator a trustworthy person?

I am not defending blindly, I read the fatwa myself, I didn't just take the few excerpts posted in media.

I assume you are referring to this thread (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=9272)? If so, then yes, I read it when you first posted it and it only confirms my original assertions. Please compare his comments with the comments with the other shayukh that I linked to and what I'm saying should be made clear, insha'Allah.

[Um Abdullah M.]

no, that wasn't his fatwa, that was part of a khutbah he gave, but it is part of what he said in his fatwa, not exact words, but same meaning, except fatwa is more detailed.

I don't think the whole fatwa has been translated.

[Um Abdullah M.]

either way, I don't see what is wrong with what he said, it is stupid for a Muslim to go throw himself amongest a group he has no clue about, and I am not speaking about a specific group, but in general.
meaning he should know what group he is joining before he goes, what they call for, what their aqeedah and methodology is, and not just join any group there, since there are many groups there, some correct, and some corrupt.

[Hamza]

meaning he should know what group he is joining before he goes, what they call for, what their aqeedah and methodology is, and not just join any group there, since there are many groups there, some correct, and some corrupt.He should also tie his laces before he leaves...

I cant believe you still defend that garbage from the Mufti.

<!-- / message --><!-- controls --> Please show support for your family in Islam and stop listening and obeying the Saudi so-called Ulema, who give fatawah in favour of the Enemies of Islam, who butcher our brothers and rape our sisters. They are not worthey of being called Ulema. Calling them Dogs is far too much of a compliment When will u learn!

Did you read the threads on this forum? Which Ulema should be obeyed?

[Abu Maysara]

some people are blind in their love for their mufti , even so that they try to deceive others that Al Shaykh did not say what he actually said.
i urge all arabic speaking brothers and Sisters to listen to that shaytanic khutba and whoever does not understand arabic, let someone you trust that speak arabic listen to it and translate it inshAllah and then you can hear it by yourself, he is making takfeer of brothers in Iraq and compare them to disbelivers that fight in the way of Taghout
here is the link to the khutbah :
http://38.100.87.57/2007/07/riyadh0601.rm

these are the so called "scholars" that are murj'a with the leaders (consider them muslims although they have committed several nullifications of Islam, some clear kufr, bawaah,) and they are khwaarij with mujahideen (declaring them non muslims) without any Share'ah proof.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2m3r2th.jpg

[Anikaa]

As-salaamu alaykum

This question may be a bit off topic, but where exactly did that term "Saudi Salafi" come from? Does it even make sense?

[saqqid qutb]

lol.i dont see what the difference is about.we all believe that the saudi regime are apostates(they rule by other than the sharaiah.quran5:44,they have allied themselves with the kuffar over the muslims,quran5:51
eg by giving bases to the americans to attack iraq.they have imprisoned and tortured many muslims,ulema just because they call for the introduction of pure shariah and to rid the disbelievers from the arabian peninsula.(hadith of Prophet Muhammed that no two religions can be in the arabian peninsula)

So when the SO CALLED ulema(whoever it may be) issues fatwas to support the government in there kuffr, we must expose these scholars for dollars, and also expose the haram,fisk,zulum and maybe kufr which they have done to support the kuffr government. i refuse to get into a debate with any brother or sister, because if you cannot see the wrong of these scholars(whoever it may be, eg.saudi,pakistani,kuwati scholars)then you are truly BLIND FOLLOWERS.

AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST

[saqqid qutb]

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i was just trying to be polite.yea aki your right

[Ibn abd]

Br S Qutb well said and i dont think anyone could differ with u but they are mislead and blind following their whims and desires.
the brothers and sisters seem quite intellegient on the website and instead of arguing on issues that HAVE ikhtilaf in them, i think we should put in as much effort in giving Dawah to people and giving Naseeha to their fellow brothers and sisters in islam about Tawheed of Allah(swt) and be a part of the victory that is on the way. and work in trying to build unity amongst the ummah of rasulallah(SAW) wheather you agree with them or not, as long as they claim that they are people of sunnah and the way of the sahabaas.

[Anikaa]

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And who are these so called [edit] It'd be great to know, just who it is that you're talking about.

[Anikaa]

And...i repeat my question:

Where exactly did that term "Saudi Salafi" come from? Does it even make sense?

[AbuUsama]

And who are these so called [edit] It'd be great to know, just who it is that you're talking about.

Refer to the picture brother AbuMaysara provided

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah

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Rules:
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How many does he have to violate to get banned?

[AbuUsama]

Bismillah

Rules:
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How many does he have to violate to get banned?

What are u talking ? Filthy rafidha can insult Umer (ra) and still did not get banned but if i talk about the King and his Monks u wana me to get banned
Or u wana me to stay away so u can fill this forum with Saudi Salafi garbage ?

[Um Abdullah M.]

He should also tie his laces before he leaves...

I cant believe you still defend that garbage from the Mufti.


why don't u answer and say what is wrong with his fatwa

do u believe a Muslim should just go and join any group he meets or is called by without knowing anything about them
even if they r rafidah or hizb ba'th or some other kafir or corrupt groups dicuised as mujahideen?

jihad is deen , it is not a game

one should know whom he is fighting with, or do u disagree?

[Abandoned-Mind]

It is defense.

I am sure Ibn Taymiyyah probably ignored a similar fatwah once upon a time.

[Hamza]

It is obligatory to fight with any Muslim people as long as they are Muslims. It does not matter how bad or corrupted they are as long as they are fighting the Kuffar, People of the Book or Atheists.

Imam A. Azzam



You see why we love him him? and how dearly he is missed. what a man

[AbuUsama]

Bismillah

Rules:
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How many does he have to violate to get banned?




Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah says

“A scholar who abandons what has learnt from the Qur’an and the Sunnah and follows a ruler who does not rule in accordance with the teaching of Allah, subhanahu wa-ta’ala, and His Messenger, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is an apostate and a disbeliever who deserves punishment in this world and in the hereafter.” –”Al-Fataawa”, Vol. 35/373.


So What Proof you want More ?

[Um Abdullah M.]

You see why we love him him? and how dearly he is missed. what a man

what if the group is a kafir group (i.e. ba'thi or some other kafir group) or a rafidi group pretending to be mujahideen of sunnah, both using sunni youth for their own evil agenda without the youth knowing that ?
ones who are fighting in way of shaytan.

notice in my posts I gave example of ba'thi and rafidi groups as examples, not ash'aris, or sufis or some other less deviant groups.

[AbuUsama]

what if the group is a kafir group (i.e. ba'thi or some other kafir group) or a rafidi group pretending to be mujahideen of sunnah, both using sunni youth for their own evil agenda without the youth knowing that ?
ones who are fighting in way of shaytan.

notice in my posts I gave example of ba'thi and rafidi groups as examples, not ash'aris, or sufis or some other less deviant groups.

Do not make me laugh, brothers who are going out for jihad are not kids, most of them are well learned besides they know each other

[Abu Maysara]

do u believe a Muslim should just go and join any group he meets or is called by without knowing anything about them
even if they r rafidah or hizb ba'th or some other kafir or corrupt groups dicuised as mujahideen?


well, this so called "muft" is misinformed , i can tell you all that much, to those that admires his knowledge.
the secular groups are known to everyone and the mujahideen are known to everyone, brothers that are inside Iraq reports to the world, they have membership on forums, the join chat rooms, any mean to spread the truth that your beloved regime is trying to conceal. you see the youths are being connected to the world via the net, they woke up after being put to sleep for so long by the regime and its helpers.
i am not surprised by the mentality that you have, quite similar to many that have been exposed to the Salouli poision. i have been into discussions with others that have been on the "dark side", after some explanation and of course they had an open mind,not tunnelvision, they understand the filth of the regime and its helpers who really are "puppet scholars" in a "puppet kibaar al ulama institution" tailor made to issue decrees for this regime to have an apparent support amongst "the people of knowledge" so that the population does not question the legality of the regime.

[Um Abdullah M.]

yah right

every single Saudi knows about every single group in Iraq and every single member in those groups.

where do u live? on the moon?
we can't even be sure who is real supporter of jihad on internet and who is a spy let alone in people in real life in a country that is known for fitan, different sects, and political groups.

[Umm Ahmed]

What are u talking ? Filthy rafidha can insult Umer (ra) and still did not get banned but if i talk about the King and his Monks u wana me to get banned
Or u wana me to stay away so u can fill this forum with Saudi Salafi garbage ?

Who are saudi salafis here ? I could count on one hand the number of people who are in Saudi, and I think there would be one or two fingers left.

[AbuUsama]

yah right

every single Saudi knows about every single group in Iraq and every single member in those groups.

where do u live? on the moon?
we can't even be sure who is real supporter of jihad on internet and who is a spy let alone in people in real life in a country that is known for fitan, different sects, and political groups.

What I can't understand is Why you are sooooo worried about the brothers who are going feesabeelillah. This is not the point if you really want to defend your So-called Mufti rather just come out and speak openly
No you can't because Allah(swt) defends the Mujahidoon not the Taghoot and their supporters who altered What Allah(swt) revealed , Who judge with Man-Made Laws
May Allah(swt) humiliate the Taghoot and their Supporters

[Um Abdullah M.]

What I can't understand is Why you are sooooo worried about the brothers who are going feesabeelillah. This is not the point if you really want to defend your So-called Mufti rather just come out and speak openly
No you can't because Allah(swt) defends the Mujahidoon not the Taghoot and their supporters who altered What Allah(swt) revealed , Who judge with Man-Made Laws
May Allah(swt) humiliate the Taghoot and their Supporters

why are you avoiding the question.

you seem so positive that his fatwa is wrong and evil, so please show us the points that you believe are wrong, and why they are wrong.

makes me wonder if you actually read the whole fatwa, and not just part of it that was mentioned in the media.

[Hamza]

what if the group is a kafir group (i.e. ba'thi or some other kafir group) or a rafidi group pretending to be mujahideen of sunnah, both using sunni youth for their own evil agenda without the youth knowing that ?

Sis im sure everyone would agree with this...

[Nooristan]

Who are saudi salafis here ? I could count on one hand the number of people who are in Saudi, and I think there would be one or two fingers left.

Good point,jzk,note;I am neither a Saudi or a salafy........

wa salamolaikom wr wb...............

[al-Athari]

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah says

“A scholar who abandons what has learnt from the Qur’an and the Sunnah and follows a ruler who does not rule in accordance with the teaching of Allah, subhanahu wa-ta’ala, and His Messenger, salla Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, is an apostate and a disbeliever who deserves punishment in this world and in the hereafter.” –”Al-Fataawa”, Vol. 35/373.


So What Proof you want More ?

Akhee you can't take the saying of Shayhk al-Islam as proof that Imaam Ibn Baz or Shayhk Abdul'Azeez Aal ash-Shayhk or any of the mufti's to come are apostates. We respect his opinion and we are no one to criticize it, but shall I not remind you of the saying of Imaam Malik?

[Ahmad ibn Philip]

This whole debate is difficult simply because there are a lot of issues at hand. 2/3 of the country is Shi'a, the other third is Sunni, you have a lot of different ethnic groups there and a whole bunch of other political issues. This isn't as easy as 1, 2, 3. I respect Shaykh Luhaydan's approach but I also respect Shaykh Abdul Aziz ali Shaykh's as well. I think there needs to be a middle ground where this is all concerned, and this can only happen if another country, united upon Islam, makes such an effort. Not bands of 20-30 fighters who think they're going for a legit cause and can't differentiate between a Sunni/Shi'a, a Kurd/Iraqi, Ahlu'Sunnah/Ahlu'bid'ah, Muslim/Christian, etc, etc. The entire problems lies in the hands of our own lands, our own governments. Now what should be done where that is concerned? Allahu'alim. Debates like this will never end, the situation is much more complexed than it was centuries ago and no one is willing to compromise. I think we should consider the Imam, the Faqeeh, Ibn Qudaamah al Maqdisee Rahimahullah who fought alongside Salahudeen Ayoobee despite Salahudeen being an Ashari. And even after that, Ibn Qudaamah Rahimahullah refuted their creed. So where the question of aqeedah lies, one has to ask himself, is that the greatest issue at hand? More so than the lives of our brother/sisters being lost? What good is teaching the correct minhaj/creed to a dead Muslim. <Shrugs shoulders>, as usual, I'll continued to be confused about such topics and jsut try to stick to myself. Because we're not getting anywhere with this. I don't think we take ourselves serious. We're online arguing, lol, as funny as that is, we debate about useless matters that's niether helping the da'wah in the Non Muslim lands nor is it helping our brothers/sisters in the Muslim lands. The Ulemma are to be respected but not blindly followed. If you don't wanna take one scholar's fatwa, fine, leave it, and move on. That's all I have to say. I hope I didn't offend anyone. May Allah unite us all.

[al-Athari]

The Ulemma are to be respected but not blindly followed. If you don't wanna take one scholar's fatwa, fine, leave it, and move on. That's all I have to say. I hope I didn't offend anyone. May Allah unite us all.

Jazakallahu Khayrun bro, only if others understood this.

[Anikaa]

I don't know why my question keeps getting ignored:rolleyes: but anyhooooo

[Abu Nusaybah]

Bismillah.
As-salaamu alaykum

This question may be a bit off topic, but where exactly did that term "Saudi Salafi" come from? Does it even make sense?

And...i repeat my question:

Where exactly did that term "Saudi Salafi" come from? Does it even make sense?

I don't know why my question keeps getting ignored:rolleyes: but anyhooooo
As salaamu alaykum.

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm mistaken, but this term was first popularised by Abdullah al-Faysal aka Sheikh Faisal, in the mid '90's, when he gave an "infamous" lecture entitled "The Devil's Deception Of The Saudi Salafi's". He used this term to distinguish this group (better known as Madkhali's) from real Salafi's.

You can probably find this lecture online, although I probably wouldn't listen to it if I were you as it contains some exaggeration, and blanket takfir of everyone at Brixton Masjid.

And Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) knows best.

[Anikaa]

Abu Nusaybah: Jazaa'kumu-Allaahu khayr