Shaikh Muhammed ibn Abdul Wahab Praised Sufism??

[Abdullah Ali al Hanafi]

Salamu Alaikum ,

i found this quote by the son of Shaikh Muhammed bin Abdul Wahab
[ad-Dia'at mukathaffa did ash-shaykh ibn Abdul Wahhab, p. 85] < source of the statement does anyone know the authenticity of this statement??




this statement is used by many sufis , so what is true about this saying??






Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (1115 - 1201 AH.)
"My father Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and I do not deny or criticize the science of Sufism, but on the contrary we support it, because it purifies the external and the internal of the hidden sins, which are related to the heart and to the outward form. Even though the individual might externally be on the right way, internally he might be on the wrong way. Sufism is necessary to correct it."
[ad-Dia'at mukathaffa did ash-shaykh ibn Abdul Wahhab, p. 85]

[Nu7]

Wa 'Alaykum As-Salaam

He is talking about Shari'ah based tasawwuf (f.eks. Zuhd), the type that contains no bid'ah. Even ibn Taymiyyah didn't oppose this type of sufism. Not all sufism is deviation.

You should use the search function brother, or read some of the articles that are on the website.


The Wahaabis - Misconceptions Removed (http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=1207&)

[junaid123]

. Not all sufism is deviation.

I am hearing such sentence first time in this forum.

[Nu7]

Well, from my understanding, Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab, Ibn Taymiyyah etc, didn't oppose tasawwuf (dhikr, Zuhd etc) which is according to the Shari'ah.

Most of the sufism that happens to be around these days is innovation and some of it even constitutes kufr. People here usually condemn neo-sufism, from what I've read.

[Abdullah Ali al Hanafi]

Well, from my understanding, Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab, Ibn Taymiyyah etc, didn't oppose tasawwuf (dhikr, Zuhd etc) which is according to the Shari'ah.

Most of the sufism that happens to be around these days is innovation and some of it even constitutes kufr. People here usually condemn neo-sufism, from what I've read.

one thing i dont understand it the differences amongst the Salafi's when i find people that follow Shuyookh like Shaikh Albani/Bin Baaz , often you will find these people not accepting Tasawwuf , they dont accept this statement from Shaikh Muhammed ibn Abdul Wahab either , then you have the Salafis loyal to ''Dr''.Rabee al Madkhalee < totally deny Tasawwuf aswell ,

can anyone check the references of the Statement by Shaikh ibn Abdul Wahab

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

Ive never heard a satisfying reply to this from Salafis.

Ibn qayyim rahimahullah also said Sufis are from ahlus sunnah in his maadarij salikeen

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

its also alleged that imam dhahabi and imam shawkani were sufis.

[Nu7]

There is a difference between neo-sufism and the tasawwuf of old. I don't know where the confusion lies.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

Then let us be clear. And why is it there is suddenly no such thing as tasawwuf to current day salafi ulama?

[Nu7]

Can you specify which ulema you're referring to, brother?

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

shaykh al albaani rahimahullah shaykh salih al fawzaan rahimahullah

Shaykh rabee ibn hadee al madkhali rahimahullah

[abu hafs]

because sufism and majority of sufis today are charlatans duping the masses,
for proof go to places where people who claim to be sufis have influence and see their creed and actions, It will have nothing to do with the sunnah, and sunnah will be considered bida'h and the bida'h sunnah.

It has been like this for the past few centuries, hence the attack on sufism.

[abu hafs]

http://alsoufia.com/articles.aspx?id=1487&page_id=0&page_size=15&links=False&gate_id=0
http://alsoufia.com/articles.aspx?id=1480&page_id=0&page_size=15&links=False&gate_id=0

[Abdullah Ali al Hanafi]

http://alsoufia.com/articles.aspx?id=1487&page_id=0&page_size=15&links=False&gate_id=0
http://alsoufia.com/articles.aspx?id=1480&page_id=0&page_size=15&links=False&gate_id=0

Ikhwan lets not make a ''general sufi/tasawwuf topic''

we were discussing the views of Shaikh Muhammed ibn Abdul Wahab regarding Tasawwuf , and if the source is reliable , etc but it seems the shaikh made more positive statements.....






Abdullah ibn Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab (1115 - 1201 AH.)
"My father Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and I do not deny or criticize the science of Sufism, but on the contrary we support it, because it purifies the external and the internal of the hidden sins, which are related to the heart and to the outward form. Even though the individual might externally be on the right way, internally he might be on the wrong way. Sufism is necessary to correct it."
[ad-Dia'at mukathaffa did ash-shaykh ibn Abdul Wahhab, p. 85]

[Abu Nusaybah]

Bismillah.
Shaykh rabee ibn hadee al madkhali rahimahullah
Has he passed away, or is this just an error???

wa salaam.

[Abu Nusaybah]

Bismillah.

Alhamdulillah, wa salaatu wa salaam ala Rasulullah.

As salaamu alaykum.

Ahlus Sunnah and Abdullah Ali al-Hanafi, it would perhaps be helpful if you gave a definition of what you mean when talking about Sufism or Tasawwuf. From my own point of view, the instant I hear these terms, I instantly think of Grave Worshipping and Shirk in general, and those people involved in such.

wa salaam.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

It was an error sorry.


Well brother we should perhaps ask what sh muhammad ibn abdul wahab rahimahullah meant when he mentioned tasawwuf. And what ibn qayyim rahimahullah meant when he said amongst ahlus sunnah are the Soofies. And what Imam dhahabi rahimahullah meant when he said he received the sufi cloak. And what Ibn qudamah rahimahullah and his family meant when they associated themselves with sufis and a tariqa.

[Skillganon]

Salaam

I think it is good to keep in mind.

1) The historical context of the word Sufism, i.e. it has different meaning depending on the context, or what the scholar understands from their respective era.

So yes that is why you would find Scholar's

1) severely criticising Sufism.

2) Scholar's who take a Judicial approach like Ibn Taymiyaah and maybe Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab. Where they categorise and criticis and praise the aspects of sufism rather than stroking it with a brad brush.

3) Scholar's that considered Sufism to be Zuhd and Ibadaah and thsu you find praising them. And their is a chance there where scholars thought or believed sufissm is all good.


I personally agree with Ibn Jawzi take on sufism.

Thus, Ibn al-Jawzi states, while listing his objections against Hilyat al-Awliya: “The seventh objection comes against the ascription of Tasawwuf to the senior masters, such as Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, ‘Ali, al-Hasan, Shurayh, Sufyan, Shu’ba, Malik, Shafi’i, Ahmad, whereas they had no knowledge of Tasawwuf. If one were to say: [Abu Nu’aym] meant by that, abstentious worldly life (zuhd), since they were all zuhhad. We say in reply: Tasawwuf is a school well-known amongst its followers, which is not simply restricted to zuhd. Rather, the school has particular qualities and disposition, known to its masters. If Tasawwuf was not something further added to zuhd, there would not have been narrations from some of the aforementioned in condemnation of Tasawwuf. In fact, Abu Nu’aym himself narrated in the biography of al-Shafi’i – may Allah be merciful with him – that he said: ‘Tasawwuf is built upon lethargy. If a person were to practise Tasawwuf in the morning, he would not reach the noon, except that he has become obtuse.’ I discussed Tasawwuf extensively in my book called: Talbis Iblis. (Devil’s Deception)”[30]

[Abdullah Ali al Hanafi]

Bismillah.

Alhamdulillah, wa salaatu wa salaam ala Rasulullah.

As salaamu alaykum.

Ahlus Sunnah and Abdullah Ali al-Hanafi, it would perhaps be helpful if you gave a definition of what you mean when talking about Sufism or Tasawwuf. From my own point of view, the instant I hear these terms, I instantly think of Grave Worshipping and Shirk in general, and those people involved in such.

wa salaam.

this is what i understand when (authentic) Tasawwuf is mentioned:

Imam Nawawi (620 - 676 AH.)
"The specifications of the Way of the Sufis are ... to keep the Presence of Allah in your heart in public and in private; to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) ... to be happy with what Allah gave you..."
[in his Letters, (Maqasid at-tawhid), p. 20]

Jalaluddin as-Suyuti (849 - 911 AH.)
"At-Tasawwuf in itself is the best and most honorable knowledge. It explains how to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (s) and to put aside innovation."

"...some people criticised Sufiyya and Tasawwuf and they said they were innovators, out of the Sunnah, but the truth is they are striving in Allah's obedience [mujtahidin fi ta'at-illahi], as others of Allah's People strove in Allah's obedience. So from them you will find the Foremost in Nearness by virtue of his striving [as-saabiq ul-muqarrab bi hasab ijtihadihi]. And some of them are from the People of the Right hand [Ahl al-Yameen mentioned in Qur'an in Sura Waqi'ah], but slower in their progress.... And this is the origin of Tasawwuf. And after that origin, it has been spread and [tasha'abat wa tanawa'at] has its main line and its branches.
[Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya al-Kubra, Vol. 11, Book of Tasawwuf, p. 497].
[Ta'yid al-Haqiqat al-'Aliyya,p 57]