suggestion: studying rulings of jihad

[Um Abdullah M.]

assalamu alaykum
I have been reading in some issue related to jihad, and I have an interest in learning more about fiqh of jihad, and I also have some questions regarding some of the issues, and would like to have like a group study on the matter.
Especially since it is a very important matter in deen, and we should try to learn the correct ruling regarding different matters of our deen.
so I am suggesting to make a thread on rulings of jihad to study different matters related to jihad, it is not to argue or fight, I want it to be a like a study circle, where we can have a peaceful discussion.

when we finish discussing one issue,then we go to another.
of course no attacks on each other is allowed, and no mention of any current groups or individuals, it is only to study different issues related to jihad, discussing the rulings, with evidence and opinions of past scholars.

so what do you think?
good idea?

[Abu Ikrimah]

jazak Allahi khayran!

That is a great idea, I believe we should all do this before forming opinions with which to bash each other.

As they say in the USA, Dude I'm in!

[AnonyMousey]

Excellent idea, masha'Allah... I'd be in if I had the time... but as I said, a great idea!
I think Sheikh Anwar al-Awlaki had an excellent series on this very subject... whether it was his own work or a translation of a classical text, I dunno, but I found'em on Google Video once, dunno if it's still up.

[Um Abdullah M.]

wa eeyakum

the point of it is to learn
that is why I said that we won't be mentioning or discussing any groups or individuals, we want to learn the ruling itself, so insha Allah it will benefit everyone and at the same time have a peaceful discussion, hopefully, with evidence from Quran and Sunnah with the opinions of past scholars.

it would be nice to have a peaceful discussion with people we disagree with, in something that interests both, which we all would benefit from, and should try to learn.

[Abuz Zubair]

Yes, this would be an excellent topic to discuss.

My only contention is that even if we were objective in this and approach it as a sincere endeavour to understand these topics academically, most of those attracted to this would be those who are just there for the hype.

Besides, much of the fiqh of jihad is irrelevant to us in particular since we aren't involved in one (bar the issue of entering dar al-harb with aman). Many other Jihad issues are kind-of irrelevant today, e.g. division of war booty, etc, since the dynamics of war have changed.

But there is no harm in studying it for general knowledge of an aspect of Sharia. I would suggest you take a small matn like Umda, translate it, and then copy and paste its Sharh from Uddah and summarise it for the readers. If there is anything you don't understand, I am sure many ppl here would be willing to help, iA.

[Um Abdullah M.]

yes, we can study the issues that are relevant for today, and skip the ones that are irrelevent like the example u mentioned (i.e division of booty and such)

should this go in the fiqh section?

[Abuz Zubair]

yes, plz... fiqh section would be appropriate.

I think it would be good to touch on all topics, just for general knowledge... there is still baraka in 'ilm, and at least it would make us appreciate what Sharia is and how it works.

[Um Abdullah M.]

yes, ur right.

also, wouldn't it be good idea if you start the lesson on aqeedah tahawiyyah soon?

it would be nice to study it together with other members.

[Abuz Zubair]

InshaaAllah... hopefully, when things settle down a bit...

[anam]

The first time i heard Abdullaah Azzam was a khutba where he said in a shocked manner something like 'is this jihad...nowadays people talk about Jihad while their eating rice and drinking pepsi'

so its an important topic for Muslims to take seriously

mash Allaah

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as-salaamu alaykum,

Well i think now is a perfect time to educate ourselves. This is a great idea. Im SO IN dude!

wasalaam

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

What do you all think of the work 'Fundamentals of Jihad' by Shaykh abdul qadir ibn abdul aziz hafidullah?

[Abuz Zubair]

very unbalanced and extreme book.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

Jazakallaah khayr, anything specific akhi?

[Abu Bubu]

Sheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki used this book in his fiqh of Jihaad series.



Mashari Al-Ashwaq ila Masari al-Ushaaq

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The author’s full name was Ahmad Ibrahim Muhammad al-Dimashqi al-Dumyati, commonly known as Ibn an-Nuhaas and he died in the Year 814 Hijri, corresponding to the Year 1411 of the Gregorian calendar.

Sheikh Abdullah Azzam said about this book: “This is the best book on Jihad.”

It is considered the most comprehensive study on the subject of Jihad because it was written by an author who practised, lived and experienced what he preached.

Mashari Al-Ashwaq ila Masari al-Ushaaq [Arabic] (http://www.hoor-al-ayn.com/Books/4)%20Mashari%20Al-Ashwaq%20ila%20Masari%20al-Ushaaq%20[Arabic].pdf)

Mashari Al-Ashwaq ila Masari al-Ushaaq [English] (http://www.hoor-al-ayn.com/Books/6)%20Mashari%20Al-Ashwaq%20ila%20Masari%20al-Ushaaq%20[Revised%20Edition].pdf)

[AlHindi]

The first time i heard Abdullaah Azzam was a khutba where he said in a shocked manner something like 'is this jihad...nowadays people talk about Jihad while their eating rice and drinking pepsi'

so its an important topic for Muslims to take seriously
As-salamu'alaykum,

Commander Khattab (rahimahullah) also advised similarly: Talking about Jihad is not enough.. you have to be in the battlefield in order to spread Islam.

We only claim to their love and respect and consider them the righteous, then how are we concerned about our brethren? where are those who share the pain of Muhammad's (salAllahu'alaihiwasallam) Ummah? May Allah have mercy upon us!

We are only to seek baraka from talking about Jihad! We should be serious with our Iman and ghayrah while Islam and Muslims are under attack. May Allah help us.

Though we should study the rulings of Jihad and encourage ourselves for it, but please keep them safe from our attacks, those who offer their blood for Islam, Insha'Allah, they are in the best postition to judge their conditions and apply the rulings.

JazakumAllahukhairan

[Ibn Al Khattab]

But there is no harm in studying it for general knowledge of an aspect of Sharia. I would suggest you take a small matn like Umda, translate it, and then copy and paste its Sharh from Uddah and summarise it for the readers. If there is anything you don't understand, I am sure many ppl here would be willing to help, iA.


Has this been done yet?

[leo]

Understanding Jihad by Dr Israr Ahmad

http://www.tanzeem.org/resources/articles/articledesc.asp?id=137

[AbuUsama]

very unbalanced and extreme book.

lol lets ask Mr.Bush to write a book so we can discuss without going extreme

[Um Abdullah M.]

Has this been done yet?

well I started translating the first part but I have to send it to someone to check it (the translation) because I am having a little difficult time translating some fiqhi terminology.

so insha Allah I will start it in the next few days.

[Ibn Al Khattab]

well I started translating the first part but I have to send it to someone to check it (the translation) because I am having a little difficult time translating some fiqhi terminology.

so insha Allah I will start it in the next few days.



As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah,

Jazakum Allahu khairan ukhti for your efforts.

The fiqhi terms may be best left untranslated if the majority of them would be known the people of this forum, the others could be looked up to find the meaning by those who don't understand.

Just a suggestion that should be heard. If it applies, walhamdulillah, if not, walhamdulillah.

[inshallahshaheed]

Understanding Jihad by Dr Israr Ahmad

http://www.tanzeem.org/resources/articles/articledesc.asp?id=137

Assalam Alaikum,

I sincerely advise you and everyone else to stay away from this man and his teachings regarding this subject. I was part of his Tanzeem jama'ah for many years and after I read Shaykh 'Azzam's book, "In Defense of Muslim lands," my thoughts on this subject completely changed since Shaykh 'Azzam was discussing this issue of fard 'ayn, defensive jihaad, and some of the excuses which he refuted; this was a totally new concept to me. So for many months I discussed this issue with various leaders in the Tanzeem including the Ameer, and all I got from them was excuses. All of them, including the Ameer, spoke against Shaykh 'Azzam and even character assassinated him saying, "he was not really a Shaykh! He was just a Mujaahid! Don't you know that!?" They would say these things in order to reject his book. Then when they saw that I was upset, they apologized and said things like, "Oh he was great!! But you must understand that this is wrong..."

I did my best to not get upset and try to discuss the issue with them intelligently, but they kept rejecting all the of issues brought forth in his book saying things like, "We don't have a Khalifah," "Jihaad without Khilaafah is haraam and therefore the Mujaahideen are Fusaaq," "We are in the Makkan stage, so we must stick to Da'wah," and more.

The only intelligent one was their Da'ee who had studied at Al-Azhar. He said all these quotes from Shaykh 'Azzam's book are "incorrect" because "look at what happened in the Afghan Jihaad... there was civil strife afterwards... so all of this is wrong..."

This man tried even "proving" to me that the Shuhadaa' who died in the Afghan-Soviet Jihaad were "just stories" and were "not true." He said the Mujaahideen would use this in order to recruit more people.

I challenged him to find me an Ijmaa' that supports his opinion. So what he did instead was to go through some of the quotes in Shaykh 'Azzam's book and deliberately lied in my face saying, "I have these books! And I don't see these quotes anywhere!!"

When the Somali Jihaad started, one of their early-bird members left the Country and went to Somalia. He died shaheed in Somalia, inshaa'Allaah. When the news reached the Ameer of Tanzeem, he said "he committed suicide" and made other awful statements because the brother didn't stick to the "Methodology" of Tanzeem (as if to say to leave their Manhaj is becoming an Apostate).

There is a lot more to say but I think this suffices.

So all of this is from the brightest students of Dr. Israr; they think Jihaad is impossible without going through the "six revolutionary stages" which they invented.

I warn everyone from this group.

[Abuz Zubair]

All of them, including the Ameer, spoke against Shaykh 'Azzam and even character assassinated him saying, "he was not really a Shaykh! He was just a Mujaahid! Don't you know that!?" They would say these things in order to reject his book.

How are you guys any different?

You accuse him of being an Ikhwani Mushrik, because he believes in voting and becoming MPs, don't you?

Yes, I know you excuse the laymen ikhwani for ignorance, but I am sure you do not consider Abdullah Azzam to be ignorant. Surely your post makes it clear you consider him to be an Alim, so he must be a Mushrik according to you guys, and if not, at least guilty of Shirk, right?

[inshallahshaheed]

How are you guys any different?

You accuse him of being an Ikhwani Mushrik, because he believes in voting and becoming MPs, don't you?

Yes, I know you excuse the laymen ikhwani for ignorance, but I am sure you do not consider Abdullah Azzam to be ignorant. Surely your post makes it clear you consider him to be an Alim, so he must be a Mushrik according to you guys, and if not, at least guilty of Shirk, right?

Assalam Alaikum,

Although I don't understand the comparison you are making between voting and rejecting Shaykh 'Azzam because he speaks Haqq about Jihaad, your question is good.

I don't think it's fair that you associate my opinions to everyone else's when it comes to these matters.

I have never accused Shaykh 'Azzam as an Ikhwani Mushrik.

And yes, I am aware of his views on it.

My opinion on this, and Allah knows best, is that since he has passed away, there is no way that any of us can discuss the issues thoroughly with him. Perhaps some have in Afghanistan and I don't know of these discussions. As you might know, my opinion on voting is the same as Shaykh Faisal's where we cannot make blanket Takfeer on those who vote, allow voting, and promote voting until the Hujjah has been established. I am not calling him ignorant nor am I calling him a Prophet; he is a Scholar and Scholars are human beings.

So whenever I'm asked about Shaykh 'Azzam's opinion regarding this, I stay quiet until I come across an opinion which is stronger than mines.

What is your opinion?

[Abuz Zubair]

I have never accused Shaykh 'Azzam as an Ikhwani Mushrik.

And yes, I am aware of his views on it.

My opinion on this, and Allah knows best, is that since he has passed away, there is no way that any of us can discuss the issues thoroughly with him.

Well, you clearly stated that voting is kufr.

The least you can say about Abdullah Azzam is that he died on Kufr, right? I am not asking you to make takfeer on him, but acknowledge that he died without ever retracted his kufr beliefs?

Perhaps some have in Afghanistan and I don't know of these discussions.

Yes, these discussions are well recorded and even compiled into booklets. So there isn't anything uncertain about his views.

As you might know, my opinion on voting is the same as Shaykh Faisal's where we cannot make blanket Takfeer on those who vote, allow voting, and promote voting until the Hujjah has been established.

Erm, he actually has made blanket Takfeer on al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun over voting issues. There is no doubt Abdullah Azzam was an Ikhwani.

I am not calling him ignorant nor am I calling him a Prophet; he is a Scholar and Scholars are human beings.

Oh yes... All scholars are human beings, so much so that they can fall into kufr, like Abdullah Azzam, right? And of course, Ibn Baz, which goes without saying :)

[Mustafa al-Muhaajir]

May Allah have mercy upon ash-Shaykh al-Mujaddid Abdullah Azzam ...

[inshallahshaheed]

Yes, these discussions are well recorded and even compiled into booklets. So there isn't anything uncertain about his views.

Okay, what were his arguments for voting?


Erm, he actually has made blanket Takfeer on al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun over voting issues.

Perhaps he did, and I don't agree. I don't know if that came first or his ruling on "don't do blanket takfeer on those who vote until the Hujjah is established."

[Salsabil]

very unbalanced and extreme book.

akhee, can you tell us what you thought was extreme and unbalanced there? Do you say this because he mentioned al-Albani's 'mistake' there, or you mean something other than it?

[Abuz Zubair]

Okay, what were his arguments for voting?

If you search the forums for Abdullah Azzam and Parliament I am sure you will come across his quotes.

But that's besides the point.

Would you at least accuse him of kufr?

Perhaps he did, and I don't agree. I don't know if that came first or his ruling on "don't do blanket takfeer on those who vote until the Hujjah is established."

Yes, and this is the problem. He has trouble settling on an opinion because he is too hasty when passing judgements.

akhee, can you tell us what you thought was extreme and unbalanced there? Do you say this because he mentioned al-Albani's 'mistake' there, or you mean something other than it?

He is very critical of whoever he disagrees with. He is too harsh on takfeer, i.e he makes takfeer of the armies, those working for the government, the police, etc...

Put it this way, he was known as an extremist in the circles of Abu Qatada, Abul-Waleed and Abu Ithar, but they would still sell his book because they considered it beneficial in many other aspects (save Abu Ithar, he wouldn't sell his book)

Some aspects of it are genuinely good. If there is anyone out of all these guys who had the REAL potential, despite of just being a surgeon, was him. I mean, he was 1001 times better than Maqdisi. His problem, as it seemed to be reading his literature is the same mentality that most of these guys are afflicted with. They are driven by extreme anger which causes them to come to extreme conclusions about various issues and personalities. Sh al-Albani is just one example. Zawahiri might be another example, even if he is right that they shouldn't have produced his work in distorted form.

[Mustafa al-Muhaajir]

الشيخ المجاهد ابي يحيى الليبي

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[inshallahshaheed]

Would you at least accuse him of kufr?

Nope. Nor do I know why you are so excited for me to make Takfeer on a man that smelled like musk when he was killed.

[Abuz Zubair]

Nope. Nor do I know why you are so excited for me to make Takfeer on a man that smelled like musk when he was killed.
That's a bit odd and very unprincipled of you, don't you think?

You explicitly state that you consider voting to be kufr.

Yet, here is a man who not only believes in voting, but also believes in a Muslim becoming an MP, yet you do not think he is guilty of kufr?

This is outright contradiction.

Either voting is NOT Kufr, and therefore, Abdullah Azzam is not guilty of Kufr

Or voting IS Kufr, and therefore Abdullah Azzam is guilty of Kufr.

You cannot have it both ways, mate.

[Salsabil]

That's a bit odd and very unprincipled of you, don't you think?

You explicitly state that you consider voting to be kufr.

Yet, here is a man who not only believes in voting, but also believes in a Muslim becoming an MP, yet you do not think he is guilty of kufr?

This is outright contradiction.

Either voting is NOT Kufr, and therefore, Abdullah Azzam is not guilty of Kufr

Or voting IS Kufr, and therefore Abdullah Azzam is guilty of Kufr.

You cannot have it both ways, mate.

May I reconcile what you two say:

Voting can be kufr, if one votes to empower a legislator besides Allah, contrary to His sharia.

Voting can be, not kufr, if one votes for Islamists for example, as Abdullah Azzam (r) carefully suggested.

There is a grey area in between which muslims must beware of, if they value their deen. Imo.

In any case, takfeer in these questions must be much more carefully done, since its not a clear issue for laymen, and there are those, who ascribe themselves to knowledge, who permit various types of voting for various reasons.

And Allah knows best.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=107166&ln=eng&txt=voting

[inshallahshaheed]

May I reconcile what you two say:

Voting can be kufr, if one votes to empower a legislator besides Allah, contrary to His sharia.

Voting can be, not kufr, if one votes for Islamists for example, as Abdullah Azzam (r) carefully suggested.

There is a grey area in between which muslims must beware of, if they value their deen. Imo.

In any case, takfeer in these questions must be much more carefully done, since its not a clear issue for laymen, and there are those, who ascribe themselves to knowledge, who permit various types of voting for various reasons.

And Allah knows best.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=107166&ln=eng&txt=voting

Jazakullah Khair,

I spoke to some brothers about it (and still am) and they say that there is a major difference between voting in America for a Kaafir politician who will continue this war on terror and establish laws of shirk versus voting in a Muslim land for a Muslim politician that only intends to strengthen Shari'ah.

'Abdullah 'Azzam did not speak in the context of voting in America for Kaafir politicians that will surely fight Islaam and the Muslims and establish Shirk (correct me if I'm mistaken).

[Abdullah Ali al Hanafi]

Jazakullah Khair,

I spoke to some brothers about it (and still am) and they say that there is a major difference between voting in America for a Kaafir politician who will continue this war on terror and establish laws of shirk versus voting in a Muslim land for a Muslim politician that only intends to strengthen Shari'ah.

'Abdullah 'Azzam did not speak in the context of voting in America for Kaafir politicians that will surely fight Islaam and the Muslims (correct me if I'm mistaken).

Shaikh Abdullah Azzam worked as a teacher in the south Jordanian village of Adder. He subsequently joined Sharia College at the University of Damascus where he obtained a B.A. in Sharia in 1966.

Azzam then went to Egypt to continue Islamic studies at Cairo’s Al-Azhar University where he earned a Master’s degree in Sharia. He returned to teach at the University of Jordan in Amman

a a B.A. in Sharia and a Master’s degree in Sharia from Al Azhar? and still Madkhalis say he was not a Scholar what a shame , btw some Madkhalis say that Shaikh Umar Abdur Rahman is not a scholar aswell and if you would know this shaikh his study history you would fell of your chair, both bin baaz and ibn uthaymeen together dont have the knowledge Shaikh Umar Abdur Rahman has

[inshallahshaheed]

btw some Madkhalis say that Shaikh Umar Abdur Rahman is not a scholar aswell and if you would know this shaikh his study history you would fell of your chair, both bin baaz and ibn uthaymeen together dont have the knowledge Shaikh Umar Abdur Rahman has

Assalam Alaikum,

Yes, I've heard the same. I remember reading his qualifications somewhere but I lost it. Do you happen to have it?

[Abuz Zubair]

Salsabil,

I am not interested in reconciliation of opinions or even deciding who is right or wrong.

My concern is only to determine why they find it so difficult to practice their own theory on individuals like Sh Abdullah Azzam.

I spoke to some brothers about it (and still am) and they say that there is a major difference between voting in America for a Kaafir politician who will continue this war on terror and establish laws of shirk versus voting in a Muslim land for a Muslim politician that only intends to strengthen Shari'ah.

'Abdullah 'Azzam did not speak in the context of voting in America for Kaafir politicians that will surely fight Islaam and the Muslims and establish Shirk (correct me if I'm mistaken).This is NOT the issue at all. You brothers, and especially Faysal, considers it Kufr and Shirk for one to take any part in democratic elections. Your argument is that the one who enters the parliament as an MP has set himself as a lord besides Allah. And those who vote for these MPs are worshipping them besides Allah. This is the crux of your argument, and on this basis Faysal makes takfeer on the Ikhwan in bulk.

Now, Abdullah Azzam believes in the permisibility of becoming an MP in a Kafir parliament and he believes in voting in democratic elections.

Please practice what you preach and make takfeer.

[JamalsOwnJihad]

Salaam. I think the suggestion is excellent and I'm impressed that IA forum is fitna free and news free. There's plenty of news elsewhere. What we need is time for discussion. Among all of us, we surely have much to teach and learn.

The first thing we should keep in mind is to remove all the stereotype definitions we've been hearing about the various jihads [greater and lesser]. We must go back to al Qur'an and not CNN and BCC news. The infidel will always have an unflattering view of the word. It seems the word jihad is tainted. It's even so scary to some governments that the mere use of the word, or googling it or writing it, researching it,,,,, is cause for them to be suspicious of us. But we must remember the word is an action word - something we do - and its a requirement in Islam. Since we have al Qur'an to study from, we should rely mostly on it.

Many of most of us have read cumulative articles, such as Tibyan's "ways to participate and serve in jihad." Those are excellent. I suggest we have even more ayats and hadith in our discussion.

I read an article last night on someone's MySpace and it was about physical jihad. I was VERY impressed w/ the detail quoted from al Qur'an. That tells me that the writer - and those reading it - are doing the right thing.

So, taking all these great suggestions everyone made before mine, I'd be interested in 'discussion,' not debate. Salaam.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Brother, I have already started it in Fiqh and its application section, titled "Fiqh of Jihad: Madkhal - Introduction"
please see it there.

[Abu Zubair al afghani]

To Abu Zubair
Sorry Akhi The Takfeer Mu'ayan Cannot Be Made Unless After The Availibilty Of Conditions And After Intifa' Ul Muwani'.
The Shaykh Was A Mujtahid, How Can Takfeer Be Made Due To His False Taweel.

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

[FONT="Arial Black"]Tanzeem

You might be right on Tanzeem in general, but many of the ordinary members, actually have pretty correct perception of Jihad that is going on now. We had pretty strong Tanzeemi "cell" (as I jokingly call it) in our Masjid and all of them were pretty unequivocally in support of Chechen, Kashimir, Afghani, Somali mujahiddeen. I do not know how to explain this. May be they just do not know about some aspects of the leadership, or may be what you read about the leadership is only disguise.

Is there a possibility that many people who say now words like "only defensive Jihad", "not now", "meccan period", in fact are bound by the intent not to subject their organization to the higher pressure from Kuffar powers.

That is not Sunnah, of course, but it is still better than having all those wrong notions in the heart as well.

[inshallahshaheed]

You might be right on Tanzeem in general, but many of the ordinary members, actually have pretty correct perception of Jihad that is going on now. We had pretty strong Tanzeemi "cell" (as I jokingly call it) in our Masjid and all of them were pretty unequivocally in support of Chechen, Kashimir, Afghani, Somali mujahiddeen. I do not know how to explain this. May be they just do not know about some aspects of the leadership, or may be what you read about the leadership is only disguise.

Is there a possibility that many people who say now words like "only defensive Jihad", "not now", "meccan period", in fact are bound by the intent not to subject their organization to the higher pressure from Kuffar powers.

That is not Sunnah, of course, but it is still better than having all those wrong notions in the heart as well.

Assalam Alaikum,

Yes, I am aware that there are some brothers within Tanzeem that hold such opinions and I am happy for them. I only wish for them to leave the Tanzeem since the general infrastructure of its manhaj is totally opposite to these beliefs (of Jihaad which you mentioned). It's hard for me to imagine a Muslim that has sincere love for the Jihaad and the Mujaahideen and yet be a part of this movement that not only shuns their ways, but also makes it seem inferior to the manhaj and 'Aqeedah of Tanzeem. In other words, they will never admit that what the Mujaahideen are doing is correct and that it's the best thing a Muslim can do.

As for a disguise, I may not know what it's like at this exact moment, but when I was in it for the past five or so years - and I have been amongst its leadership and I know the Umaraa well - it never occurred to me that these people would be "hiding" their true beliefs. Sure, they are like any other Muslim when they get upset over the Muslims being killed by the Kuffaar, but that has no effect on their manhaj.

Is there a possibility that many people who say now words like "only defensive Jihad", "not now", "meccan period", in fact are bound by the intent not to subject their organization to the higher pressure from Kuffar powers.

In my opinion, if someone were to have such an intent, then this is from a lack of Tawakkul upon Allah.

This is one major problem I saw with them. They simply have not understood Tawakkul. Sometimes they will preach how the Sahaabah had amazing Tawakkul upon Allah. Then sometimes they will preach that in order for their movement to successfully pull of its methodology, you must have great Tawakkul since it might "take generations" for this formula to work. But when you tell them about how the Mujaahideen are winning here and there and establishing Shari'ah here and there, they will say things like, "it will not last long" and "it is temporary" and "they cannot win."

If you ask me, this is Nifaaq. On one side, they have complete reliance upon Allah for the work that they do, but on the other, they say that the Mujaahideen have no hope against such a Superpower and their victories are temporary and whatnot.

In my opinion, once they understand Tawakkul properly, there's a good chance of Tanzeem not even existing.

[Mr GQ]

Tanzeemis and Hizbis remind of that "God Hates Fags" group - thinking poster boards will solve everything.

[Ibn Al Khattab]

As Salamu Alaikum ukhti Umm Abdullah,

How is the progress coming with the translation?

[inshallahshaheed]

Tanzeemis and Hizbis remind of that "God Hates Fags" group - thinking poster boards will solve everything.

No, they won't even go that far :)