Madkhali summer camp

[Abu Ikrimah]

http://www.salafimanhaj.com/images/camp_flyer.jpg

I wonder if they will cover:

1) Writing mega long, ridiculous pdf's

2) Character assasination

3) Breaking noses

4) jarh and ta'deel ad naseum

5) manhaj issues

6) The mustadrak of al-haakim

Any other suggestions?

[Abu Ma'mar]

(7) 101 ways to incriminate the Islamic bookstore opposite yours.

[AnonyMousey]

Looks fun! :P

I wonder if you have to fill out an interrogation sheet before they let you come...

[Abu Ikrimah]

Looks fun! :P

I wonder if you have to fill out an interrogation sheet before they let you come...

I think it is open to all, as long as you are on the manhaj... so I guess those lucky 13 people will get to attend once again ....

[Noorah]

If only we would stop being so bitter with no reason for every single little thing.

maybe then as an ummah we will progress?

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

If only we would stop being so bitter with no reason for every single little thing.

maybe then as an ummah we will progress?

your so right but will them 13 brothers take heed of your words?

[Yasir]

I struggling to understand how an image of a shemagh with an ‘iqaal is relevant to a talk on preserving Muslim identity for Californians?

[hearandobey]

i've seen the madkhalis (particularly USA ones) using the shemagh image taken from behind as the "salafi look". maybe they do that because in saudi a lot of salafis wear it?

[Brother_Mujahid]

I'd go, but I don't think my axe deodorant can mask the rancid stench of Surooriyyah, Qutbiyyah, and Takfiriyyah that I reek of.

[Nooristan]

This thread bust me up,13 brothers,you guys stop making me laugh please,once a bro kept on saying to me naam iqwah at each juncture in our conversation so I kept turning round to see who he was talking to until I realized he was meaning to say naam achi,I didn't have the heart to tell him....................

[Yasir]

i've seen the madkhalis (particularly USA ones) using the shemagh image taken from behind as the "salafi look". maybe they do that because in saudi a lot of salafis wear it?I remember seeing the book “The Wahhabi Myth” which was published a few years ago. This is how they presented its front cover:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/oliver.jpg

[Abu Ma'mar]

I struggling to understand how an image of a shemagh with an ‘iqaal is relevant to a talk on preserving Muslim identity for Californians?

Yes ive seen this kind of stuff and subhanallah how dumb is it to walk down the street in a shemagh, thobe and sandals.

why bring attention to yourself like that unless your an attention seeker.

we shouldn't, also, forget that this could be part of their program to make people think islam is a copyright of saudi.

[hearandobey]

i just went to their website and they had quite a few saudi stuff there... i wonder why? how is that relevant to western muslims?

[AnonyMousey]

Uhhhh, my own father walks around in a thobe and ghutrah every day in public... he's been doing so for the last 17 years... and he's definitely not Salafi, nor is he an attention seeker.

[Abu Talhah]

The Madkhalis here are worse, since most of them are fresh out of prison or something, they always speak using the ghetto-version of the english language. Usually like, with a thobe, and $200 Air Jordan sneakers. Any conversation you have with them, will involve last nights basketball game, arab women (ask any brother from NJ), and anti-tawheed al-Hakamiyyah

"but brothAA theyz be all up in our manHaJ yo, wid der haKaaaMEEyaah, it aint right son, it aint right, but ya seen eWing against de'm nets last night man? Ah man that man was rippin dat court wid dat ball man, riPPin"


Funny people indeed.

[Mustafa al-Muhaajir]

", but ya seen eWing against de'm nets last night man? Ah man that man was rippin dat court wid dat ball man, riPPin"

Funny people indeed.Ewing?!
Are you still in the 90s ?

[jetmir]

Uhhhh, my own father walks around in a thobe and ghutrah every day in public... he's been doing so for the last 17 years... and he's definitely not Salafi, nor is he an attention seeker.

He's not salafi? you mean he's not "madhkali"? what does he say he is then?

[al-Athari]

The Madkhalis here are worse, since most of them are fresh out of prison or something, they always speak using the ghetto-version of the english language. Usually like, with a thobe, and $200 Air Jordan sneakers. Any conversation you have with them, will involve last nights basketball game, arab women (ask any brother from NJ), and anti-tawheed al-Hakamiyyah

"but brothAA theyz be all up in our manHaJ yo, wid der haKaaaMEEyaah, it aint right son, it aint right, but ya seen eWing against de'm nets last night man? Ah man that man was rippin dat court wid dat ball man, riPPin"


Funny people indeed.

LOOL, "Eh akh, you need to take a chill pill and kick back... lay off the qurtubi manhaaj, I'm tellin you kid you str8 trippin to be following Qutb you aint got no one else to be following? Man you need to be on the 'dawah' ...yup... tell em' akh .....dawatu salafiyyaaah all day errday baby al Quran wa Sunnah that's how we do it we be holdin' it down too bro the daleel comes first"

I heard those exact same words the other day from a couple of Madkhali brothers at school speaking to another (good) brother. They were making it seem like 'Salafiyah' was their gang lol, and they were tryina 'jump him in'. But poor madkhalis didn't know that he knew everything about their evil, and is way more knowledgeable then their Spub PDFs.

[abu hafs]

Come on guys, You don't have to poke fun @ everything they do ....

[Um Abdullah M.]

Come on guys, You don't have to poke fun @ everything they do ....

you read my mind.

if you guys have lot of free time , I can give you some work to do insha Allah.

[Hamza]

iv been invited so many times but never bothered.

i think i might go one day soon - ruffle some feathers :)

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

a madhakali brother i know always tries to sound really deep when he talks, when he sat down to eat with me recently he was saying

''i dont get involved in no politics man, i just do my adhkar and concentrate on my salat...we need to foget all these politics and ask...ayna Allah? ayna Allah? that is the question man.''

i felt like saying, i'f you dont know that by now brother then youve got serious problems' but i didnt want to burst his bubble so i let him ask another 2-3 times.

[Abu Ikrimah]

Uhhhh, my own father walks around in a thobe and ghutrah every day in public... he's been doing so for the last 17 years... and he's definitely not Salafi, nor is he an attention seeker.

What did he wear 17 years ago, and why the change, if you do not mind me asking ....

[AnonyMousey]

@ Jetmir
He doesn't call himself anything; just Ahlus-Sunnah. Other people tell him he's Salafi, but the Salafis don't like him

@ Abu Ikrimah
He grew up in Canada, so typical Western clothes... then he got into the Madinah University, spent over 6 years in Saudi, got used to it, and decided to keep wearing it even when he moved back to Canada.

[Noorah]

your so right but will them 13 brothers take heed of your words?

both sides are guilty

[AbuUsama]

a madhakali brother i know always tries to sound really deep when he talks, when he sat down to eat with me recently he was saying

''i dont get involved in no politics man, i just do my adhkar and concentrate on my salat...we need to foget all these politics and ask...ayna Allah? ayna Allah? that is the question man.''

i felt like saying, i'f you dont know that by now brother then youve got serious problems' but i didnt want to burst his bubble so i let him ask another 2-3 times.

C'mon akhi u just made me laugh see these madhkhaliya are becoming Sufis like Jamahatul tabligh

[AbuUsama]

you read my mind.

if you guys have lot of free time , I can give you some work to do insha Allah.

See how real Madhkaliya coming out

[Niqaabis]

Come on guys, You don't have to poke fun @ everything they do ....

exactly its really sad

and what benefit does it bring?

You're only making yourselves look bad

[Um Abdullah M.]

See how real Madhkaliya coming out

yah, you never see me entering political discussions in this forum
you also see me calling other Qutubis, surooris ...etc.

I also consider sh. Abdullah Azzam, Bilal Philips, Saleh al Munajjid ...etc. deviant innovators.

...etc.

[Abu Ikrimah]

[QUOTE=AnonyMousey;80015

Other people tell him he's Salafi, but the Salafis don't like him

[/QUOTE]

That's like most of the IA population....

[Abu Ikrimah]

[QUOTE=AnonyMousey;80015

He grew up in Canada, so typical Western clothes... then he got into the Madinah University, spent over 6 years in Saudi, got used to it, and decided to keep wearing it even when he moved back to Canada.

[/QUOTE]

That's awesome. He can become one of my mates if he wants - the honour would all be mine.

Please ask him three vital 'manhaj' questions though...

1) Who, or what is Qarmooshi

2) Does he like Saudia Ice cream

3) Has he ever driven (or even owned) a Chevrolet Caprice Classic...

Depending on his answers, he can join my new manhaj....

[Abu Ikrimah]

yah, you never see me entering political discussions in this forum
you also see me calling other Qutubis, surooris ...etc.

I also consider sh. Abdullah Azzam, Bilal Philips, Saleh al Munajjid ...etc. deviant innovators.

...etc.

Are we all off the manhaj then sis?

Seriously, Br Abu Usama, chill out .... else we will all start suspecting each other ...

[Abu Nusaybah]

Bismillah.
Seriously, Br Abu Usama, chill out .... else we will all start suspecting each other ...
Jazakallah khayr. It's true, it does seem as if certain people always jump on Umm Abdullah (metaphorically speaking), everytime she posts something.

wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullah.

[jetmir]

@ Jetmir
He doesn't call himself anything; just Ahlus-Sunnah. Other people tell him he's Salafi, but the Salafis don't like him

@ Abu Ikrimah
He grew up in Canada, so typical Western clothes... then he got into the Madinah University, spent over 6 years in Saudi, got used to it, and decided to keep wearing it even when he moved back to Canada.

I'm pretty sure I know who he is, but I always thought he considered himself a "salafi", at least thats what people think he is. Who are the "salafies" of your community anyways? I guess the ones that don't like him are "madhkalis", but he is no where near a "qutubi, ikhwani, blah blah".

[AbuUsama]

yah, you never see me entering political discussions in this forum
you also see me calling other Qutubis, surooris ...etc.

I also consider sh. Abdullah Azzam, Bilal Philips, Saleh al Munajjid ...etc. deviant innovators.

...etc.

its not surprise to hear it from you sister because from the day I joined this forum I saw Pure Roots of madhkali manhaj in you, May Allah Guide you

Btw if you consider them to be deviant please kindly tell me who are upon the right path ?
I am waiting for it Insha Allah

[Magoo]

its not surprise to hear it from you sister because from the day I joined this forum I saw Pure Roots of madhkali manhaj in you, May Allah Guide you

Btw if you consider them to be deviant please kindly tell me who are upon the right path ?
I am waiting for it Insha Allah

i think she was being sarcastic personally

[Um Abdullah M.]

its not surprise to hear it from you sister because from the day I joined this forum I saw Pure Roots of madhkali manhaj in you, May Allah Guide you

Btw if you consider them to be deviant please kindly tell me who are upon the right path ?
I am waiting for it Insha Allah

well that shows that you know nothing about me, no surprise since ur new to the forum, and you've only read a few posts by me in topics related to KSA.

other members in this forum who have been posting here for months or since I started posting here, including readers who don't post, would know that I was only being sarcastic, because I never called anyone "Qutubi" or "Suroori"
plus I do not consider any of the shaikh's I mentioned to be deviant, I've actually argued with some people (not in this forum) regarding their attacks on shaikh Munajjid hafidhhu Allah,
I've also mentioned several times in this forum that I consider shaikh Abdullah Azzam from the true mujahideen on right path.

[AnonyMousey]

@ Jetmir
Yah, I'd be surprised if you haven't figured it out yet :)

Like I said, others call him Salafi but he doesn't associate himself with any group except Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama'ah. We've got a few Salafis who came from out East (Toronto and so on), and they don't really like him 'cuz he follows "those who are not upon the manhaj!" (Bilal Philips, Saleh al-Fawzaan, the list goes on...)

[AbuUsama]

Well you are the one who said

yah, you never see me entering political discussions in this forum
you also see me calling other Qutubis, surooris ...etc.

I also consider sh. Abdullah Azzam, Bilal Philips, Saleh al Munajjid ...etc. deviant innovators.

...etc.

Now you are telling


I never called anyone "Qutubi" or "Suroori"
plus I do not consider any of the shaikh's I mentioned to be deviant, I've actually argued with some people (not in this forum) regarding their attacks on shaikh Munajjid hafidhhu Allah,
I've also mentioned several times in this forum that I consider shaikh Abdullah Azzam from the true mujahideen on right path.


I do not understand what is wrong with you, you made me to read this several times if am wrong but am still confused :confused:

[jetmir]

Abu Usama, she was being sarcastic in the first post.

[Abu Ma'mar]

I'm pretty sure I know who he is, but I always thought he considered himself a "salafi", at least thats what people think he is. Who are the "salafies" of your community anyways? I guess the ones that don't like him are "madhkalis", but he is no where near a "qutubi, ikhwani, blah blah".

So who is he then?




AnonyMousey,

Sister i apologize if i offended you about the attention seeker comment, im just saying that from what ive seen many Salafi's who do this are looking for attention, and to get married(except a few).

And im referring to this country and not yours.

[AnonyMousey]

So who is he then?
I'd prefer to keep Abu AnonyMouse's identity private for now... jazakAllahu khair.



AnonyMousey,

Sister i apologize if i offended you about the attention seeker comment, im just saying that from what ive seen many Salafi's who do this are looking for attention, and to get married(except a few).
And im referring to this country and not yours.

It's okay, I'm not offended... which country are you referring to then? 'Cuz I'm in Canada...

[Scented Blood]

Abu Usama, she was being sarcastic in the first post.

Could it not be deemed that she told a lie while joking?

Not good.

[عُبَيْدُ رَبِّهِ]

How great would the da'wa be if we could have only well thought and wise comments on deviant ideas that mention only that which is needed and don't backfire on us as it does now. This is the problem of madkhalis, sufis and quite a few on this board.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Could it not be deemed that she told a lie while joking?

Not good.

first of all it was not joking because I was not trying to be funny.
secondly, many members know that I do not do that stuff nor believe it.
I was just trying to make a point.

[Hamza]

Sis you didnt answer my previous question: Have you read much from Abdullah Azzam?

If not then how can you say he was upon the correct path?

[Scented Blood]

I also consider sh. Abdullah Azzam, Bilal Philips, Saleh al Munajjid ...etc. deviant innovators.


I dont think you can dispute you said this.

I take a person at their word unless given reason to do otherwise so when i read the above i assume that is what you belive.

What the majority of the people here know of you means nothing to me. I take you at what you said.

You said something which was not true according to you now.

If you do not wish this to occur please do not make such statements again. Make your points sticking to what is the truth.

[Anikaa]

well that shows that you know nothing about me, no surprise since ur new to the forum, and you've only read a few posts by me in topics related to KSA.

other members in this forum who have been posting here for months or since I started posting here, including readers who don't post, would know that I was only being sarcastic, because I never called anyone "Qutubi" or "Suroori"
plus I do not consider any of the shaikh's I mentioned to be deviant, I've actually argued with some people (not in this forum) regarding their attacks on shaikh Munajjid hafidhhu Allah,
I've also mentioned several times in this forum that I consider shaikh Abdullah Azzam from the true mujahideen on right path.
I am your witness in regards to defending shaykh al-munajjid. I remember your naseehah :) May Allaah reward you.

[Um Abdullah M.]

I dont think you can dispute you said this.

I take a person at their word unless given reason to do otherwise so when i read the above i assume that is what you belive.

What the majority of the people here know of you means nothing to me. I take you at what you said.

You said something which was not true according to you now.

If you do not wish this to occur please do not make such statements again. Make your points sticking to what is the truth.


I was trying to make a point by my post, but it seems you and some others didn't get it, and some did.

so just forget it.

Allah knows my intention and He is the one who accounts me for my speech and actions.

[Um Abdullah M.]

I am your witness in regards to defending shaykh al-munajjid. I remember your naseehah :) May Allaah reward you.

jazakillahu khayran sister

[Scented Blood]

I was trying to make a point by my post, but it seems you and some others didn't get it, and some did.

so just forget it.

Allah knows my intention and He is the one who accounts me for my speech and actions.

Lets try to make sure our intention and our action are in line and are one next time.

I get the point you was trying to make but you dont understand the point i am trying to make.

What you wrote was not what you belived so it was not true.

[Um Abdullah M.]

I get ur point.

next time I will not say anything insha Allah.

I don't know why I even bother defending myself, some people will still say the same stuff.

[Scented Blood]

I read a beautiful saying yesterday il share with you.

Al- Dhahabi said: It was narrated that Taloot said: I heard Ibraaheem ibn Adham say: 'May the mercy of Allah be upon the one who does me a favour and tells me my faults.'


Not saying i want thanks just wanted to share that with you.

[Um Abdullah M.]

bro, the problem isn't with ur advice, it is with the way you advice, it was more like an attack on my person, well that is how I felt it was.

but Allah knows both our intentions.

jazakallahu khayran for your advice.

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

ukthi take the advise in good heart, your statement in this thread and the 'other' one have shown that you are not clear in your statements which leads to doubts. No one wants to attack a sister but at the same time she should be and we should be careful about the statements we make.

[Um Abdullah M.]

jazakallahu khayran
I will try insha Allah

[Abu Abdur-Rahman]

barak Allah feek.

[Hajjaj]

Do you guys have a problem with the shaikh that is speaking or the organization that is giving the event?

If it's with the Shaikh why, what has he said or done? He is not Saudi.

If it's with the organization than do you even know these brothers? They are not Saudi either. One is from Sri Lanka and than other is Paki?

How many of you are from California?

http://www.twtpubs.com

Go to their web site and let me know what is so offensive about it that they deserve your riddicule.

Maybe the Shaikh has said something offensive if so post it. Here is his bio.

Shaykh Saalim at-Ta'weel

Who is Saalim at-Ta'weel
Shaykh Abu Sa`d, Saalim bin Sa`d at-Taweel, may Allah preserve him, is an Imam and Khateeb under the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Kuwait. He was born during the year 1962CE. The Shaykh graduated in 1407H, from the department of 'Usool ad-Deen, at Imam Muhammad bin Sa`ud Islamic University in Qaseem, in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

From 1402-1407H he was a regular student of one of the Great Scholars of our era, Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen, may Allah have mercy upon him. Among his other Shaykhs, he spent a number of years close to Shaykh Abu Yusuf `Abdur-Rahman `Abdus-Samad, may Allah have mercy upon him, as well as the esteemed Shaykh Falaah bin Ismail Mundakaar in Kuwait. During the past twenty years, the Shaykh has been teaching many beneficial regular lessons and has many beneficial lectures. He is from the Senior Scholars of Kuwait.

One thing I know is these brothers are good brothers and have been trying to get someone to come out and give dawah in California for years. It has been very hard since 9/11 to get someone a VISA. Give the brothers a little slack and hold your tongues. You may known the brothers at SalafiMinhaj.com but you do not know these to brothers in Cali. Give them a break.

[Ehsan]

Why do salafi's always have pubs?

[Abu Ikrimah]

Do you guys have a problem with the shaikh that is speaking or the organization that is giving the event?

If it's with the Shaikh why, what has he said or done? He is not Saudi.

If it's with the organization than do you even know these brothers? They are not Saudi either. One is from Sri Lanka and than other is Paki?

How many of you are from California?

http://www.twtpubs.com

Go to their web site and let me know what is so offensive about it that they deserve your riddicule.

Maybe the Shaikh has said something offensive if so post it. Here is his bio.

Shaykh Saalim at-Ta'weel

Who is Saalim at-Ta'weel
Shaykh Abu Sa`d, Saalim bin Sa`d at-Taweel, may Allah preserve him, is an Imam and Khateeb under the Ministry of Islamic Affairs in Kuwait. He was born during the year 1962CE. The Shaykh graduated in 1407H, from the department of 'Usool ad-Deen, at Imam Muhammad bin Sa`ud Islamic University in Qaseem, in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

From 1402-1407H he was a regular student of one of the Great Scholars of our era, Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-`Uthaymeen, may Allah have mercy upon him. Among his other Shaykhs, he spent a number of years close to Shaykh Abu Yusuf `Abdur-Rahman `Abdus-Samad, may Allah have mercy upon him, as well as the esteemed Shaykh Falaah bin Ismail Mundakaar in Kuwait. During the past twenty years, the Shaykh has been teaching many beneficial regular lessons and has many beneficial lectures. He is from the Senior Scholars of Kuwait.

One thing I know is these brothers are good brothers and have been trying to get someone to come out and give dawah in California for years. It has been very hard since 9/11 to get someone a VISA. Give the brothers a little slack and hold your tongues. You may known the brothers at SalafiMinhaj.com but you do not know these to brothers in Cali. Give them a break.

Nobody said anything about the California brothers. As for the shaykh, well, he has been associated for years with people in the west who have destroyed any chance that people of ahl us sunnah would have had to spread their ideas, and have created an extremist takfiri backlash. I think this shaykh should take responsibilty for who he has associated with.

[Hajjaj]

I think this shaykh should take responsibilty for who he has associated with.

WOW! guilt by association this is how Abu Khadijah of SPUBS kick Bilal Phillips out Ahl Sunnah. Some of you carry the same traits as the people you call Madkhlis.

[green musallah]

WOW! guilt by association this is how Abu Khadijah of SPUBS kick Bilal Phillips out Ahl Sunnah. Some of you carry the same traits as the people you call Madkhlis.

Precisely. Who's being irrational and in group-think now? There will always be some bad eggs - that is expected across board.

Don't let your hatred for a group of people cause you to be unjust.

[Abu Maryam PK]

Bismillah
Personally, i think though spubs and co have caused much harm to Islam [they maybe sincere, but sincerity is not the only criterion; so were the khawarij], but the reaction to them is an over-reaction. We want to distance ourself from them so much that we see criticism of them which is more of poking fun at them. To the un-initiated it becomes more of two sides of the same bad penny. Is the manhaj of the salaf? I mean the counter-offensive is ghair-'ilmi [unbecoming] to say the least.
I have sat with brothers from both camps. Both can go on for hours discussing the opposing camp's brothers untill u want to kick yourself under the table why on earth u are here. It gets sickening after a while. And being fully un-initiated in the turf war, u hear new names all along, who mean nothing to u. I mean i dont know who 'adnan aroor is [nor do i want to know]. Didnt hear about sh qoosi or abu usama dhahabai until a few weeks back. So what? Does that make me less of a Muslim?
Endlessly going on about something makes it run-of-the-mill. The guilt of spubs is enormous; childish satire diminishes it.

[ibn_al_huda]

people who are attacking sr. Umm Abdullah for a sarcastic comment she made need to get:

1. a sense of humor
2. a life.

subhan Allah, what nonsense!

[Mansoor Ali]

Shaykh 'Abd Al-'Azeez Aal-Ash-Shaykh asked about the Madkhalia, with English translation:

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