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Abualqamah
10th March 2008, 07:36 PM
Salam aleykum

Here is the sixth volume of the book "Mutala'ah Brawliyat" by Dr Khalid Mahmud Deobandi from Manchester

Dr Khalid attacked Ahmad Raza Khan bralewi because of his saying based on a Hadith that Azan of Jum'ah should not be done in mosques

An Dr Khalid reminded him that Bralwis are Muqalid, and this action would be understable from a Ghayr Muqalid but not from a Hanafi Muqalid

Dr Khalid argues that Muqalid should not act on a Hadith if he finds it against his Madhab, as the Imam's Nadhar is great and he might know a Hadith abrogating this or other.

He even went to say Hadith disseappered, there were more Ahadith in time of Abu Hanifah than in times of Al-Bukhari, so the Imam might know a Hadith that later people did not quote...

So he did not bring anything to justify this diseaperance of Hadith, but only doubts that Imam Al-Bukhari knew hundreds thousands authentic Ahadith but only gathered 7000,

And this is false because Imam Bukhari did not mention what where Ahadith he left, where they the same withy different Isnad or littyle difference, or Ahadith that were quoted by others and did not suit his conditions for the Sahih

So there is only Zann, no saying from Salaf that Ahadith disapeared, and by this trick he says that Muqalid have no choice but to take the saying of the Imam, and if they see a Hadith opposing their Imam, they should believe that the Imam must have a stronger Dalil...

So acting on Hadith and obeying the Prophet, which is ordered in the Quran is no more applicable because if this Zann, the sayings of the Prophet (saw) have disapered for these people without any clear prove, and for these Muqalid they follow their Half Prophets Imam's sayings and not Hadith, thus worshipinmg them

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Abualqamah
10th March 2008, 07:46 PM
Salam aleykum

Here are now scanns of Sarfraz Safdar Khan's book "Kalam Mufid fi Ithbat Taqlid", which is introduced by Taqi Uthmani Sahib

In this book, Sarfraz Khan claimed that Deobandi do not do such a Taqlid that they take the saying of their Imam Mujtahid against clear Quran, Hadith or saying of Sahabah.

Annd he quoted sayings of Shah Waliullah, Shab 'Abdul Aziz and Shah Isma'il

And one can see that Shah Isma'il clearly said that there is some shirk involved in blind Taqlid, and it is to take scholars and priests as Lords...

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Abualqamah
10th March 2008, 08:04 PM
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I will translate insha Allah in some times the sayings of these three Hanafi scholars, and Shah Abul Aziz clearly said it is to take the Imam as a Prophet and Shah Ismail told there is a part of shirk in it.

So saying Quran and Hadith are not Hujjah, only the saying of the Imam is Hujjah is clearly a kind of worship...even if the worshiper does not call this worship...

So Sarfraz Khan tried to deny Deobandi turn away from the Book and the Sunnah, but he said they act with Nusus and follow thier Imam in Qias, so he said in this book that Muqalid do not do Raful Yadaun because of Hadith not because of blind following

He also argued that Taqlid and Ittiba' is the same for Deobandiyah

And tried to attribute this to the school of Deoband

While one can see that Dr Khalid Mahmud gives another view of Taqlid of Deobandiyah...

And many others like Mahmud Hasan Deobnaid, Ludhyanvi clearly said that only the saying of their Imam is Hujjah and not Hadith...

So sayings some kinds of Taqlid are shirk is not an invention of Ahlul Hadith, rather Hanafi scholars say the same

And these are good Hanafis like Shah Waliullah family, ibn Humam, Muhammad Hayat Sindhi, Abul Hasan Kabir Sindhi, Luknawi, Sayed Amir Ali and others...

But for Deobandiyah you can see their state...

As for Sarfraz Khan and claiming to act on Nusus, one can see how he rejects Ahadith that oppose his Madhab, he can weaken a person in a book, and in another use his narration like ibn Ishaq and others, he can tell in some book that Qatadahs' tadlis is Ok and in others weakening a Hadith because of Tadlis of Qatadah...so his claim of following Hadith is just an excuse to hide Ta'asub as he saw that laymen are not ready to accept rejection of Hadith for saying of the Imam...

And these matters will be shown with scanns in due time Insha Allah

Abualqamah
10th March 2008, 08:16 PM
So here are quotes and I hope t bring some canns as well to show Deobandiyah have left obedience to the Prophet (saw), their obedience is to Abu Hanifah, elevating him to the level of Prophets, and seeking judgement to him instead to the Messenger (saw)

These are words of Mahmdudul Hassan Deobandi in taqrir tirmidhi, published by Maktabah Rahmaniya lahore, p 49,

The book taqreer tirmidhi is in the beginning of Sunnan tirmidhi published by this deobandi maktabah and they have after the taqreer sunnan tirmidhi with other sharh from Anwar Shah Kashmiri and other.

But in the Taqreer it is said in chapter Buyu' on the subject on khyar majalis

" What is obtained is that the topic of khyar is among important topics and Abu Hanifa contradicted in it the majority and a lot of people from the first and later generations, they wrote rasail in refutation of his ( Abu Hanifa)'s madhab on this topic and maulana Shah Waliullah Muhadith gave tarjih in his rasail to the madhab of Shafi'i taking evidence from the ahadith and Nusus, and the same our shaykh gave tarjih to his madhab and said the truth and justice in this topic is to give preference to Shafi'i and we are muqalid and the taqleed of our Imam Abu Hanifa is wajib upon us. Allah knows best"


Allah said: “And we have inculcated upon man concerning his parents – his mother bore with weariness upon weariness and his weaning is in two years” Soorah Luqman (31): 14

Shabbir Ahmad Usmani says in the Tafseer of this verse, “The period of weaning according to the majority of the scholars is two years. Imam Abu Haneefah must have some reason with him when he described two and a half years. Tafseer-e-Usmani, (Eng. Trans.) vol.3, p.1797.

Also shaykh Zubayr p 26-27 of his Risalah “ Deen me taqleed ka masalah” quoted more Deobandis saying Hujjah for Muqalid is qawl of his Imam and not Quran and Hadeeth.

There is a Saheeh hadeeth in Two Saheeh saying that one who catches one rek’ah of Subh before Tulu’ of Shams he has caught the Subh, and Mufti Rasheed Ahmad Ludhiyanvi said in this topic :

“ With this our fatwa and action will remain on Qawl of Imam rahimahullah Ta’la, because we are muqalid of Imam rahimahullah Ta’la and for Muqalid the Qawl of Imam is Hujjah and not four Adilah, and istidlal with then ( four Adilah : Quran, Hadeeth, Ijma, Qias) is the Wazeefah of Mujtahid” ( Irshadul Qari ila Saheeh Bukhari p 412)

In the same book p 288, Ludhiyanvi said : “ Ahle Bid’at leave Hanafi fiqh doing istidlal with Quran and hadeeth, and for Arkha ‘Anan we use this Tarz ( doing istidlal with Quran and hadeeth), else for Muqalid only Qawl Imam is Hujjah”

In his Ahsanul Fatawa v 3 p 50, he added : “ We have written this Bahth tabaru’an, else turning to the hadeeth is not the wazeefah on Muqalid”

Qadhi Zahid Al Husayni Deobandi said in introduction of the book “ Wafa Imam Abu Haneefah of Abdel Qayum Haqqani” :

“ While for Muqalid last daleel is Qawl Mujtahid as said in Muthalam At Thuboot : “ As for Muqalid, his base is the saying of mujtahid””

Shaykhul Hind asked Ahlul Hadeeth : “ You ask us a daleel for Wujub of taqleed, and we ask you a sanad for Wujub Itba’ Muhammadi and Wujub Itba’ Qurani” ( Adilah Kamilah p 75)

So one can see true face of majority of Deobandiyah, it is not the false claim of Sarfraz Khan Sahib

Abu Maryam PK
11th March 2008, 06:52 AM
Bismillah
Jazakallahu khaor. Indeed some types of taqlid leads to kufr and shirk. Na'udhubillahi min dhalik

Abualqamah
11th March 2008, 07:44 AM
Salam aleykum

As for Taqi Uthmani, I was surpised to see that he also said in his book on Taqlid that scholars experts can leave their Madhab when they find an authentic Hadith, and he quoted Shah Waliullah, Ibn Salah and NAwawi for this.

Also in his Takmilah Fath Al-Mulhim, he also said on the Hadith of Khyar Majlis that he was not convinced wit Taweelta of Ahnaf and quoted view of Luknawi opting for view of ash-SHafii...

So there seems to be some little goog in this, but it is very rare from Deobandiyah

Abu Maryam PK
11th March 2008, 09:06 AM
BismillahSalam aleykum

As for Taqi Uthmani, I was surpised to see that he also said in his book on Taqlid that scholars experts can leave their Madhab when they find an authentic Hadith, and he quoted Shah Waliullah, Ibn Salah and NAwawi for this.

Also in his Takmilah Fath Al-Mulhim, he also said on the Hadith of Khyar Majlis that he was not convinced wit Taweelta of Ahnaf and quoted view of Luknawi opting for view of ash-SHafii...

So there seems to be some little goog in this, but it is very rare from Deobandiyah

Well if u read al-tahqeeq fi jawab al-taqlid by the takfiri shaykh , sh taqi uthmani only produced half of shah wali ullah's words in his "taqlid" and deliberately hid the rest. I confirmed it myself after reading hujjatullahi balighah. Also he says "if an 'aami could be allowed to leave the opinion of imam when he sees an authentic hadith, it will lead to anarchy". This was shocking to read.
Secondly, i just read something from his takmillah the other day where he said something weird. Atleast it was used for a weirder thing:
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa<wbr>/fatwa.php?askid=4bef1f238544ba<wbr>5d8b688bde180241d1 (http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=4bef1f238544ba5d8b688bde180241d1)
<table align="center" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" height="488" width="90%"><tbody><tr><td colspan="3" class="FacetSeparatorTD">Question</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="FacetAltDataTD"> </td> <td colspan="2" class="FacetAltDataTD">1. Is it possible to use alcohol which is not made from grapes or dates or synthetic flavouring (eg champagne) for cooking purposes.?
2. What is the amount / percentage of alcohol that is found in food (eg soy sauce) that would make its consumption permissible and how do we calculate this?
</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" class="FacetAltDataTD"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" class="FacetSeparatorTD">Answer</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="FacetAltDataTD"> </td> <td colspan="2" class="FacetAltDataTD">In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful <o></o>
Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh <o></o>
1. It is permissible to use alcohol which is not derived from grapes or dates with the following conditions:<o></o>
It is not used as an intoxicant or to an amount which intoxicates<o></o>
It is not used in vain2. The permissibility and impermissibility will differ from person to person as each person’s level to bear the alcohol without getting intoxicated differs. One should avoid using excessive amounts of Alcohol in cooking if there is a doubt of it intoxicating. If there are alternatives available, then they should be adopted to avoid the chances of alcohol leading to intoxication.<o></o>
[I]Al-Bahr al-Ra’iq (8/218) Maktaba Rashidiyya<o></o>
Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya (5/414) Maktaba Rashidiyya<o></o>
Al-Durr al-Mukhtar (6/452) H.M. Saeed
Takmila Fath al-Mulhim (3/338) Dar al-Qalm<o></o>
Ahsan al-Fatawa (8/487) H.M. Saeed<o></o>
- قال الشيخ تقى العثمانى فى تكملة فتح الملهم: القسم الثالث: الأشربة المسكرة الأخرى ، غير الأقسام الأربعة المذكورة ، مثل التمر أو الزبيب المطبوخ أدنى طبخة ، أو عصير العنب المطبوخ الذى ذهب ثلثاه ، وكذلك نبيذ العسل ، والحنطة ، والشعير ، الحبوب الأخرى . وحكم هذا القسم عند أبى حنيفة وأبى يوسف ، رحمهما الله ، أنه لا يحرم منه شرب القليل الذى لا يسكر ، وإنما يحرم منه القدر المسكر.<o></o>
و قال بعد الصفحتين: وبهذا يتبين حكم الكحول المسكرة التى عمت بها البلوى اليوم ، فإنها تستعمل فى كثير من الأدوية والعطور ، والمركبات الأجرى ، فإنها إن اتخذت من العنب أو التمر فلا سبيل إلى حلتها أو طهارتها ، وإن اتخذت من غيرهما فالأمر فيها سهل على مذهب أبى حنيفة رحمه الله تعالى ، ولا يحرم استعمالها للتداوى أو لأغراض مباحة أخرى ما لم تبلغ حد الإسكار ، لأنها إنما تستعمل مركبة مع المواد الأخرى ، ولا يحكم بنجاستها أخذا بقول أبى حنيفة رحمه الله . وأن معظم الكحول التى تستعمل اليوم فى الأدوية والعطور وغيرها لا تتخذ من العنب أو التمر ، إنما تتخذ من الحبوب أو القشور أو البترول وغيره ، كما ذكرنا فى باب بيع الخمر من كتاب البيوع ، وحينئذ هناك فسحة فى الأخذ بقول أبى حنيفة عند عموم البلوى ، والله سبحانة أعلم<o></o>
And Allah knows best<o></o>
Wassalam
Ml. Ehzaz Ajmeri,
Student Darul Iftaa<o></o>
Checked and Approved by:<o></o>
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

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mosa
11th March 2008, 09:37 AM
Assalamu alaikum

what is "asimam deobandi hayaties"?

Abu Maryam PK
11th March 2008, 09:41 AM
Bismillah
I meant askimam.com
its a hayatie deobandi site. Search this site for the difference betweem mamaties and hayaties

safdl
11th March 2008, 11:53 AM
Bismillah

Well if u read al-tahqeeq fi jawab al-taqlid by the takfiri shaykh [its actually a very good response b4 he goes on his takfiri trend], sh taqi uthmani only produced half of shah wali ullah's words in his "taqlid" and deliberately hid the rest. I confirmed it myself after reading hujjatullahi balighah. Also he says "if an 'aami could be allowed to leave the opinion of imam when he sees an authentic hadith, it will lead to anarchy". This was shocking to read.
Secondly, i just read something from his takmillah the other day where he said something weird. Atleast it was used for a weirder thing:
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa<wbr>/fatwa.php?askid=4bef1f238544ba<wbr>5d8b688bde180241d1 (http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=4bef1f238544ba5d8b688bde180241d1)

Salams bro,

I think that above might be related to alcohol in crisps and soft drinks.

In the U.K we have Walkers Crisps, they are by far the market leader and from my personal opinion they make the best crisps. In pakistan i think you call them chips. Walkers themselves say that they use alcohol to preserve some of the flavour and freshness in the foil wrapped packaging and thus it might not be permissible for muslims. This was thoroughly investigated by a muslim council (hanafi) and they concluded that the alcohol was negligent and no where nr the amount needed for intoxication. I think someone might have asked the question on the weight of that and according to hanafi beliefs as the scholar has checked and confirmed we are allowed to consume those food items.

There was also an issue with locuzade, again this is a market leader in the U.K in sports drinks, I dont think you get them in Pakistan or anywhere else. But it was found that they also used alcohol in there soft sports drinks. Again after investigations it was found to be somewhere like 0.03 percent or thereabouts. This wasnt grape alcohol but i think a synthetic one again use to preserve the drink and taste. As above the hanafi madhab permits use of these negligent amounts.