`the trouble with islam`

[Amani]

Astaghrfirullah a so-called muslim has jus published this book, irshad manji, is the woman who refused to go for haj because jews and christians arent allowed in Makkah.
Irshad manji, the idiot claims she believes in the first kalimah, but says A-oozubillah, the Quran is not all rite. Astaghfirullah.
she even said palestine should be given to the jews!
she even wants her satanic words to go to saudi arabia.
People are actually applauding her!
her website:
http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/
oh yeh, and shes also a lesbian!

[abu abdallah]

innaa lillaahi wa-innaa ilayhi raaji3oon... :shock:

Her website is typical of these modern-day murtaddeen, la3natullaahi 'alayhim...

If she were living in a real Islamic state her head would be cut off!

There are plenty of these accursed filthy dogs around, they have one website called "secular Islam"! Containing nothing but mockery and attacks on Islam, the Qur'an, Rasoolullah, and even Allah Himself... astaghfirullah!

Anyway, no doubt these are the "modernist", "moderate" Muslims that America and Europe and all of the other enemies of Allah delight in...

Don't worry too much though, people like the lesbian Irshad Manji and her najis ilk are too low and despicable to achieve anything... I wouldn't be surprised if she is despised by many of the Kuffar too!!! :P

[Abuz Zubair]

as-Salaamu 'Alaikum,

There is little we can do about such people living in the West, and equally, such apostates can do little about the 'Sawad al-Adham' in the West and elsewhere.

However, what we should concentrate on, is making sure that such speech and people are sturnly shunned, excommunicated, and no two Muslims should differ on whether she (and others like her - such as Ali Bhai Brown) are Kuffar.

The reason why I say that, is because due to general ignorance amongst Muslims about issues of apostacy, many Muslims tend to withold from calling a person a Kafir unless he/she explicitly states: "I-AM-A-KAFIR".

Here, we realise one of the many benefits of Takfeer, that it safeguards the Muslim community and its beliefs, and Allah knows best.

was-salaamu 'alaikum

[abu abdallah]

Abuz-Zubayr: jazakallahu khayran, you "hit the nail on the head" as they say...

About "Ali Bhai Brown" or whatever her name is, I agree with you, she is a real shaytaanah, I read one of her articles once and then I sent her an email explaining to her that what she said is all kufr and riddah and she should make tawbah, but I highly doubt that it would have had any effect on her...

Isn't it funny that all of these murtaddeen are largely rejected by the Muslim masses everywhere, and the only ones they can find to defend them are the Kuffar???!!!

[khattab]

wassalaamun aleiqum
i saw that crazy woman on tv, she says she is muslim but she is evil. She doesn`t even worth talking about. :roll:

[Umm]

due to general ignorance amongst Muslims about issues of apostacy, many Muslims tend to withold from calling a person a Kafir unless he/she explicitly states: "I-AM-A-KAFIR".

Good point Masha'Allah Abuz-Zubair.

The trouble with "The Trouble with Islam" by Irshad Minging (as husband calls her):

- It is a cheap trashy novel, yet claims to be a scholarly work
- It is little more than a tabloid journalist wanting to make a quick buck from the tide of Islamophobia
- The author is an apostate lesbian (!!!) ignorant of Islaam
One such example is when she says that a theme in the Qur'an is..
" For all of the contradictions in our holy book, as there are in every other holy book,

She rejects the perfectness of the Qur'an

"there are nonetheless three recurring messages from beginning to middle to end.

The first is, only God knows fully the truth of anything; second God alone can punish disbelief, given that only God knows fully the truth of anything

So this is why in Islam we have the Islamic hudood for stipulating the death penalty for apostacy?

Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims." Bukhari, volume 9, #17

People like her deem this barbaric, but when humans punish for treason against the state [e.g. the USA] with the death penalty, is this barbaric too? Or is it understandable in light of safe-guarding national security?


".. and as a result of those two messages, the third one is that we Muslims have to be open to debate and discussion because we ourselves cannot know fully the truth of anything. That’s why to judge and to say this is the way it must be and anything else makes you non-Muslims, this undermines God’s jurisdiction as a supreme judge and jury. "

So this is why in Islam we have shoorahs, judges, Islamic hudood etc?

She rejects much of the Qur'an, yet slyly comes across as a "modern Muslim"
"I am quite comfortable with the choices I’ve made while still calling myself a Muslim and I believe being true to the essence of the Koran."


I listened to the LBC phone-in and those Muslims who did seek to challenge her - with the exception of one brother Masha'Allah - ended up agreeing with her baatil views, due to their ignoranc of Islam.
They had Khalid from Leicester a "westernised" Muslim who disagreed that the Qur'an was unjust to women, claiming this was all from culture. When she quoted the ayah about men having qawwaamah over the women.. he tells her that he doesn't agree with that concept. Subahanallah, the blind leading the blind. He tries to challenge her, and ends up agreeing with her apostate views!

Much of her transcript of the BBC interview was repeated parrot fashion by her from the LBC phone-in, word for word. I did like this on the BBC however
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/live_events/forums/html/thewindow_v0t1.stm?04/1083169975

Newshost:
Isa, UK: Irshad does not speak Arabic so how can she claim to reinterpret the Koran.

That was a good rhetorical question Masha'Allah. There is little point in phoning/writing and seeking to debate, as they will just cut you off mid-sentence. A poignant statement is much more effective. She could only waffle in reply.

I don’t claim to reinterpret the Koran....I’m asking the person who asked me her question, why is it so unreasonable to suggest that we Muslims ought to rediscover that glorious tradition of independent thought.

wa-salaam,
Umm.

[Amani]

anyone can tell me for definite if theres a fatwa out against her?

[Abuz Zubair]

As-salaamu ‘alaikum wa-rahmatullahi wa-barakaatuh,

JazaakumAllahu Khairan for your reply, and may Allah accept your sincere conduct from you towards your brethren in faith.

Thank you for bringing up the point about Takeer and Riddah, for it is from the most misunderstood aspects of Islam.

The basic principle regarding this issue is that whoever performs a major Shirk or negates from Islam that which is known by necessity (معلوم من الدين بالضرورة), such as permitting alcohol, zina, homosexuality etc, as in the case of this woman, then by merely performing this act the person apostasies from Islam, and is to be called a Kafir/Mushrik. However, he is not to be punished until he is shown the relevant proofs, regardless of whether he understands it or not, and asked to repent; and this is where ‘excuse for ignorance’ (العذر بالجهل) plays its part. In the sense that the punishment is not to be applied until the proofs from the revelation is established against him.

As for him to be called a Kafir/Mushrik, then he is to be called such by him merely performing the action of Kufr, since there is no ‘excuse for ignorance’ (العذر بالجهل) in matters related to Tawheed and Shirk. This is the established opinion amongst the scholars from the past and present, and in particular, amongst the scholars of Najd starting from Sheikh Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahhab until Sheikh Ibn Baz and al-Lajnah al-Da’imah et al.

As for the application of punishment upon the Murtad, then it is beyond us Islamically and practically, as Muslims living in the West. However, it is worth mentioning that carrying out Hudud are from the specialities of the Imam and his deputies, such as a Qadhi, while we have no Imam in the West. Secondly, the Hudud are not to be carried in non-Muslim lands, and thirdly, the Muslims living in the West have an agreement with their authorities that their blood and wealth must be protected, and since there is no betraying of treaties in Islam, it becomes prohibited on Muslims to cheat the Kuffar, or cause any damage to property or life; and Allah knows best.

However, your point about constant bickering and arguing with Kuffar and Munafiqin, I cannot agree with you more. And this is the point I have been trying to get across, that once a person has established with proofs, what is Islam and Kufr, and who is a Muslim or a Kafir, there is no need to go on and on about it. True, such lesbian women posing as Muslims must be exposed, and it must be declared that they are not Muslims, the way we declare that Qadiyanis or NOI are not Muslims. But once, we have declared it with proof, let us now move on and concentrate on things that we are lacking in. How many of us would engage in heated and endless debates about issues that have no practical implications, while we are ignorant of subjects as important as Fiqh of buying and selling, marriage divorce, inheritance, etc that affect our daily lives.

Jazaakum Allahu Khairan for your advice.

Was-salaamu ‘alaikum

[Ghaznavi]

yes modern-Muslim

[Amani]

no offense
muslim brother, but whats with u and india, u`ve wrote that same thing in a couple of posts?