F.A.O. Abu Nihla and Salahudin: Who is the real HT?

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

As-sallamu 'alaikum

I see both you brothers defending the fikr of HT, however Salahudin is HT Abu Rami and he is considered as a 'nakitheen' by those who Abu Nihla is affiliated to and they are considered the 'Group of Zalloum/Zalloumis' by Salahudin!

So will the real HT please stand up!

[Abu Nihla]

It's like asking a Hanbali or a Shafii who is the real Muslim? Splits within groups are something inevitable and there's no sin or shame on it. We have splits even amongst the likes of Hamas i.e. the political wing and the militant wing on issues of principles not-mentioning other groups like the Salafis, Wahabis so i ask who are the real Wahabis...the likes of al-qaida or the likes of Dr Saleh al Fawzaans. Or amongst the Salafis who are the real ones, the Madkhalis or the Bilal Philips e.t.c

Another cheap short

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

It's like asking a Hanbali or a Shafii who is the real Muslim? Splits within groups are something inevitable and there's no sin or shame on it. We have splits even amongst the likes of Hamas i.e. the political wing and the militant wing on issues of principles not-mentioning other groups like the Salafis, Wahabis so i ask who are the real Wahabis...the likes of al-qaida or the likes of Dr Saleh al Fawzaans. Or amongst the Salafis who are the real ones, the Madkhalis or the Bilal Philips e.t.c

Another cheap short

so who is the real HT? according to your group they are nakitheen who don't even deserve salaam (as aqz said) and to them you are the group opf zalloum who follow personality and now the HTB branch are most likely agents of the kuffar (check their site)...

so the question stands....

[Abu Nihla]

That’s the biggest lie camin’ from you ever. Where is a memo that we should not even pass salam to them?

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

That’s the biggest lie camin’ from you ever. Where is a memo that we should not even pass salam to them?


if you don't know then how do you know it is a lie?


The story is mutawatir and infact if you read your own groups books such as the 'Beloved of ALLAH' and the story of HT in al-Quds you would find nabhani had operations such as 'shaking the tree to get rid of useless objects' i.e. getting rid of shabab who are weak and don't follow orders, and nabhani would even ignore shabab as a punishment!

As so we find this to be the norm as we also know of the time when obm split and how salaam to him was not allowed to the extent that some shabab who went to his son's wedding got booted out of ht just for that!

And so you want the proof? salahudeen shall i do the honours or you?

[Salahudin]

Abu Nihla,

Please contact admin via the email address on the hizbuttahrir.org website for material related to the 'split'.

Nepalee,

lets not incite division within the ummah. Our discussions should remain within the boundaries of Islamic ettiquette. This applies to all of us.

As a general note; the Party has many experiences in losing shabab for one reason or another but continues to operate and expand and strengthen.

[Ummatun Wasata]

Abu Nihla,

Please contact admin via the email address on the hizbuttahrir.org website for material related to the 'split'.

Nepalee,

lets not incite division within the ummah. Our discussions should remain within the boundaries of Islamic ettiquette. This applies to all of us.

As a general note; the Party has many experiences in losing shabab for one reason or another but continues to operate and expand and strengthen.

Skin tights, why don't you just admit that you afraid that you might exposed that you don't know nothing about the split, you just a sheep again following blindly with no independent thought of your own and taking stuff like HT used to take political analysis from the Jinn.
Be man admit it, its ok to not know, if you did know you would have jumped at the chance to show who the real HT is.
Lame attempt, saying it’s gonna split the Ummah, when you are the ones labelling some from the Ummah as agents.
Just admit it Sally you don’t know the deal and I might leave you alone.
:D

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

Abu Nihla,

Please contact admin via the email address on the hizbuttahrir.org website for material related to the 'split'.

Nepalee,

lets not incite division within the ummah. Our discussions should remain within the boundaries of Islamic ettiquette. This applies to all of us.

As a general note; the Party has many experiences in losing shabab for one reason or another but continues to operate and expand and strengthen.


salahudin, is that advice for me also to yourself? i.e. will you call abu nihla a member of his Hizb ut-Tahrir or the group of Zalloum?

Will you be advising your members on your own forums to do the same?

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=413

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=255

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=261

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=292

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=297

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=438

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=349

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=382

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org.uk/postnuke/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=383



As for the memo:



Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Raheem

The following is an extract from a fax message from AQZ to a brother in Australia who enquired about what had happened.

AQZ wrote: “The Heads of Fitna have truly committed a crime by conspiring against the Party. Hence, any reconciliation with them is unimaginable. Therefore, they have nothing but rejection, because the horrific crime they had committed necessitates that they are rejected like filth is rejected and that the hand of all the Shabab should be against them. It is forbidden for any of the Shabab to help them or shelter them or support them or stand up for them. Any Shab who helps them, or shelters them, or supports them or stands up for them in any manner whatsoever, then indeed the Curse of Allah and His Wrath will descend upon him on the Day of Judgement and no excuse nor compensation will be accepted from him.”

This message was forwarded to us by this brother and we have it available for those who wish to see it for themselves, lest we are accused yet again of exaggerating or lying.

When I raised the issue with one brother over here, he said that AQZ has his evidence, i.e. he made his own Ijtihad with regard to the permissibility of cursing the Muslims. He also referred to the verse in which Allah (swt) says: T.M.Q. “The curse of Allah is upon the liars.”

What is clear from the Qur'an is that Allah (swt) ordered the Messenger of Allah (saw) to give refuge to the polytheists if they ever sought it so that they listen to the Word of Allah. However, AQZ says it is Haram to help or shelter or support or stands up for any of us.

I heard also that some of them are still referring to us as the Nakitheen. If only they knew the meaning of the word. However, is there anyone from amongst them man enough to discuss with any of us on an intellectual basis?

By the way, my name is ******, a Member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir.

I have hidden the brother's identity but i'm sure you can get confirmation of this and much more from salahudin.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

so the question still stands...who the real HT?

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

Nepalee,

lets not incite division within the ummah. Our discussions should remain within the boundaries of Islamic ettiquette. This applies to all of us.



yes like this:



I think you know it was not Hizb ut-Tahrir but some ex members who continue to call themselves by the same name. I don't know why they don't change their name to better suit their new held views instead of tarnishing the good name of the Party.

great examle mate!

[Salahudin]

yes like this:



great examle mate!

You misunderstood my point (again!). Division in the ummah occurs when, ideas such as nationalism, tribalism, race, or sectarian/ethnic take precedence over the Sharia rulings.

Identifying a group does not cause division and pointing out a reality doesn't cause division either..

[Salahudin]

so the question still stands...who the real HT?

The group that sticks to the principles of the Party, its regulations and rules, such as doubt cannot be taken into Aqeedah, the only Ijma is Ijma as Sahaba or only the sahih or hassan hadith are considered proof for actions.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

The group that sticks to the principles of the Party, its regulations and rules, such as doubt cannot be taken into Aqeedah, the only Ijma is Ijma as Sahaba or only the sahih or hassan hadith are considered proof for actions.
and that is?

[Salahudin]

and that is?

Work it out Sherlock!
I'll give you a clue: http://www.hizbuttahrir.org

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

so www.hizb.org.uk take another ijmaa' other than ijmaa' as-sahaaba(raa), and take doubt into 'aqeedah etc?