Abu Khadeeja's understanding of the verse [Trinidad Conference 07]

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http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?t=11422

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"Muslims cannot be defeated by others. We Muslims are not defeated by our enemies,
but instead, we are defeated by our own selves."

Abdullah Azzam

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as-salaamu alaykum,

what do you find wrong with it akhi?

[anam]

walaykum assalam

his understanding ...

did you click the link?

did you listen to the way the shiekh explained the ayah even though it were brief..

insh Allaah i will add more so we can stop putting the burden and guilt on the layman, Scholor and Mujahids for everything what is happening against the Muslims

but listen to what the shiekh sais insh Allaah to see where he said many misunderstand this verse..

i learned something i never thought of before from that small vid

even if i did think i dont think i would have got it!

may Allah guide the sincere ones
Ameen

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as-salaamu alaykum,

I think what you mean is about ruling by other than Allah. I do get sort of confused over this. I got kitab at tawhid and it seems that Shaykh ul islam muhammad ibn abdul wahab rahimahullah said one who legislates other than Islam is a kafir. Allaahu alim.

[anam]

walaykum assalam

lol did you listen to how the shiek explained...i dont think was anything to do with ruling

its like they say to us for ex..'you guys only think jihad is the solution'

so the opposite is said to them

'you guys think dawah is the only solution'

when both words have the same general meaning

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as-salaamu alaykum,

Yes I think it should be balanced. You dont abstain defending Islam and just halt everything and call people to correct aqeedah. I think you should continue on and also at the same time give dawah. The error of choosing one over the other is like how jamaah tableegh goes about saying 'we must first give dawah to muslims to return them back to the deen before we give dawah to non muslims'. I believe that is a false methodology, we should give dawah to both non muslim and muslims and to ourselves first and foremost. So similarly the lands such as afghanistan and elsewhere should continue to be defended while also calling the people to true aqeedah.

[Anikaa]

This is the same abu khadeejah from troid? Sah?

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i heard he set up SP maybe part of troid too

[Suhaib Jobst]

Yes I think it should be balanced. You dont abstain defending Islam and just halt everything and call people to correct aqeedah. I think you should continue on and also at the same time give dawah. The error of choosing one over the other is like how jamaah tableegh goes about saying 'we must first give dawah to muslims to return them back to the deen before we give dawah to non muslims'. I believe that is a false methodology, we should give dawah to both non muslim and muslims and to ourselves first and foremost. So similarly the lands such as afghanistan and elsewhere should continue to be defended while also calling the people to true aqeedah.

Wa Alaykum as-Salaam,

I agree completely, Jazakallah khair! There are so many priorities but we should know there is no single catch-all solution. Just as the Deen is a comprehensive way of life, our solutions must be comprehensive as well.

So, I would propose that we let those qualified in each field concentrate on their field of specialty. So let the reverts or others who know about the other religions besides Islam and the mentality of non-Muslims, call them to Islam. So let other pious brothers concentrate on calling the lax or backsliding Muslims back to the practice of the Deen.

In both cases, it requires those with alot of knowledge, good character, and a good command of the language or convincing proofs. And those who do not have these three characteristics, can likewise do their part for the Deen. And we should look at a profound hadith of the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam):

"The Believer to another Believer is like a single building, one part supporting the other."

At the same time, no one disputes the defensive Jihad, which is exactly what is occurring throughout much of the Islamic world. So let those who take up the duty to defend the Deen and the lands of the Muslims, do so according to the bounds set by the Shari'a and we support them with whatever we can, whether with du'aa or words or even with the heart.

So know that this Deen is balanced and comprehensive. Know that Allah (Azza wa Jall) created us in different varieties, with each one having strengths which cover up the faults of the other. So we all have our part to do for this blessed Deen. Wa Allahu A'lam.

Wa Alaykum as-Salaam,

Suhaib

[Brother_Mujahid]

Brothers Suhaib Jobst and Ahl as-Sunnah are right here, there is not some one-size-fits-all solution to our current maladies. The Jihadi-types tell us jihad, Hizb at-Tahrir tell us khilafah, Jama'at at-Tabligh says da'wah, the Ikhwan say politics, the Sufis say dhikr and tazkiyyah, the various self-proclaimed Salafi sects each offer their simplistic solutions; it is suffice to say all these groups are right and all of them are wrong. The way to revive and defend Islam in Egypt or Indonesia will be different then what is required to revive and defend Islam in Iraq or Afghanistan, which will be different than what is needed to required to revive and defend Islam in China, America, and the UK. Each challenge facing the Muslims of different localities requires a different approach, wa Allah u'Alim.

[anam]

Brothers Suhaib Jobst and Ahl as-Sunnah are right here, there is not some one-size-fits-all solution to our current maladies. The Jihadi-types tell us jihad, Hizb at-Tahrir tell us khilafah, Jama'at at-Tabligh says da'wah, the Ikhwan say politics, the Sufis say dhikr and tazkiyyah, the various self-proclaimed Salafi sects each offer their simplistic solutions; it is suffice to say all these groups are right and all of them are wrong. The way to revive and defend Islam in Egypt or Indonesia will be different then what is required to revive and defend Islam in Iraq or Afghanistan, which will be different than what is needed to required to revive and defend Islam in China, America, and the UK. Each challenge facing the Muslims of different localities requires a different approach, wa Allah u'Alim.

Brother i aggree with the jist of what was said ,, actually what Ahlul Sunnah said needed no further comment in that respect:

as-salaamu alaykum,

Yes I think it should be balanced. You dont abstain defending Islam and just halt everything and call people to correct aqeedah. I think you should continue on and also at the same time give dawah. The error of choosing one over the other is like how jamaah tableegh goes about saying 'we must first give dawah to muslims to return them back to the deen before we give dawah to non muslims'. I believe that is a false methodology, we should give dawah to both non muslim and muslims and to ourselves first and foremost. So similarly the lands such as afghanistan and elsewhere should continue to be defended while also calling the people to true aqeedah.

So what you said here is spot on and no doubt the brothers from various groups are aware of this:

there is not some one-size-fits-all solution to our current maladies. ''

''Each challenge facing the Muslims of different localities requires a different approach, ''

also what Suhaib mentioned:

Just as the Deen is a comprehensive way of life, our solutions must be comprehensive as well.

Only a jahil would think otherwise ..

so it is also said to this jahil for ex:
'you guys only think jihad is the solution'



when both words have the same general meaning ..i.e dawah and jihad..

so they see the method of jihad greater than that of negotiations and why some Muslims are put off by this i dont know...the unbalance comes when they're called 'jihadis' as if this is all they know or more to the point seperate the Muslims by names as if this were another sect.

Also we can pick out the problems from all various groups yet what is needed most is as Suhaib said:

"The Believer to another Believer is like a single building, one part supporting the other."

nothing is stronger than unity upon truth!



At the same time, no one disputes the defensive Jihad, which is exactly what is occurring throughout much of the Islamic world. So let those who take up the duty to defend the Deen and the lands of the Muslims, do so according to the bounds set by the Shari'a and we support them with whatever we can, whether with du'aa or words or even with the heart.

So know that this Deen is balanced and comprehensive. Know that Allah (Azza wa Jall) created us in different varieties, with each one having strengths which cover up the faults of the other. So we all have our part to do for this blessed Deen. Wa Allahu A'lam.

Wa Alaykum as-Salaam,

Suhaib

Aki nice post mash Allaah , I wanted to pick out where you said : and we support them with whatever we can, whether with du'aa or words or even with the heart.

because wouldn't it be better to join them or should atleast be our intention for when it isn't then how could one even support them by the heart?

Im not trying to be fussy and understand there must be balance but why i started this post was because of a certain dawah given where the verse mentioned is often misunderstood hence being very unbalanced in their approach..so on the recieving end of these lectures you are told in a nut shell that the problems of the Muslim world are yours for ex. or that you should offer more salat and dua so Allah will help your brothers or that its because some muslims dont know where Allah [swt] is or because too much grave worshiping etc...no doubt at this point some will spot where the other extreme lies but my initial reason for starting this post was to combat some of the unjust and unbalanced mindset and dawah coming from those claiming to be 'the true flag bearers of salafiya'

All im saying is some of those who have been consumed with the very thing they were trying to oppose end up as Ahmed Shakir [rh] explained in that they have become frightened to mention certain verse or hadith and even go as far as to twist the meaning or explain in a way unkown to the salaf ..
so it seems a certain hizb mentality has taken a firm root among many in where they place allegience upon what their group or sheikh sais and it is hard to think these hearts are in any way connected with making Allaah's word the highest .


ps..to be fair A/K does mention few hadith that suggest incitment just as many other daees but their general method which they take from few scholors and students is quite different and indeed damaging as we ourselves have witnessed ...
but its almost as if when they teach and see the ayah for Jannah they think it for themselves as if certinity could replace hope and when they recite the verses of hell-fire they will say this is for the kuffar! When they see the verse for action they describe the glorious days of the sahaba as if these verses stopped with them!

Alhamdolillah for the ulema that have spoken out about this dawah even before it became established groups!