Fiqh Of Urinary Incontinence - For Abuz Zubair

[y-mughal]

salaam u alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakathou

akhi I was wondering if you could post/translate the relevant parts (which I hope insha'Allah aren't too long) from the Hanbali Fiqh books (or if anybody would like to contribute from any other Madhab please do so) regarding the Fiqh of someone who dribbles after urinating and leaks very very slightly more or less all the time intermittently and sometimes the leakage is Mathi (pre-seminal fluid) - although it probably doesn't technically come under 'urinary incontinence' but I suspect Islamically from a Fiqhi perspective it will do so.

May Allah reward you.

wasalaam.

[Abuz Zubair]

In Hanbali fiqh, the constant flow of any element, the emission of which breaks one's wudu, comes under dawam al-hadath - or continuity of minor state of impurity, be that element istihadha, urine, blood, pre-seminal fluid, etc.

Two things are wajib on a person affected with this:
i) washing of the part
ii) tying or wrapping something around it to prevent further emission.

If it is wrapped properly and still some of the element is emitted, it isn't obligatory to wash and wrap around it again.

However, if it wasn't wrapped/tied properly but carelessly, and some element is emitted, then one must wash the part again and tie or wrap the part again.

One must also make wudu for every prayer.

This is just the Hanbali madhab, and of course only for information purposes.

If a person is affected by this then he/she should seek a fatwa from a qualified mufti with respect to his/her particular situation.

[asharee_salafi]

Abuz Zubair,

Assalamulekum,

What is this concept that only small najis can be over looked, for instance some men after holding their water in, can feel some small discharge coming through of urine, and when theyy see it, it is only less then a drop. Is that regarded as najis?

Also, if someone suffers from the urinary problem , he doesn't have to, aswell as doing wudu after each pray period arrives, have to clean his clothes, because thats practicaly impossible is it not?

Also, you say that one needs to renew their wudu after each pray time, but isn't this the same ruling as when blood comes out of a woman? Isn't their ikhtilaf about doing wudu aftr each prayer time, I know one bro who suffers from OCD, and his sheikh told him, ( even though he didn't fully realise how severe his condition was) that you should do just one wudu that's it.

WS

[Abuz Zubair]

If someone has problems with waswas, he shouldn't worry about little drops coming out.

If it happens once in a blue moon that urine drop comes out and contaminates ones garment, then that must be washed. Small amount of urine is not to be looked over in Hanbali Fiqh.

Yes, if someone has urinary problem, AND he covers/wraps it with something or wears some sort of undergarment for that purpose, and then if some urine comes out then no problems.

I know about te difference of opinion, though I dont know which is stronger/weaker. I am just relating what the Madhab says and not giving fatwa.

[y-mughal]

I was flicking through a translation of the book 'Al Ahkaam wal Fataawaa as Shar'iyyah li Katheerin minal Massailit Tibbiyyah' - 'Guidelines & Fataawa Related to Sickness and Medical Practice' and under Purification there is a question regarding 'Delusion Regarding Urine' as follows -

Q) Whenever I finish urinating, some drops come out, and this sickness has been with me for 5 months. I have been to hospitals without any improvement. I perform prayers like this, but should I go on praying or not? What do I do? Please guide me, may Allah reward you.

A) Dear Brother, you must take extra care in your purification, by performing ablution before the time of Salaat enters by half an hour. Secondly, after urinating, you should always wash your private parts with cold water, because it stops the urination and helps in stopping the urine and in preventing drops from coming out.

But if the drops are as a result of delusion, illusion or doubt, you should always pour some water on your pants/trousers after Al-Istinjaa (cleaning oneself with water) so that Satan would not put you in doubt when you see moisture to think that it is urine, since it is clear now that the moisture is from the water you poured on the cloth.

If, on the other hand, this sickness you are complaining about involves incessant urinating or dripping of urine, never ceasing for a period of time, then it is Salisul-Baul (incontinence of urine), the ruling of which is that of one whose impurity is permanent, he should not perform ablution until the time for prayer is due, that he perorms ablution for each prayer, and there is no problem even if the urine comes out after he has performed ablution at the time, even if it touched his cloth, after he has done his best to control it and remain clean, Allah knows best.

Shaikh Ibn Jibreen (end of fatawa/quote)

Also I have read from askimam a similar answer and also from islamweb just to get another viewpoint but then also have read different answers from the same websites and also from islam-qa saying that if the garment is soiled it must be purified if thats within the persons capacity and also the person must put something there to contain the impurity and re-new his wudhu for every prayer when the time of prayer enters. The askimam site also gives an answer that - http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=7821 "...if the drops of urine exceed the hollow of one’s palm, it will be necessary to wash the garment before performing Salaat with them. However, if the drops are lesser than the hollow of one’s palm, it will be correct to perform Salaat in them but Makrooh (disliked)..."I wonder where this principle of 'hollow of ones palm' is derived from? Can impurity be overlooked in certain circumstances for people suffering from medical issues such as dribbling etc?
It always seems to confuse me when you see so many conflicting answers for the same question for the layman like myself.