"One black Indian dog"

[C47]

Asalamualykum,

Any brothers living in India please verify the information in the post below.

Secondly, as for the title of this post, it is not me calling Zakariyah Kandhalvi a "black indian dog". It is something Zakariyah Kandhalvi liked to refer to himself as. If this is false, please correct me. Apologies in advance.

‘One black Indian dog (Moulana Zakariyah Kandhalvi) also sends his salaams.’
Savaneh Muhammad Yousuf, p.132. (India – Maktabaa Taalifaat Ashrafeeyah) 1304 H.

Allah Hafiz

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[C47]

“From my last trip to India: Photos of the grave of founder of Jamaa’at ut-Tableegh, Muhammad Ilyaas al-Kandehlaawee”

Here we have the grave of Muhammad Ilyaas within the Masjid Nizaam ad-Deen in India. This presence of the grave within the mosque is denied by many who are part of the Tableeghee sect, especially Arabs who members of Jamaa’at at-Tableegh. The grave is present inside the mosque on the right side.

Firstly: Who is Muhammad Ilyaas:
He is the Muhammad Ilyaas al-Kandehlawi (1303H-1364H). He is the founder of the
innovated, deviated sect ‘Jamat at-Tabligh’. He was bon in Kandehla, a village from the villages of Saharnafur in India. His early studies were done in that village, then he left for Dehli where he completed his studies at the school of Deoband, the largest and most infamous school of the Hanafis in the Indian Sub-continent, established in 1283H/1867C.

- He took his first studies from his older brother, ‘Shaikh’ Muhammad Yahyah, who was a teacher at the Madrassah Muzaahir al-‘Uloom in Saharnafur.

- ‘Shaikh’ Rasheed Ahmad al-Kankoohee (1829-1905C). Muhammad Ilyaas gave him the pledge of soofee allegiance, or bai’ah, in the year 1315H.

- He renewed his bai’ah to ‘Shaikh’ Khaleel Ahmad as-Saharnafuree.

- He connected himself to ‘Shaikh’ Abdur-Raheem ar-Ra’eefooree and ‘benefitted’ from his knowledge and cultivation.

- He took some his sciences of the religion from ‘Shaikh’ Ashraf ‘Ali at-Tahaaniwee (1280-1364H/1863-1943H) and he is called by them ‘hakeemul-ummah’, or ‘the wise man of the ummah’!

- He took from ‘Shaikh’ Mahmood Hasan (1268-1339H/1851-1920H). He is from the ‘great scholars’ of the Deobandee school and from the ‘shaikhs’ of the Tablighi
Jamaat.

Secondly: Here are the pictures of the Nizaam ad-Deen Mosque from the outside:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7520/14jr0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Here are pictures of the inside of the mosque.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/3861/26429717jn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Inside the Mosque, I requested from the translator to ask concerning the grave of Muhammad Ilyaas. When he asked one of those present, he responded immediately, “Moulana Muhammad Ilyaas”. Then he went with us to the grave.

This is a photo of the wall of the grave.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8862/74392178ie5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is a photo of the window leading to the grave. It faces the wudhoo (ablution) facility.

If you look in through this window, then one is able to see the tomb and grave with ease.

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4237/56533736qt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

When I asked whether the window could be opened, the translator responded, “No. However here, right in front of it, is the place of supplication only.”

From a SP Document

[junaid123]

“From my last trip to India: Photos of the grave of founder of Jamaa’at ut-Tableegh, Muhammad Ilyaas al-Kandehlaawee”

Here we have the grave of Muhammad Ilyaas within the Masjid Nizaam ad-Deen in India. This presence of the grave within the mosque is denied by many who are part of the Tableeghee sect, especially Arabs who members of Jamaa’at at-Tableegh. The grave is present inside the mosque on the right side.



ohhh u liar , did u get virus from abualqamah or what?

who said the graves are in the mosque?

why do u lie? havén´t u seen a white line? and didn´t u ask why there is that line? didn´t u ask why schoalrs says, when u enter this line u have top read dua of entiring mosque?

the grave wasn´t in the mosque. and the line is still there to show the part of mosque.



If you look in through this window, then one is able to see the tomb and grave with ease.

When I asked whether the window could be opened, the translator responded, “No. However here, right in front of it, is the place of supplication only.”


when he was not able to see inside the room, how he knows there is a tomb!



This is a photo of the window leading to the grave. It faces the wudhoo (ablution) facility.



from this statement u will understand what i meant with white lines. the grave is at the end of mosque side, where people use to do wudhu. and its not withing prayer area which is accounted as mosque.

If u were not them, then dont believe blindly such rubbish articles.

[junaid123]

As we are on the topic of grave in mosque, let talk about it.

as i allready said the case with this graves in the mosque compund also as same story of masjide nabawi mosque. there was need for place so they build the whole mosque compund.

ur answer was i am comparing the SPECIAL grave of prophet mohammad and the mosque.

ok i agree the grave of prophet mohammad(sw) in the mosque is special case. but why didn´t tehy dug the graves of hazrat abu baqr(rd) and umar(rd) and buried their bodies out of the mosque??

since when they become special!

the matter is not having the graves in mosque but worshiping the graves. and nobody worship the graves of prophet mohammad(sw) or hazrat abu baqr(rd) and hazrat omar(rd) and the grave of sheikh ilyas allthough thier graves are in mosque compund.

[C47]

ohhh u liar , did u get virus from abualqamah or what?



i am disappointed at your behaviour, backbiting is a sin

You should repent to Allah...

i would rather trust an SP brother over this junaid123 kid

any other brother here who can enlighten me?

[C47]

As we are on the topic of grave in mosque, let talk about it.

as i allready said the case with this graves in the mosque compund also as same story of masjide nabawi mosque. there was need for place so they build the whole mosque compund.

ur answer was i am comparing the SPECIAL grave of prophet mohammad and the mosque.

ok i agree the grave of prophet mohammad(sw) in the mosque is special case. but why didn´t tehy dug the graves of hazrat abu baqr(rd) and umar(rd) and buried their bodies out of the mosque??

since when they become special!

the matter is not having the graves in mosque but worshiping the graves. and nobody worship the graves of prophet mohammad(sw) or hazrat abu baqr(rd) and hazrat omar(rd) and the grave of sheikh ilyas allthough thier graves are in mosque compund.

once again if you want to discuss graves in masajid then plz open another thread. dont divert the topic here.

although i dont know why it is so hard anyway for you to understand that issue
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=105379&postcount=94

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=105382&postcount=95

if you have any problems plz start another thread.

[junaid123]

i am disappointed at your behaviour, backbiting is a sin

You should repent to Allah...

i would rather trust an SP brother over this junaid123 kid

any other brother here who can enlighten me?

who trust a document blindly how can anybody enlighten him!

[hifdh]

who is the SP bro who wrote it, I have a feeling I know him...

[Adeel]

As we are on the topic of grave in mosque, let talk about it.

as i allready said the case with this graves in the mosque compund also as same story of masjide nabawi mosque. there was need for place so they build the whole mosque compund.

ur answer was i am comparing the SPECIAL grave of prophet mohammad and the mosque.

ok i agree the grave of prophet mohammad(sw) in the mosque is special case. but why didn´t tehy dug the graves of hazrat abu baqr(rd) and umar(rd) and buried their bodies out of the mosque??

since when they become special!

the matter is not having the graves in mosque but worshiping the graves. and nobody worship the graves of prophet mohammad(sw) or hazrat abu baqr(rd) and hazrat omar(rd) and the grave of sheikh ilyas allthough thier graves are in mosque compund.

Do read the tremendous book of Sheikh Albani on this issue and you will know that there was not even a single companion alive at the time when it was taken inside the Masjid. If you are in Pakistan you will only get this book from any Salafi maktaba just for Rs.40!

[Adeel]

Is'nt there a grave in Jamia binoria?

[junaid123]

Do read the tremendous book of Sheikh Albani on this issue and you will know that there was not even a single companion alive at the time when it was taken inside the Masjid.

ayna salafia dawah that time?

[hshad]

OK, I will take the opinion that the grave is outside the mosque, and that nobody worships the grave or prays in a mosque that has a grave in it. But, two questions arise:

1) Why wasn't he buried in a graveyard?
2) Going by the picture, doesn't it look like something has been erected on or around the grave? Isn't there a piece of cloth ("chaadar") on the grave? Will junaid agree that all these are bid'aat?

[junaid123]

1) Why wasn't he buried in a graveyard?

why wasn´t abu baqr(rd) and umar(rd) burried in jannatul baqi?

2) Going by the picture, doesn't it look like something has been erected on or around the grave? Isn't there a piece of cloth ("chaadar") on the grave? Will junaid agree that all these are bid'aat?

akhi where have u seen a grave in that picture? there is no pic of grave. and the 3rd pic whihc u think is grave , is not a grave. its picture of a man who is giving bayan in the mosque. very bad quality of that pics, u r thinking its grave and there is chaadar! there are some bags and some brother took that pic behind from those bags. and the black colour u can see , is used by the producer of this pic thus people can not see the pic of man. What a big missunderstanding people think that is grave and a man behind him giving bayan. those peopel who have never been in nizamuddin will say: its grave allthouhg its a door! and between the door people keep their bags!

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as-salaamu alaykum

I know without a doubt having graves in the masajid is haram, however could there possibly be a difference if the masajid is separated from the tomb by a wall or something like the case with our Nabi salalahu alayhi wa salam? I would like someone like abuz zubayr or umm abdullah to please show the fiqh of this matter. Jazakallah khayr

wasalaam

[C47]

the original pictures are not as bad....i had to make them shorter

i think the better ones are here:
http://www.box.net/shared/20z5byv8kc

secondly the third picture is a picture of the building from outside

[junaid123]

secondly the third picture is a picture of the building from outside

i meant the 5th one.

dont know why i cant edit. about which brother was talking .(chadaar)

[hshad]

Ok, thanks for clarifying. Just remember to always call for Tawheed and attack bid'aat that are next to shirk.

[junaid123]

Ok, thanks for clarifying. Just remember to always call for Tawheed and attack bid'aat that are next to shirk.

absolute akhi, no doubt. may allah give us tawfiq.