Questions on Tasawwuf/Sufism

[C47]

Asalamualaykum,

I came across this audio tape. Very informative. Hope it clears the whole issue on how coool the Deobandi really are.

I also heard Sh. Merj Rabbani's tapes through Allahuakbar.net about Tableegh Jamaat. Thats when I left the Tableegh Jamaat (with a couple of other minor reasons as well). This one seems to be the latest.

Part - 1 (right click and save-as)
http://www.quransunnah.com/modules.php?name=Lectures&d_op=getram&lid=273

Part - 2 (right click and save-as)
http://www.quransunnah.com/modules.php?name=Lectures&d_op=getram2&lid=532

Interestingly there is a story mentioned by the speaker where he says:

Ashraf Ali Thanwi writes in a book (Karamat ul Imdadiyah) that Junaid Al-Baghdady (RA) cast a glance (or concentrated look) at a street dog, and the street dog became a Wali. LOL

Then this street dog runs around and other dogs that this "wali" dog looks at also become Walis.

Honestly whats with special attachment to dogs in deobandism.

Sh. Rabbani also explains why these Tableeghes go out in groups and other weird things they do

He exposes writings of Noor Muhammed, Haji Imdadullah Makki, Ashraf Ali Thanwi and last but not least Zakariyah Khandlavi (author of Fazail-e-Amaal).

Unfortunately this audio is in Urdu. I really wished my Muslim brothers in American could listen to this, who have to survive the attack of deobandi propaganda.

Allah Hafiz

C47

[junaid123]

Interestingly there is a story mentioned by the speaker where he says:

Ashraf Ali Thanwi writes in a book (Karamat ul Imdadiyah) that Junaid Al-Baghdady (RA) cast a glance (or concentrated look) at a street dog, and the street dog became a Wali. LOL

please quote the page number and the publishers of that book also.

Sh. Rabbani also explains why these Tableeghes go out in groups and other weird things they do

they go in group, because prophet(sw) said to go outside in a group otherwisee shaitan is with that person. and write also the weird things in details.

[Adeel]

they go in group, because prophet(sw) said to go outside in a group otherwisee shaitan is with that person. and write also the weird things in details.

Do you know what khurooj is and when it is allowed?!

[junaid123]

Do you know what khurooj is and when it is allowed?!
no brother. tell us.

[C47]

they go in group, because prophet(sw) said to go outside in a group otherwisee shaitan is with that person. and write also the weird things in details.

oh and plz provide reference for that....... as you know soo many sahih hadith .... i will be glad to learn

why dont you listen to it if you are soooo interested? are you afraid you will give in? or is it you do not understand the language?

[junaid123]

oh and plz provide reference for that....... as you know soo many sahih hadith .... i will be glad to learn

why dont you listen to it if you are soooo interested? are you afraid you will give in? or is it you do not understand the language?


i dont liek to hear schoalrs who are busy with backbitting and never talk face to face.

[junaid123]

oh and plz provide reference for that....... as you know soo many sahih hadith .... i will be glad to learn


i never claim to knwo so many hadiths:

Sunan Abu Dawud :

Book 14, Number 2601:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: A single rider is a devil, and a pair of riders are a pair of devils, but three are a company of riders.

Book 14, Number 2602:

Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: When three are on a journey, they should appoint one of them as their commander.

Book 14, Number 2603:

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: When three are on a journey, they should appoint one of them as their commander. Nafi' said: We said to AbuSalamah: You are our commander.

[C47]

the speaker mentions how one sahabi was sent to madina to teach quran - alone.........

are you suggesting the devil was with that Sahabi and the Prophet (saw) was wrong to do that?

the three hadith that you mentioned are under the section of Jihad. now why would you cover up such an essential fact? hmmmmmm......

need I say more......

[C47]

i see..........still no reply.

also plz reconsider what to intend to say by posting those hadith. they do not support the idea of leaving for dawah in groups, rather they talk about an expedition for Jihad.


The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: A single rider is a devil, and a pair of riders are a pair of devils, but three are a company of riders.


plz also remember that when the Prophet (PBUH) and Abu Bakr (RA) left for Madina......they were two in number.

another story the speaker mentions:


a group of brahmans were passing by noor muhammed's village and noor muhammed asked them where they were going. they said they were going for ganga ashnan {some hindu ritual in ganges river}. so noor muhammed said take this vessel of mine and tell ganga(the hindu goddess), "to give noor muhammed some water in the vessel"

the brahmans confused went for their ritual and then performed it. then they went in the river and asked ganga for water in noor mohammed's vessel. then a beautiful hand of ganga with henna on it appeared out of water and then took noor mohammed's vessel and filled water in it.
(mashaikh-e-chist by zakariyah khandlavi)


approval of existance of a hindu diety???? its not that surprising that deobandis would resort to such things. such things have also been found in barelawi books.

[junaid123]

Ashraf Ali Thanwi writes in a book (Karamat ul Imdadiyah) that Junaid Al-Baghdady (RA) cast a glance (or concentrated look) at a street dog, and the street dog became a Wali. LOL

Then this street dog runs around and other dogs that this "wali" dog looks at also become Walis.


doesnt say wali anywhere and this translation is from an anti deobandi so where did c47 get wali from?

the story is relating to junaid baghdadi r.a, who wasnt deobandi, why does maulana ashraf ali have to lie about him??

[junaid123]

the speaker mentions how one sahabi was sent to madina to teach quran - alone.........


is their any prohibition to walk in a group?

[C47]

doesnt say wali anywhere and this translation is from an anti deobandi so where did c47 get wali from?

the story is relating to junaid baghdadi r.a, who wasnt deobandi, why does maulana ashraf ali have to lie about him??

oh really??

first of all, this is being related by a speaker who happens from People of Knowledge, so do not make it sound as if I am producing such passages.

secondly, if your book is anti-deobandi, you are not really helping in solving this issue. Go get a the book from a "trusted" publishers. this shows how much deobandis take care in learning of religion....sheesh

third, can you scan the that page (story) and front cover of book and post it here, nevertheless

finally no-one said Junaid al-Baghdadi (RA) was a deobandi or bad......

[C47]

is their any prohibition to walk in a group?

so i believe you have dropped the idea that going out for dawah in a group is Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH)

[junaid123]

so i believe you have dropped the idea that going out for dawah in a group is Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH)

how many people must be there to call a group?

[junaid123]

hazrat azim ibn umar(rd) said : prophet (sw) send 6 people to the volk of aml and qarra. (fathul qadir), (iza latal khafa.)

prophet mohammad(sw , abu baqr(rd) hazratali(rd) 3 people to shayfan ibnu salafa.( tabari: 1 part 197,2nd part 317)

hazrat al aqra ibnul haris(rd) with 10 people (majmuatul wasaik 133-137,) ibn sayad part 1st 294-95) ibn ishak 631

hazrat muhai isa bin masud(rd) with 5 people (ibn sayad part 3 p :15)

hazrat jaz ibn hadrajan(rd) with 21 people( tabari part 3 p:311)

jaid ibn harisah (rd) with 15 people (tabari part 3 p: 122) (ibn sayad, part 1 p: 331)

the list goes on....

[C47]

well the point is that it is not practising the sunnah to go out in groups for dawah, one can go alone as well

if a ppl make a group and go, then there is no special reward as such for that action

thats what the speaker was talking about

once again, the speaker meant that:

there is no basis in shariah that one must go in groups for dawah

[junaid123]

well the point is that it is not practising the sunnah to go out in groups for dawah, one can go alone as well


he did both. alone and also in group. so both is sunnah. no one denies that u cant go alone.

if a ppl make a group and go, then there is no special reward as such for that action

but u have profit. if u r alone and walking through the street many kind of thinking will come in ur mind. but if u r jamah then its helps to be concentred.And if anybody dont know any answer, another brother from jamah can help him.

there is no basis in shariah that one must go in groups for dawah

allready answered above.

[C47]

he did both. alone and also in group. so both is sunnah. no one denies that u cant go alone.



right, neither has been preffered by the Prophet (saw).

and im not saying going alone is sunnah as well. there is no preffered way.

and give me a proper full hadith from where is specifically says that one should go out for dawah alone or groups?

it should mention dawah

[junaid123]

and give me a proper full hadith from where is specifically says that one should go out for dawah alone or groups?



its better if u ask scholars face to face for hadiths and other things. u told, u were with tablighis, so ask the schoalrs who spend time with them. :)

[C47]

its better if u ask scholars face to face for hadiths and other things. u told, u were with tablighis, so ask the schoalrs who spend time with them. :)

they dont know. i guess you dont know either.

[junaid123]

they dont know. i guess you dont know either.

are u kidding me? dont judge others like u think how u r.

and dont lie, allah knows whom u asked. and how many schoalrs u asked.

[C47]

well its not in the Fazael-e-amaal book? how the hell do you expect the tableeghes to know anyway...

the point is that being in a group isnt superior or recommended (over being alone) such that it will fetch more rewards.....

[junaid123]

well its not in the Fazael-e-amaal book? how the hell do you expect the tableeghes to know anyway...

the point is that being in a group isnt superior or recommended (over being alone) such that it will fetch more rewards.....


total out of topic and no sense regarding last post.

[C47]

total out of topic and no sense regarding last post.

i guess you had nothing to say, so just posted some random rant

[junaid123]

i guess you had nothing to say, so just posted some random rant

i had to say but i forgot. and it was:

“Iza Khataba humul jahiloona qaloo salama”. The mark of a man of faith is that when an ignorant man enters into an argument, he says “Salam” (May peace be on you).

[C47]

Working Links

Part 1
http://www.quransunnah.com/darsnew/rabbani4/SawaalaatOnTasawwufInDubaiMR1.rm

Part 2
http://www.quransunnah.com/darsnew/rabbani4/SawaalaatOnTasawwufInDubaiMR2.rm

[C47]

i had to say but i forgot. and it was:

“Iza Khataba humul jahiloona qaloo salama”. The mark of a man of faith is that when an ignorant man enters into an argument, he says “Salam” (May peace be on you).


reference?

[junaid123]

reference?

read quran.

[C47]

read quran.

lol

i do. i just cheking you lvl of knowledge.

[junaid123]

1st verse:
‏5:67
ياايها الرسول بلغ ماانزل اليك من ربك وان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من الناس ان الله لايهدي القوم الكافرين ‏‏

O Messenger. proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith.


[الَّذِينَ يُبَلِّغُونَ رِسَالـتِ اللَّهِ وَيَخْشَوْنَهُ وَلاَ يَخْشَوْنَ أَحَداً إِلاَّ اللَّهَ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ حَسِيباً - مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَآ أَحَدٍ مّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَـكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَىْءٍ عَلِيماً ]


(39. Those who convey the Message of Allah and fear Him, and fear none save Allah. And sufficient is Allah as a Reckoner.)

[junaid123]

the point is that being in a group isnt superior or recommended (over being alone) such that it will fetch more rewards.....

well prophet(sw) gave dawah by having hazrat ali(rd),hazrat abu baqr(rd) [ ibn sayad, tabaqat, part 1 page 219]

doing any amal in ijtemai is better then doing inferadi.

[Al-Hanbali]

May Allah reward those who expose these innovators and may Allah guide those who are misguided by them and defend them.