Saudi [Apostate] king calls for end to Islamic extremism

[Mustafa al-Muhaajir]

Saudi king calls for end to Islamic extremism

By DONNA ABU-NASR

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Islam must do away with the dangers of extremism and present the religion's positive message, Saudi King Abdullah said Wednesday as he opened a conference of Muslim figures aimed at launching a dialogue with Christians and Jews.

The three-day gathering in the holy city of Mecca seeks a unified Muslim voice ahead of the interfaith dialogue. In particular, Saudi Arabia hopes to promote reconciliation between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

"You have gathered today to tell the whole world that ... we are a voice of justice and values and humanity, that we are a voice of coexistence and a just and rational dialogue," Abdullah told the 500 Muslim delegates from 50 Muslim nations in his opening speech.

Abdullah walked into the conference hall Wednesday with powerful Iranian politician Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who later sat on the king's left on the stage, sending a message that the Sunni kingdom does not have a problem with moderate Shiites like him.

Saudi Arabia and mainly Shiite Iran are seen as top rivals for influence in the Middle East, standing on opposite sides of political divides in Lebanon, Iraq and the Palestinian territories.

Moreover, Saudi Arabia's official Wahhabi interpretation of Islam considers Shiites as infidels — and days ahead of Wednesday's gathering a number of hardline Wahhabi clerics issued a statement harshly condemning Shiites and Iran.

Abdullah announced in March that he wanted to sponsor an interfaith dialogue between the world's monotheistic religions — specifically including Jews. It was the first such initiative from a nation with no diplomatic ties to Israel and a ban on non-Muslim religious services and symbols.

He said Wednesday that the Islamic world faces difficult challenges from the extremism of some Muslims, whose aggressions "target the magnanimity, fairness and lofty aims of Islam."

"That's why (the conference) invitation was extended — to face the challenges of isolation, ignorance and narrow horizons, so that the world can absorb the good message of Islam," he said.

Rafsanjani praised Abdullah, saying, "Our brothers in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia ... have presented a great message to all humanity in the world."

"Before we speak with other religions, we must speak among ourselves and reach an understanding on a particular Islamic path," he said, calling for greater understanding between Sunnis and Shiites.

"We should support each other ... not weaken each other or sully each other's reputation," he said. "As a Muslim and a Shiite and an expert in Islamic issues ... I tell you that there are many things in common (between us) and there's no need to look at differences."

Participants say they hope the gathering will culminate in an agreement on a global Islamic charter on dialogue with Christians and Jews. They expect Saudi Arabia will launch its formal call for an interfaith dialogue at the conference's close or soon after.

Abdullah's message, which has been welcomed by Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders, is significant.

The Saudi monarch is the custodian of Islam's two holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina, a position that lends his words special importance and influence. Abdullah said Saudi Arabia's top clerics have given him their approval — crucial backing in a society that expects decisions taken by its rulers to adhere to Islam's tenets.

It remains unclear who will participate in the second phase of the initiative, in particular whether Israeli religious leaders would be invited. The kingdom and all other Arab nations except Egypt and Jordan do not have diplomatic relations with Israel and generally shun unofficial contacts.


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[Abu Talhah]

When will this maggot die?

[Nu7]

This is just humiliating.

[WM]

When will this maggot die?

I bet that's what his successor is wondering too ;)

[Nu7]

Does he have three sons? If he does, then let us hope that they are the ones who will fight for power right before the coming of the Mahdi!!

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

I bet that's what his successor is wondering too ;)

Well played. :-)

[Um Abdullah M.]

When will this maggot die?

when Allah willed for him to die.

Let us worry about our ownselves, we could die any day, have we prepared for our death, may Allah forgive our sins and have mercy on our souls.

[intheheartofgreenbirds]

when Allah willed for him to die.

Let us worry about our ownselves, we could die any day, have we prepared for our death, may Allah forgive our sins and have mercy on our souls.

I was wondering when someone was going run to the rescue of this taghoot..

AMEEN!

[Nu7]

when Allah willed for him to die.

Let us worry about our ownselves, we could die any day, have we prepared for our death, may Allah forgive our sins and have mercy on our souls.

Sister, what is wrong with people wanting this guy to be removed from his position?

[Um Abdullah M.]

he asked when he is going to die
I answered that he is going to die when Allah willed for him to die
is my answer wrong?

to be removed from power is different than to wish for death, why don't we ask for his hidayah instead ?

[Um Abdullah M.]

I was wondering when someone was going run to the rescue of this taghoot..

AMEEN!

rescue him from what? :confused:
death?

I jsut believe that many waste too much time worrying about what kind Abdullah said, what he said won't benefit me much nor harm me.
so why worry about what he said?

[Hamza]

Because they are oppressors, they deserve the wrath of Allah swt.

[Abu wakee]

How do you know you're safe from it?

[Hamza]

And where did we suggest we are safe?

Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end.

We do not have a personal thought except that [it is on the Way] of the Righteous Predecessors - may Allaah be pleased with them all - the followers of the 'Aqeedah of Al-Firqah An-Naajiah (i.e. the Saved Sect), and Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama'ah. We emphasise Tawheed and its implications, rights and strongest bonds, as well as confronting all types of Shirk; especially the contemporary [forms of] Shirk, with its Kufr manifestations.

We also hold fast to the middle path, the path of the earliest people of this Ummah, without inclination from the way of the Believers towards extremism or negligence. The distinguishing feature of our Da'wah is the public declaration and adoption of the Creed of Ibraheem ('alayhis-salaam), by disclosing Al-Baraa' towards the Kuffaar and (all) their false deities and creeds.

- From Shaykh Abu Muhammed al-Maqdisi's interview behind the apostates' bars.

[Hamza]

rescue him from what? :confused:
death?

I jsut believe that many waste too much time worrying about what kind Abdullah said, what he said won't benefit me much nor harm me.
so why worry about what he said?

I see your point, fair enough but reminded of:

The task of the Believers is to fulfil their obligation, and their obligation is to choose Allah, prefer belief over life, raise themselves above persecution through faith, and to testify to Allah with deed as well as intention. Then it is up to Allah to deal with them and with their enemies, with His Religion and His Call, as He deems proper. He may choose for them any one of the endings known in history, or some other ending which only He knows and sees.

They are workers for Allah. Whenever, whatever, however He wants them to do their work, they should do it and take the known reward. To decide what will be the ending of their endeavor is neither in their power nor is it their responsibility. This is the responsibility of the One in authority, not of those who are mere workers.

Syed Qutb

[Logic lover]

What King Abdullah does may effect many Muslims. Don't forget, he assumes the title of 'the custodian of the holy places'.

That concerns you and me.

[Hamza]

Exactly it should be of great concern to us that the ruler of the most wealthy, powerful Islamic nation is basically a enemy of Allah.

[Um Abdullah M.]

What King Abdullah does may effect many Muslims. Don't forget, he assumes the title of 'the custodian of the holy places'.

That concerns you and me.

it doesn't unless ur living in Saudi Arabia
He only rules in KSA

[Logic lover]

It seems that you are concerned about the fact that other people are discussing about him. Do you live in Saudi?

And you have advised on this thread to pray for his guidance instead of criticising him. Why is that?

[Um Abdullah M.]

It seems that you are concerned about the fact that other people are discussing about him. Do you live in Saudi?

not really.
and yes I live in Saudi Arabia, but I don't bother reading or hearing what the king says, because I don't have time to hear what he says, and it doesn't affect my life, nor does it harm me if I didn't hear what he says,
and there are more important things for me to worry about, and spend my time doing.


And you have advised on this thread to pray for his guidance instead of criticising him. Why is that?

where did I say dont' critisize him?
and what is wrong with asking Allah to guide him instead of worrying about when he will die?

I was saying to make duaa Allah guide him instead of wishing for his death, I didn't say to ask for his guidance instead of critisizing him.

[Logic lover]

Quote:

''yes I live in Saudi Arabia, but I don't bother reading or hearing what the king says, because I don't have time to hear what he says, and it doesn't affect my life, nor does it harm me if I didn't hear what he says''

Reply:

You must be aware of the obligation to hear and obey. The issue of allegiance comes into it as well.

[Abu Maysara]

Um Abdullah M.
and yes I live in Saudi Arabia, but I don't bother reading or hearing what the king says, because I don't have time to hear what he says, and it doesn't affect my life, nor does it harm me if I didn't hear what he says,
and there are more important things for me to worry about, and spend my time doing.

of course it doesnt bother you that the brothers running to the defense of Ahl AsSunnah in Iraq are being jailed and at the same time the americans are living a happy life in ksa..that doesnt bother you obviously

Originally Posted by Logic lover http://forums.islamicawakening.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showthread.php?p=110789#post110789)
What King Abdullah does may effect many Muslims. Don't forget, he assumes the title of 'the custodian of the holy places'.

That concerns you and me.

Um Abdullah M.
it doesn't unless ur living in Saudi Arabia
He only rules in KSA

unbelievable comment..can only come from someone that is completely blind from the truth...american military has been launching attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq from Saudiarabian soil..the rule of Ridaa by the King does not affect muslims worldwide?
How sweet that the King is spared your tongue while you at the same time in thread after thread "warn" against Al Qaedah...you cant find anyone in the Duniya to warn against except for Al Qaedah??!!!
you ask for us to pray for the hidayah of the king that is spreading his fasaad all over the world , not only ksa, but at the same time you pour out your rage against those who are far better than anyone of us here, included your false scholars that are quiet except when they need to sign a premade fatwaa.
indeed there are people with eyes but they do not see...
May Allah swt disgrace the king and raise him up with his american fellows as well as rawaafed who he calls his brothers...

[Abu_Zahid]

Muslims need to have political awareness. The attitude of "it doesn't affect my personal life, so I don't care" isn't healthy and should not be promoted.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Muslims need to have political awareness. The attitude of "it doesn't affect my personal life, so I don't care" isn't healthy and should not be promoted.

yes, what is going on in Muslim world in general, but not everything that king Abdullah says.

[Um Abdullah M.]

Reply:

You must be aware of the obligation to hear and obey. The issue of allegiance comes into it as well.

I obey the law.
That is what I understand it to mean.
I don't believe it means that I have to hear/know every word he says.

[Abu_Zahid]

yes, what is going on in Muslim world in general, but not everything that king Abdullah says.

I have to respectfully disagree. The words of of the leaders do need to be paid close attention to, otherwise how else would Muslims know and understand the plots and plans being hatched in the Muslim world? You obviously know that we are living in troubled and complicated times, where much is not as clear as day and we need to dig deeper to find out what is really going on and who is trying to steer the Ummah in what direction. Paying attention to these words are just part of the puzzle pieces...these leaders make decisions which at least eventually affect huge numbers of people. (e.g. now with Abdullah's current plans it seems that we could easily start seeing powerful backed efforts to spread a more watered-down version of Islam...if we have a heads up on this, then at the very least we can be wary and protect ourselves and those around us, and at the most, some people may either already be in or grow to be in a position where they can do more to counter this misguidance).

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as-salaamu alaykum,

Dont be too hard on the king of saudiyah. He is protecting the two holy sanctuaries by providing a base for our US troops to defend the holy places from Saddam.

[sword_of_islam]

of course it doesnt bother you that the brothers running to the defense of Ahl AsSunnah in Iraq are being jailed and at the same time the americans are living a happy life in ksa..that doesnt bother you obviously




unbelievable comment..can only come from someone that is completely blind from the truth...american military has been launching attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq from Saudiarabian soil..the rule of Ridaa by the King does not affect muslims worldwide?
How sweet that the King is spared your tongue while you at the same time in thread after thread "warn" against Al Qaedah...you cant find anyone in the Duniya to warn against except for Al Qaedah??!!!
you ask for us to pray for the hidayah of the king that is spreading his fasaad all over the world , not only ksa, but at the same time you pour out your rage against those who are far better than anyone of us here, included your false scholars that are quiet except when they need to sign a premade fatwaa.
indeed there are people with eyes but they do not see...
May Allah swt disgrace the king and raise him up with his american fellows as well as rawaafed who he calls his brothers...


Mashallah well said you have exposed the ones who are the lovers of the taghoot and the enemies of the mujaideen may Allah preserve you beloved brother.

[Adem Al-Albani]

asSalaamu'alaykum

The streets of Makkah were turned upside down when this man came to the hotel they had the meeting at.

May Allah guide all of us.

[Abu Dharr Al Kashmiri]

Why was the meeting at the Hilton? Dar al Tawhid Intercontinental is way better....

[Abu Dharr Al Kashmiri]

Delegates were divided on the possible outcome of the process. “Do whatever you want to do; those who are against Islam will continue to remain so. Their animosity is deep-seated, and they will continue to abuse our religion and our beloved Prophet,” said Dr. Aamer Liaquat Hussain, producer and anchor of a popular program called “Aalim Online” on Pakistan’s Geo television. He referred to the controversial films and blasphemous cartoons that have angered the Muslim world.

“I am appalled by the severity and the insulting nature of the attack. We Muslims believe in all the Prophets of Allah. We name our children Yaqub and Ishaq,” Hussain said. “Can the followers of other religions show us one example of they naming their children Muhammad or Ahmed?”

barelwis with some zeal:eek:

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=110636&d=6&m=6&y=2008