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Mustafa al-Muhaajir
5th June 2008, 03:05 AM
Al-Qaida claims it attacked Denmark's Embassy
CAIRO, Egypt (AP) — A Web posting late Wednesday purportedly by al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the suicide attack against Denmark's Embassy in Pakistan that left six people dead.
The statement said Monday's bombing in Islamabad was carried out to fulfill the promise of terror mastermind Osama bin Laden to exact revenge over the reprinting in Danish papers of a cartoon of Islam's Prophet Muhammad.
The statement, carried on a Web site frequently used by the Islamic militants, said the attack "fulfilled the promise of Sheik Osama Bin Laden, may God protect him, of responding" to the "insulting drawings."
It added that the attack came in defense of the religion and honor of Muslims and warned that if Denmark doesn't apologize for the cartoons, more attacks will follow.
The statement was signed by an al-Qaida commander in Afghanistan, Mustafa Abul-Yazid, and dated Tuesday, but its authenticity couldn't immediately be verified.
It said the attack was carried out by an al-Qaida martyr and thanked Pakistani jihadists who helped prepare and execute the plot.
Many suicide bombings in Pakistan are believed to have been planned in its semiautonomous tribal regions along the Afghan border, where al-Qaida and Taliban militants have found sanctuary and which are the focus of peace efforts.
Denmark officials said earlier that they suspected al-Qaida was behind the bombing.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJZOAGKt6UIaRvh7N-p4LK3vOdwQD913L01O1
Mustafa al-Muhaajir
5th June 2008, 03:09 AM
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful
Qaa’idah al-Jihaad
[Statement on attacking the headquarters of the Embassy of the Disbelieving State that is fighting Allah and Messenger (Denmark) in Pakistan]
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, and may the prayers and peace be upon Sayyid al-Mursaleen, and the Imaam of the righteous; our Prophet Muhammad, his family, Companions, and followers of Ihsaan until the Day of Judgment… As to what follows:
- This is a response against the Crusaders’ destruction of our nation, Jews and all enemy aggressors, and it is in defense of the religion and the blood of the Muslims and their land and honor.
- And this is in revenge for what Denmark has published: the insulting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
- And they refused to apologize for the publication even though they could have.
- This is an implementation of the Qur’aanic verse: “and (as for) those who insult the Messenger of Allah, they shall have a painful punishment.” [9:61]
- And this is from the promises of Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin when he said, “If there is no check on the freedom of your words, then let your hearts be open to the freedom of our actions. The answer is what you see, not what you hear, and may our mothers be bereaved of us if we fail to help the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).”
- One of the Mujaahideen of al-Qaa’idah implemented a martyrdom operation on Monday morning of 6/02/2008 against the Danish Embassy in Islamabad where they (disbelievers and apostates) thought they had a safe haven from the retaliation. Soon we will publish the relevant information in Qaa’idah al-Jihaad’s media - if Allah wills - as well as the brother who did the martyrdom operation, may Allah’s mercy be upon him.
- And this is a warning to the Disbelieving State for their injustice against Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him; they must apologize, otherwise this process will serve as a first step forward.
- We congratulate the Muslim nation for this success against the enemies of Allah - the members of the Danish Embassy - as this also shows the significant role played by the Pakistani Mujaahideen who participated in preparing the operation; they have religious zeal and [positive] jealousy in the Religion.
“And all honor belongs to Allah, His Messenger, and the Believers, but the Hypocrites know not.”
http://revolution.muslimpad.com/2008/06/04/al-qaaidah-takes-responsibility-for-bombing-of-danish-embassy-in-islamabad/
Abu Ma'mar
5th June 2008, 07:09 AM
How convenient for the CIA......
nonameyet
5th June 2008, 07:35 AM
ok, no danish died but mostly civil one, and beytullah mehsud had a truce with govt, how intelligent is their attack?
Um Abdullah M.
5th June 2008, 07:46 AM
and how did this benefit the ummah? or solve the problem with Danish government or Danish people?
it might make things worse, make more Danes attack the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and maybe even some of them attacking Muslims there and Muslim centers/Masjids
Also innocent people get killed in attacks like that.
Nu7
5th June 2008, 10:53 AM
This is bs, I don't think this was done by AQ at all. It would make no sense since the Taliban had just signed a peace treaty with the Government.
Anikaa
5th June 2008, 10:58 AM
How convenient for the CIA......
ditto
Salahadeen
5th June 2008, 12:27 PM
This is bs, I don't think this was done by AQ at all. It would make no sense since the Taliban had just signed a peace treaty with the Government.
So no matter what evil Al-Qaeda does, you will simply say "I don't think they did it", even though they themselves are releasing statements saying "we did it" ?
And by the way, I believe they killed all Muslims, aside from one non-Muslim.
Nu7
5th June 2008, 12:58 PM
Akhi, don't try to put the "crazy extremist Jihadi" label on me.
I don't think they did this particular act. Will you believe anything that is reported by Western media??
Logic tells us that the Americans have more to gain from this attack than anyone else. They have been voicing their concerns about the peace treaty which the Pakistani government signed with the Taliban.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 01:27 PM
Al Qaida claimed responsibility for the attack, not the Taliban.
They, AQ, do not have a peace treaty with the Pakistani Government.
Although AQ cooperates with the Taliban they operate independently.
This was and attack on the Danish Embassy and not the Muslims of Pakistan.
Nu7
5th June 2008, 01:31 PM
Yes, but since it is believed that the Taliban offer safety for AQ leaders in the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan, it is fair to say that the peace treaty would have a positive impact on AQ.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 01:40 PM
Yes, but since it is believed that the Taliban offer safety for AQ leaders in the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan, it is fair to say that the peace treaty would have a positive impact on AQ.
This is speculation. The fact still remains that there is no peace treaty with AQ and Pakistan Government.
Nu7
5th June 2008, 01:44 PM
This is speculation. The fact still remains that there is no peace treaty with AQ and Pakistan Government.
There doesn't have to be a peace treaty between AQ and Pakistan. AQ would still not benifit from this attack as it will put more heat on their hosts: The Taliban.
That is my point.
y-mughal
5th June 2008, 01:58 PM
it might make things worse, make more Danes attack the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and maybe even some of them attacking Muslims there and Muslim centers/Masjids
Also innocent people get killed in attacks like that.
With this line of thinking Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf or Abu Rafi' or the many others who were killed for blashphemy shouldn't have been killed just in case their peoples decided to take revenge and kill Muslims. What's next that we stop and nullify Jihad just in case Muslim fighters get killed? Or maybe your next gonna be advising that we abandon Dawah to the Kuffar just in case they start to insult the message or the religion? What pathetic defeatist methodology - pioneered in our time on these forums by Salahadeen.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 02:09 PM
With this line of thinking Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf or Abu Rafi' or the many others who were killed for blashphemy shouldn't have been killed just in case their peoples decided to take revenge and kill Muslims. What's next that we stop and nullify Jihad just in case Muslim fighters get killed? Or maybe your next gonna be advising that we abandon Dawah to the Kuffar just in case they start insult the message or the religion? What pathetic defeatist methodology - pioneered in our time on these forums by Salahadeen.
Very well said Brother. May Allah bless you.
Maybe the Muslims in Medina should not have initiated hostilities against the Quraysh, after all they had their own Islamic State.
There is nothing more beguiling to me than a defeatist apologist. These people have a big disease in their hearts. May Allah cure them.
intheheartofgreenbirds
5th June 2008, 02:11 PM
AMEeeeeeeeeeeEN
AbuOmar
5th June 2008, 02:53 PM
This is bs, I don't think this was done by AQ at all. It would make no sense since the Taliban had just signed a peace treaty with the Government.
They have signed a peace treaty with government and the Pakistani army not with america and the infidel nations that have gathered together to fight Allah and His Messenger SAW.
The treaty is in effect in the Tribal areas...the fight against the crUSAders across the border and elsewhere is still on.
If this was an attack on the pak government or one of its agencies then you could say it would have jeopardised the treaty but this was an attack on the Danes.
Even then the Taliban have said if the army or government puts one step wrong then the Mujahideen will attack/retaliate and there have been attacks whilst the treaty was in effect.
suhail
5th June 2008, 02:55 PM
The thing is how many danes died in this attack and how many muslim bystanders died?
Um Abdullah M.
5th June 2008, 03:57 PM
With this line of thinking Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf or Abu Rafi' or the many others who were killed for blashphemy shouldn't have been killed just in case their peoples decided to take revenge and kill Muslims. What's next that we stop and nullify Jihad just in case Muslim fighters get killed? Or maybe your next gonna be advising that we abandon Dawah to the Kuffar just in case they start to insult the message or the religion? What pathetic defeatist methodology - pioneered in our time on these forums by Salahadeen.
1. The Danes in the embassy weren't the ones who drew those blasphemous cartoons and you don't know that they supported it, just because they are part of the government doesn't mean they supported it.
so how did you compare this with killing of Ka'b al Ashraf?
If the persons who were targeted were the ones who drew those cartoons then you could make that comparison.
2. Those who drew those blasphemous cartoons are still free, and they have not been hurt in anyway by this bombing,
3. plz explain how the bombing of the Danish embassy solved the problem?
and who got hurt by those bombs? Danes? police? bystanders?
Abu wakee
5th June 2008, 04:11 PM
and how did this benefit the ummah? or solve the problem with Danish government or Danish people?
it might make things worse, make more Danes attack the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and maybe even some of them attacking Muslims there and Muslim centers/Masjids
Also innocent people get killed in attacks like that.
Ditto.
These guys are criminals who took innocent muslim lives. May Allah humiliate them.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 04:22 PM
Ditto.
These guys are criminals who took innocent muslim lives. May Allah humiliate them.
May Allah humiliate you rather than them.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 04:24 PM
1. The Danes in the embassy weren't the ones who drew those blasphemous cartoons and you don't know that they supported it, just because they are part of the government doesn't mean they supported it.
so how did you compare this with killing of Ka'b al Ashraf?
If the persons who were targeted were the ones who drew those cartoons then you could make that comparison.
2. Those who drew those blasphemous cartoons are still free, and they have not been hurt in anyway by this bombing,
3. plz explain how the bombing of the Danish embassy solved the problem?
and who got hurt by those bombs? Danes? police? bystanders?
You are quick to talk now but when it comes to your kafir saudi king then you plead ignorance. This is bigotry.
AbuUsama
5th June 2008, 04:30 PM
Ditto.
These guys are criminals who took innocent muslim lives. May Allah humiliate them.
Yes that is how the kuffar and munafiqoon accuse them,
Um Abdullah M.
5th June 2008, 04:35 PM
You are quick to talk now but when it comes to your kafir saudi king then you plead ignorance. This is bigotry.
Me knowing or not knowing what king Abdullah said doesn't make a difference because I don't support everything he says or does, nor is anyone here promoting his speeches and/or actions, while many here support the actions of al Qaeda no matter what it is, complete ta'assub and blind following.
Now plz answer the questions
If you don't know the answer, then just say so.
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 04:40 PM
The statement was made by Mustafa Yazid, the leader of AQ in Afghanistan. How could it be false?
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 04:45 PM
Me knowing or not knowing what king Abdullah said doesn't make a difference because I don't support everything he says or does, nor is anyone here promoting his speeches and/or actions, while many here support the actions of al Qaeda no matter what it is, complete ta'assub and blind following.
Now plz answer the questions
If you don't know the answer, then just say so.
You say that the Danish Government is not accountable for its laws that permit the printing and reprinting of those cartoons?
Let me remind you of what happened in February, in case you do not know.
Danish Muhammad cartoon reprinted
Danish newspapers have reprinted one of several caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad which sparked violent protests across the Muslim world in 2005.
They say they wanted to show their commitment to freedom of speech after an alleged plot to kill one of the cartoonists behind the drawings.
Of three suspects detained over the alleged plot on Tuesday, one - a Danish citizen - was released on Wednesday.
The remaining two - Tunisian citizens - are set to be deported without trial.
The cartoons were originally published by Jyllands-Posten in September 2005.
Danish embassies were attacked around the world and dozens died in riots that followed.
Papers defiant
Jyllands-Posten and many other major newspapers, including Politiken and Berlingske Tidende, reprinted the caricature in their Wednesday editions.
"We are doing this to document what is at stake in this case, and to unambiguously back and support the freedom of speech that we as a newspaper will always defend," Berlingske Tidende said.
The cartoon was also broadcast on national television, and even newspapers that were originally against the publication of the caricatures are now backing the campaign to defend freedom of speech, says the BBC's Thomas Buch-Andersen in Copenhagen.
No strong reactions to the republication had been observed, a foreign ministry official told news agency AP.
Expulsions criticised
On Tuesday, the head of the Danish Security and Intelligence Service (Pet), Jakob Sharf, said its operatives had carried out pre-dawn raids in the Aarhus region.
The three suspects - two Tunisians and a Dane of Moroccan origin - had been detained "after lengthy surveillance", he added.
The Danish citizen was released pending further investigation, while the Tunisians will be held until they are expelled from the country.
But lawyers and Muslim groups criticised the decision to deport the men without giving them a chance to defend themselves in court.
Franz Wenzel, the lawyer for one of the men, told Danish TV that the fact that the Danish citizen had been released "for lack of evidence" while two foreigners were being expelled was "incomprehensible", AFP news agency reported.
Meanwhile, Kasem Ahmed of the Islamic Faith Society in Denmark, condemned the alleged murder plot - but also criticised the newspapers' decision to republish the cartoons, saying they remained an insult to Muslims.
Police protection
The Pet did not identify the target of the alleged plot, but the online edition of Jyllands-Posten said its cartoonist, Kurt Westergaard, was the focus.
The newspaper, based in Aarhus, said Mr Westergaard, 73, and his 66-year-old wife, Gitte, had been under police protection for the past three months.
In a statement on Jyllands-Posten's website, Mr Westergaard said: "Of course I fear for my life when the police intelligence service say that some people have concrete plans to kill me.
"But I have turned fear into anger and resentment."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7242258.stm
Um Abdullah M.
5th June 2008, 04:49 PM
You say that the Danish Government is not accountable for its laws that permit the printing and reprinting of those cartoons?
Let me remind you of what happened in February, in case you do not know.
no, I did not say the gov was not responsible
I said the workers in the embassy did not draw those cartoons and they might've not supported their drawing or printing.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 05:06 PM
no, I did not say the gov was not responsible
I said the workers in the embassy did not draw those cartoons and they might've not supported their drawing or printing.
Ok.
You admit that the Danish government is responsible.
The Danish embassy WHICH IS PART OF THE DANISH GOVERNMENT was attacked.
So?
y-mughal
5th June 2008, 05:09 PM
1. The Danes in the embassy weren't the ones who drew those blasphemous cartoons and you don't know that they supported it, just because they are part of the government doesn't mean they supported it.
so how did you compare this with killing of Ka'b al Ashraf?
If the persons who were targeted were the ones who drew those cartoons then you could make that comparison.
2. Those who drew those blasphemous cartoons are still free, and they have not been hurt in anyway by this bombing,
3. plz explain how the bombing of the Danish embassy solved the problem?
and who got hurt by those bombs? Danes? police? bystanders?
My points were not related to whether the attack was permissable or not but rather you absolutely linking an action to it's possible negative unforeseen consequences and then I gave you some examples where if we applied your absolute principle then some incidents in our glorious history shouldn't have happend and also some duties which Allah (swt) has obligated on us should be abandoned.
May Allah humiliate them.
May Allah humiliate you rather than them.
He already is humiliated so need for the Du'a really.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 05:12 PM
He already is humiliated so no need for the Du'a really.
Fair enough. Let me fix that.
May Allah increase his humiliation.
Saifur Rahman Al Afghani
5th June 2008, 05:13 PM
The following is taken from Abu Baseer Al Tartousi's article on "suicide bombings":
One of the prohibitions the violation of which this action may entail is that it generally causes - as anyone can see - the killing of innocent civilians whose wrongful killing is prohibited by the shari'a, whether they be Muslims or non-Muslims.
This is a danger that should not be taken lightly, but rather, one should take great pains to stay clear of it. A man is in a good situation with respect to his religion as long as he hasn't shed the blood of innocents, as [Allah] said [Koran 4:93], 'Whosoever intentionally kills a believer, Hell is his eternal recompense, and the wrath and curse of Allah are upon him, and a great punishment is in store for him,' and [Koran 17:33], 'Do not take a life that Allah has made inviolable without justification'.
And there is an authentic tradition that the Prophet said 'Beware not to commit the seven cardinal sins,' one of which is 'taking a life that Allah has made inviolable without justification'...; and that he said 'It is forbidden for any Muslim to take the life, property, or honor of any Muslim,' and 'The killing of a believer is graver in Allah's view than the end of the world,' and 'It is possible that Allah may forgive any sin except for he who dies an unbeliever and he who intentionally kills a believer,' and: 'Allah does not allow he who has killed a believer to repent'... and: 'He who harms a believer, his jihad is not considered a merit.' This is said about someone who injures a believer - just harms him - so all the more so one who kills him, and kills him intentionally at that!
(Source: http://www.en.altartosi.com/suicide.htm#A
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 06:09 PM
I agree that the government is responsible for its laws. However, their citizens who had nothing to do with this insult cannot and should not be harmed even if they are part of the government. It is brainless of anyone to think that every single government employee is in agreement with every single stance his/her government takes…and besides Islam does not allow members of the community to be punished for that one of individual or even a few. The attack on the Danish embassy helped no one. It was a failed incident from every angle.
1. It didn't kill anyone in their intended target.
2. It didn't hurt anyone in their intended targeet.
3. It didn't further the cause of Muslims nor that of AQ.
4. Most importantly, it didn't bring respect to our beloved Prophet (pbuh) which was the intended reason this incident took place.
Now what this incident did accomplish and cause upon the Muslims worldwide, particularly in the West???
This incident brings a threat to the lives/safety of Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and so many other Western countries in particular. This incident only hurt the Muslim Ummah!!! It did not help it in any form whatsoever. Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) was insulted by many, thrown trash upon, and even spat upon by the Jews and Christians but he walked away without wishing any harm upon them - took no actions against them. In fact, I believe, there was a Jewish man who would throw trash on our beloved Prophet (pbuh) on a daily basis and when this man did not show up to throw trash on our beloved Prophet (pbuh) one day, our Prophet (pbuh) went to the home of the Jew to make sure he was okay.
And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fairseeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.
( ÓæÑÉ ÇáÃäÚÇã , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #108)
Notice how this Aayah tell us to 'insult' another if Allah (swt) has been insulted. It doesn't tell us to harm them by bombing their people or their places.
(30) Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet was not one who would abuse (others) or say obscene words, or curse (others), and if he wanted to admonish anyone of us, he used to say: "What is wrong with him, his forehead be dusted!" (Book #73, Hadith #58)
Mustafa al-Muhaajir
5th June 2008, 06:14 PM
For anyone who cares:
Islamic scholar slams bombing in Pakistan
Source ::: The Peninsula
Doha • Renowned Doha-based Islamic scholar Dr Yusuf Al Qaradawi has denounced the bombing at the Danish embassy in Islamabad on Monday to protest against the blasphemous cartoons on Prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him).
In a statement issued in the wake of the blast that killed two people and injured several others, Qaradawi said such violent protests will only help tarnish the image of Islam all over the world.
"We condemn what was done in the Danish embassy in Pakistan. We have been urging Muslims to protest peacefully against the blasphemous Danish cartoons. It is the duty of Muslims to protect the lives of people who live in their country as their guests," said Qaradawi.
The scholar, who heads the International Union of Islamic Scholars, said the union has already denounced the Danish cartoons as a deliberate attempt to provoke Muslims all over the world and hurt their sentiments.
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=Local_News&subsection=Qatar+News&month=June2008&file=Local_News200806042218.xml
Madarijas-Salikeen
5th June 2008, 06:16 PM
dr. who?
Listen the Danish government is evil no doubt. As far as alqaeda doing this, you would think they would have leveled the building. So im a bit skeptical.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 06:17 PM
Interesting how some people capitalise on the Makkah situation and totally ignore what happened in Madinah, to further their defeatist and apologist agenda.
Salahadeen
5th June 2008, 07:08 PM
The thing is how many danes died in this attack and how many muslim bystanders died?
Can any of you terrorist lovers answer this question!? How many danes died and how many Muslims died?
This was and attack on the Danish Embassy and not the Muslims of Pakistan.
Then answer the above question.
harbi
5th June 2008, 08:20 PM
I think 1 dane was killed. Most probably a muslim since he originated from Pakistan but became a danish citizen.
harbi
5th June 2008, 08:23 PM
Its amazing how some can support such terrorist acts on behalf of Islam, while acting offended about a cartoon illustrating the exact same thing.
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 08:28 PM
Salahadeen,
ZERO Non-Muslim danes died!!!
HOWEVER
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abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 08:35 PM
Its amazing how some can support such terrorist acts on behalf of Islam, while acting offended about a cartoon illustrating the exact same thing.
It is even more amazing how some can deliberately provoke the Muslim Nation by insulting their beloved Prophet, knowing full well what the consequences will be and then complain when the Muslims retaliate.
Whatever blood was spilt is on the hands of the cartoonists, the news editors and the Danish Government.
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 08:40 PM
abumuwahid,
If a man jumps off the bridge, and you follow will that too be because the man provoked you?
harbi
5th June 2008, 08:41 PM
Right, the bomber had nothing to do with it. Can't blame him what so ever...
He was a victem like the rest of these radical extremists.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 08:54 PM
abumuwahid,
If a man jumps off the bridge, and you follow will that too be because the man provoked you?
No.
But if a man punches me on the nose, I will kick him in his groin. :)
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 08:56 PM
Harbi,
Wake up my friend. Of course the bomber is to blame! My comment did not excuse the bomber nor the first person jumping off the bridge. My comment was about the person who follows the evil act or retaliates with another evil act. There was a remark about 'provoking the Muslim nation' due to their act. All I was saying is that if one person acts foolishly, wrecklessly, and even dangerously the other person should use what Allah (swt) gave him...his brain...and follow the guidelines prescribed unto him by Allah (swt).
And to hold the news editors, cartoonists, and the Danish government responsible for the death of 8 Muslims and 34 injured Muslims makes no sense either. The printing and reprinting of the cartoons was and is wrong but does their wrong make the wrongs of the car bomber right???
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 09:05 PM
Wake up my friend. Of course the bomber is to blame! My comment did not excuse the bomber nor the first person jumping off the bridge. My comment was about the person who follows the evil act or retaliates with another evil act. There was a remark about 'provoking the Muslim nation' due to their act. All I was saying is that if one person acts foolishly, wrecklessly, and even dangerously the other person should use what Allah (swt) gave him...his brain...and follow the guidelines prescribed unto him by Allah (swt).
And to blame the news editors, cartoonists, and the Danish government responsible for the death of 8 Muslims and 34 injured Muslims makes no sense either. The printing and reprinting of the cartoons was and is wrong but does their wrong make the wrongs of the car bomber right???
Subhanallah.
Your example of jumping off the bridge was a bit silly yet I answered it.
Have you listened to Sheikh Anwar Awlakis "The Dust will never settle?"
They're are to blame. It is they who PROVOKED this reaction from the Muslims. Do you not understand? Stop arguing on behalf of the kuffar. It is unislamic.
harbi
5th June 2008, 09:11 PM
Ghulam,
I'm sorry, my reply was in respons to the exact same post you were addressing. Your post made perfect sense to me.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 09:19 PM
Ghulam,
I'm sorry, my reply was in respons to the exact same post you were addressing. Your post made perfect sense to me.
Ghulam, you better start worrying about your beliefs. You have a militant kafir who actually agrees with you.
The Noble Qur'an 2:120 - Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) till you follow their religion. ...
The Noble Qur'an 68:9- They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you.
harbi
5th June 2008, 09:27 PM
abumuwahid,
You're completely wrong. I'm not militant and not against Islam.
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 09:42 PM
Ghulam,
I'm sorry, my reply was in respons to the exact same post you were addressing. Your post made perfect sense to me.
Thanks for the reply :) I'm glad to hear it.
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 09:48 PM
Quote:
The Noble Qur'an 2:120 - Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him) till you follow their religion. ...
The Noble Qur'an 68:9- They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so they (too) would compromise with you.
I'm always learning brother. Thank you for the Aayas' but could you please explain why you used these Aayas? I'm not sure I'm following.
Ghulam al-Islam
5th June 2008, 09:55 PM
Ghulam, you better start worrying about your beliefs. You have a militant kafir who actually agrees with you.
Thanks but I think I'll be okay.
Subhanallah.
Your example of jumping off the bridge was a bit silly yet I answered it.
Have you listened to Sheikh Anwar Awlakis "The Dust will never settle?"
They're are to blame. It is they who PROVOKED this reaction from the Muslims. Do you not understand? Stop arguing on behalf of the kuffar. It is unislamic.
It is amazing that you would not follow a man who provokes you to jump off the bridge and yet believe the above and the following:
It is even more amazing how some can deliberately provoke the Muslim Nation by insulting their beloved Prophet, knowing full well what the consequences will be and then complain when the Muslims retaliate.
Whatever blood was spilt is on the hands of the cartoonists, the news editors and the Danish Government.
abumuwahid
5th June 2008, 10:05 PM
Thanks but I think I'll be okay.
It is amazing that you would not follow a man who provokes you to jump off the bridge and yet believe the above and the following:
Looks like you have an obsession with bridges. You're not a civil engineer by any chance. :)
I don't think that you will be okay. Ghulam. I am sad to say, unless you develop your understanding of Al Wala Wal Bara and reject all these false ideas that you have. May Allah increase you in knowledge.
AbuOmar
6th June 2008, 12:37 AM
1. The Danes in the embassy weren't the ones who drew those blasphemous cartoons and you don't know that they supported it, just because they are part of the government doesn't mean they supported it.
so how did you compare this with killing of Ka'b al Ashraf?
If the persons who were targeted were the ones who drew those cartoons then you could make that comparison.
2. Those who drew those blasphemous cartoons are still free, and they have not been hurt in anyway by this bombing,
3. plz explain how the bombing of the Danish embassy solved the problem?
and who got hurt by those bombs? Danes? police? bystanders?
I'd like to address some points:
Firstly IF you had carefully read the statement that was issued today it says clearly '- And this is a warning to the Disbelieving State for their injustice against Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him; they must apologize, otherwise this process will serve as a first step forward.'
Also leave aside the fact that they are part of the crUSAders and are from them because the crusaders whether from Europe or America are a single entity.
The Danish government refused to apologize let alone prevent the publications of those cartoons....not just once but TWICE this happened! And not once did they apologize for this heinous crime! This is amongsts the many other reasons why the embassy was targeted.
The embassy and the land which it is built upon according to the laws of the kuffar is Danish and part of their government(which as i pointed also carries the sin of insulting our Beloved Prophet SAW)...hence this makes it a precise target which is situated in the heart of ISLAMabad. Bear in mind the statement said that this a warning to them and they still yet have to apologize.
So its not that those inside were not the ones who drew the pictures....its due to the fact that the government of Denmark neither prevented nor apologized for the crime that their people and media was free to do in their country. And the Danish embassy in Islamabad is from the Danish government. Even the Danish PM, Mr Rasmussen said the bombing was an "attack against Denmark".
Secondaly, for anyone to claim that Muslims were targeted must be a complete idiot or a RAND troll....the Mujahideen try the best they can to avoid Muslims getting caught in the middle...but can you blame them when in these times the kuffar are camped in the middle of the Muslim populations?
The bombing of the embassy was a warning to the kuffaar and their governments that any crime against Allah and His Messenger SAW shall not go unchecked by the Grace of Allah.
y-mughal
6th June 2008, 01:47 AM
Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) was insulted by many, thrown trash upon, and even spat upon by the Jews and Christians but he walked away without wishing any harm upon them - took no actions against them.
You ignoramus you need to read a bit of history -
What about the mission of Muhammad bin Maslamah (ra) et al and the killing of the Taghoot Ka'b ibn Al-Ashraf? What of the killing of Abu Rafi'? How about the killing of Ibn Khatal and his two slavegirls? What about the man who used to curse the Prophet (saw) and the Prophet (saw) sent Khalid (ra) to kill him? Uqba ibn Abi Mu'ayt and an-Nadr ibn al-Harith were killed for cursing the Prophet (saw) weren't they? What of az-Zubayr (ra) killing a man who cursed the Prophet (saw)? What about the blind man killing his female slave? What about the killing of the women from Khatma who satirised the Prophet (saw)? There are many more examples of how our Salaf dealt with those who blasphemed the Prophet (saw)....
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