Turkish [taghut] court upholds headscarf ban

[Brother_Mujahid]

Turkish court upholds headscarf ban

Turkey's highest court has ruled that Islamic headscarves cannot be allowed at universities.

The decision is a defeat for the ruling Justice and Development (AK) Party, which tried to allow the wearing of scarves as a matter of religious and personal freedom.

The verdict of the constitutional court was issued on Thursday and says that amendments passed by parliament in February violated the secular principles of the constitution.

Some observers think the verdict may bode ill for the government in a separate case in which Turkey's chief prosecutor is seeking to disband the AK Party because it is "the focal point of anti-secular activities".

The prosecution also seeks to ban 71 members, including the prime minister and the president, from belonging to a political party for five years.

'Disaster'

The Turkish lira weakened against the dollar on the news, with markets fearing prolonged political uncertainty in the European Union-applicant country.

Cemil Cicek, the deputy prime minister, was reported as saying he would comment once he had read the court's ruling.

"We must see the justification for the decision," Cicek, who is also a government spokesman, said.

Neslihan Akbulut, a 27-year-old activist who wears a headscarf, said she was not shocked by the ruling but felt "very sad" for Turkey.

"For ten years I have experienced this ban in my country," she said.

"The judges in the constitutional court are behaving like they are governing the country … But we have not elected those judges."

They are actually ruling against the constitution, Akbulut said, "because they are saying that women with headscarves are not equal."

"It will be a disaster for students here … They can't just move abroad, they’re students, they live here. This decision affects their whole life."

'Religious freedom'

Another female student, who does not wear the headscarf, said it should be banned at universities.

"Frankly, I'm saying this based on the secular state principle because it's used as a political symbol, it's not a religious freedom. That's why, as a student of law, I don't want it to be allowed at universities," Ezgi Tuncer said.

In February, parliament passed constitutional amendments abolishing the ban, and allowing headscarves.

The secular opposition immediately appealed the ruling at the top court.

Lifting the headscarf ban was one of the most significant moves on religious issues in predominantly Muslim but secular Turkey since a military coup in 1980 that led to a crackdown on individual rights.

The secularist establishment, which includes army generals, judges and university rectors, fears ending the ban would undermine secularism, one of the founding principles of the modern Turkish republic.

The AK Party, which was re-elected last year with 47 per cent of the vote, says the right to wear the headscarf at university is a personal and religious freedom.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/747C1ED1-03FA-4980-994B-5B43531E2AD6.htm

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

I wonder why Turkey does not have any militant Islamist organizations? Must be years of ataturk oppression.

[Salahadeen]

Wretched tawagheet.

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

Now AKP is afraid of losing their power. La hawla wa laa quwwata illa biLlah.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7439553.stm


"Crisis talks over Turkish ruling

"Turkey's prime minister will chair an emergency meeting after his party's landmark measure, allowing students to wear headscarves, was blocked.

I really do not understand why there is no undeground militant movement in Turkey against that absurd secularist system. I think after the ban AKP should just go underground and start armed fight against the Taghoot

[abumuwahid]

The inevitable has happened.

Further proof that Islam can never be established through democracy or any other kufr means for that matter.

[nomad]

In turkey the ground talk is varied. They might just ignore the courts descision, as it was illegal. The army should be under Abdullah Guls orders, and the police are under the prime minister. The turkish media is mostly with akp, and the majority of the people are too.

Some people think he was tricked into a corner. The chp have got a court case hanging over their heads too, but seen as 7 of the judges were employed by the former president, who is now in chp as a mp, the democracy in turkey is a rather strange flavour.

Basically we have an mp of a loosing crappy party who has totallity over laws, running the country, with total disregard to democracy of any kind.

Erdogans government has given freedom to every sector of society, and built turkey from backwardness to a comfortable place in the 21st century.

there might be chaos here, who will come to help?

[morbius]

I really do not understand why there is no undeground militant movement in Turkey against that absurd secularist system. I think after the ban AKP should just go underground and start armed fight against the Taghoot

Because Turks have some brains.

They don’t reason: “Let’s violently demand Islam, start a civil war, devastate the country so our kids would have to go to western countries and clean their streets to survive.” A matter of priorities.

[suhail]

This democracy will never do any benefit for anybody. It is just a sham for power hungry politicians and corporations to make money.

Turkey will have to throw that garbage constitution in the waste dump or burn it. This will never happen unless there arise a group within them which will fight for truth. May Allah bring up some believers in turkey which will fight this taghut and humiliate these taghut.

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

Because Turks have some brains.

They don’t reason: “Let’s violently demand Islam, start a civil war, devastate the country so our kids would have to go to western countries and clean their streets to survive.” A matter of priorities.

Right. Like your opinion on Islamic matters matters.

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

I explain this phenomenon by general low level of Imaan in Turkey (which is a staple of the whole Ummah nowadays, starting with myself).

Turks have a problem with nationalism, long standing rift w/ Arabs, legacy of ill-fated Khalifate.

I wonder what is the level of acceptance of Salaaf manhaj in Turkey's religious institutions.

My experience w/ Turks here in US is that they exclusively congregate in ethnic-flavored masaajid ("cultural centers"). Very few Turks attend more ethnically diverse masaajid, dominated by Arabs, Pakistanis or local blacks.

I think they suffer from the superiority complex of the "last Khalifa", which in now way they should be proud of.

[intheheartofgreenbirds]

may Allah swt destroy anyone who has any part in bringing forth this legislation

AMMMMMMMMMMMEeeeeeeeeNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Ahmad ibn Philip]

One brother told me although Turkey is listed as 99% Muslim; in actuality its only 60% Muslim as many Turks identify themselves as Secularist/Atheist. Anyone ever heard of this?

[Abu Dajana]

I explain this phenomenon by general low level of Imaan in Turkey (which is a staple of the whole Ummah nowadays, starting with myself).

Turks have a problem with nationalism, long standing rift w/ Arabs, legacy of ill-fated Khalifate.

I wonder what is the level of acceptance of Salaaf manhaj in Turkey's religious institutions.

My experience w/ Turks here in US is that they exclusively congregate in ethnic-flavored masaajid ("cultural centers"). Very few Turks attend more ethnically diverse masaajid, dominated by Arabs, Pakistanis or local blacks.

I think they suffer from the superiority complex of the "last Khalifa", which in now way they should be proud of.

Actually that counts for most turks not only those in us. In the netherlands their like that too. The same for those in other european countries. Your not the only one who has experienced that...

[intheheartofgreenbirds]

One brother told me although Turkey is listed as 99% Muslim; in actuality its only 60% Muslim as many Turks identify themselves as Secularist/Atheist. Anyone ever heard of this?

I would say its alot lower with the shirky/kufri traditions.
btw I am a turkish brother and I see what is said/done by family and family friends.

The Turks Today by Andrew Mango (2004)

As for as Islam is concerned, 53% had of the sample had visited shrines of holy men, and 12 per cent had acquired amulets. Respondents probably exaggerated their observance of the five daily prayers and possibly of the Ramazan fast. The fascinating information in all of this comes from the fact that only 21 per cent of the respondents said that they wanted the Turkish state to be founded on the sharia and, as the authors of the survey point out, many of them had little idea of WHAT the sharia meant, given that only ONE per cent of respondents approved of the canonical punishment (stoning) for adultery that the sacred law prescribes. Similarly, 80 per cent of men and 91 per cent of men disapproved of polygamy, and 80 per cent of men and 84 per cent of women disapproved of the sharia rule that male heirs should have a larger hare of the inheritance than female heris. The authors of the survey estimate that the proportion of genuine supporters of sharia is around 10 per cent, a conclusion in line with other estimates. Of a sample 77 per cent agreed with the statement that Turkey had moved forward as a result of the reforms introduced under the republic.



may Allah swt guide us

[Ahmad ibn Philip]

I would say its alot lower with the shirky/kufri traditions.
btw I am a turkish brother and I see what is said/done by family and family friends.

The Turks Today by Andrew Mango (2004)

As for as Islam is concerned, 53% had of the sample had visited shrines of holy men, and 12 per cent had acquired amulets. Respondents probably exaggerated their observance of the five daily prayers and possibly of the Ramazan fast. The fascinating information in all of this comes from the fact that only 21 per cent of the respondents said that they wanted the Turkish state to be founded on the sharia and, as the authors of the survey point out, many of them had little idea of WHAT the sharia meant, given that only ONE per cent of respondents approved of the canonical punishment (stoning) for adultery that the sacred law prescribes. Similarly, 80 per cent of men and 91 per cent of men disapproved of polygamy, and 80 per cent of men and 84 per cent of women disapproved of the sharia rule that male heirs should have a larger hare of the inheritance than female heris. The authors of the survey estimate that the proportion of genuine supporters of sharia is around 10 per cent, a conclusion in line with other estimates. Of a sample 77 per cent agreed with the statement that Turkey had moved forward as a result of the reforms introduced under the republic.



may Allah swt guide us

sub7anAllah, then Turkey is in a worst state that I previously believed.

[Nu7]

Actually that counts for most turks not only those in us. In the netherlands their like that too. The same for those in other european countries. Your not the only one who has experienced that...

You are right, they are like that here in Denmark too. They hardly ever pray with the Arabs, Somalis and Pakistanis. In some of these "cultural centres" you will find pictures of Atatürk (La'natullahi 'Alayh) hanging on the walls and the Turkish flag etc..

[nomad]

It seems erdogan was tricked by his friends the kuffar. He has 2 ways, step down, or step up!!!

We presume he will step down, and Turkey will spiral backwards 40 years, and the crack down on muslims will be intorable. In the last 8 years intellegience has gathered info on all activity, and now, well when erdogan is officially removed, which will not be long, presumably a couple of months if that, the laws will come down hard and fast, and erdogan will be punished hard, to stop any other muslim from thinking of following the same path. Of course his followers will all be trying to distance themselves, but the list of 70 has already been written up. Unfortunately they are all 'Gulen' muslims, who believe in peace and tollerence, so the possiblity of fighting for your rights, is not really an option, but according to some, it will encourage splinter groups of extremism thoughts because Erdogans government was the picture of appeasement for the kuffar and it still wasnt left alone, so there is no other hope but extremism.

It is true that many many turks are nationalists, but in the last 8 years there has been a move away from that, and many more are, although sufi orintated, are finding a more middle ground islam. However, apparently there is one salafi centre in bursa, but the call to islam kind, whatever their official label is these days, (?). Istanbul is more religious than ankara and other parts. In the past 8 years, many quran courses have opened, and women have actively sought to learn quran. Myself have met more women who have memorised quran here, than any other place in the world, many of those women are arab too.

[Salsabil]

what a sad reality we live in, if in the lands of Muslims, such a small part of Islam is fought against, and even a government elected by the majority can not do anything. The kafir atheists have more ghiyra for their religion or what? Alhamdulillah, that we all shall die one day...

[Abu Maryam PK]

why do the turkish sisters have to go to uni and get government jobs, anyway? i wont send my daughter to a mixed uni, and prefer her to remain 'ignorant' [as if there is 'knowledge' imparted in these universities]

[abu_ibrahim]

why do the turkish sisters have to go to uni and get government jobs, anyway? i wont send my daughter to a mixed uni, and prefer her to remain 'ignorant' [as if there is 'knowledge' imparted in these universities]

If a sister was giving birth and there were complications, would you prefer to have a male doctor see your wife? Or would you prefer if a female doctor did? If sisters can't study medicine at University, you will only get a male doctor.

[Umm]

why do the turkish sisters have to go to uni and get government jobs, anyway? i wont send my daughter to a mixed uni, and prefer her to remain 'ignorant' [as if there is 'knowledge' imparted in these universities]

That's not the point, whether they have to go or not. It's the fact that Turkey is supposed to be a Muslim country and hijabis are being discriminated against.

[Abu Maryam PK]

i agree to that fully. But my point was they r also not doing the correct thing by exposing themsleves to fitnah, esp since they dont cover the face

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

It seems erdogan was tricked by his friends the kuffar. He has 2 ways, step down, or step up!!!

We presume he will step down, and Turkey will spiral backwards 40 years,

It won't be that drastic. Those "Islamic party" reincarnations has been happening already in the past.

[nomad]

Alhamdullilah, it seems he stepped up. He is not accepting the courts descision, and gave a long speach today.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Turkish Rulers Backtrack on Head Scarves

Associated Press

ANKARA, Turkey, July 31 -- Turkey's ruling party has dropped for now its attempts to lift a decades-old ban on wearing Islamic head scarves in universities, a campaign that infuriated defenders of the country's secular principles and nearly brought down the government.

Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek signaled Thursday that the government would not push for a fresh round of legislation to lift the head scarf ban, a day after the country's top court narrowly decided not to shut down the ruling party on grounds that it was trying to impose an Islamic regime.

"The head scarf issue is not on our agenda now," Cicek told NTV television in an interview.

Turkey's constitution enshrines a secular system introduced by the country's modern founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government, which has its roots in Turkey's Islamic movement, is locked in a power struggle with secularists backed by the military and the judiciary who claim the government is trying to roll back secular traditions.

A recent attempt by the ruling party to lift the head scarf ban was rebuffed by the country's highest court on grounds it was anti-secular.

Then on Wednesday, the Constitutional Court turned down a case brought by Turkey's chief prosecutor asking the high court to disband Erdogan's Justice and Development Party and bar him and 70 other party members from joining any other political party for five years.

Also Thursday, Erdogan assured Turks that his government was loyal to Ataturk's secular principles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102926.html?nav=rss_world