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Tauheed
9th June 2008, 10:50 AM
Asalaam alaikum, can someone please confirm the following as I don't have the book. What is the truth and has this been taken out of contect, if so how?

".....in his kitab "Minhaj as-Sunnah" Ibn Tamiyyah has made so much criticism against especially Saidina Ali to the point of attacking a companion which the Prophet (peace be upon him) has married to his own daughter, and also one of the Khalifah Rasyidin..."

Salahadeen
9th June 2008, 11:16 AM
Akhi, it is a horrendous lie. But what quote are we talking about?

Ibn Taymiyyah [ra] refers to Ali [ra] in his book as the PRINCE OF THE BELIEVERS. Does someone use that title for someone he is insulting!?

Tauheed
9th June 2008, 11:24 AM
No quote akh, just wanted feedback from any of the brothers who has read the book as to what is the book about and what text could have been misconstrued.

Secondly the quote you mentioned what book is it from and what is the exact reference as it is a good point.

Madarijas-Salikeen
9th June 2008, 11:24 AM
as-salaamu alaykum,

It seems very unlikely that Ibn taymiyah rahimahullah spoke ill of Ali ibn Abu Talib radiallahu anhu. If you see his aqeedah wasitiyah you will see his views on the companions radiallahu anhum. Not only this but he has a section on the view of Ahlus Sunnah concerning the ahluh bayt. He has nothing but praise for them and he condemns the nawasib and the rawafid.

Salahadeen
9th June 2008, 11:31 AM
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah’s Love for Ahlel Bayt

One of the harshest opponents of the Shia was Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, and because of this, some of the Shia have slandered him by claiming that he was a Nasibi (i.e. hater of Ahlel Bayt). Answering-Ansar refers to him as “Imam of the Nasibis, Ibn Taymiyya”. And yet, Ibn Taymiyyah was a lover of Ahlel Bayt; not only did he love the Ahlel Bayt, but he publically declared the necessity of loving the Ahlel Bayt as a part of the creed of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah. Let us narrate what Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah wrote in his most famous book, Al-Aqeedah Al-Wasitiyyah; he said:

“They (the believers) accept what has been reported continuously from the Prince of the Believers Ali Ibn Abi Talib…”

(Ibn Taymiyyah, Al-Aqeedah Al-Wasitiyyah, Chapter 4)

Ibn Taymiyyah said further:

“The best men of this Ummah after its Prophet are: Abu Bakr; then Umar; third: Uthman; and fourth: Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with them all).”

(Ibn Taymiyyah, Al-Aqeedah Al-Wasitiyyah, Chapter 4)

In regards to the Prophetic Household, Ibn Taymiyyah said:

“The Ahlus Sunnah should love the Prophet’s family, give them support, and honor the Prophet’s will in regards to them, as he said at Ghadir Khumm: ‘I ask you by Allah to take care of my family; I ask you by Allah to take care of my family.’”

(Ibn Taymiyyah, Al-Aqeedah Al-Wasitiyyah, Chapter 4)

Explaining the Sunni creed, Shaykh al-Islam said:

“They (Ahlus Sunnah) love the people of the household of the Messenger of Allah; they regard them with love and loyalty, and they heed the command of the Messenger of Allah concerning them…but they reject the way of the (Shia) Rafidhis who hate the Sahabah and slander them, and they reject the way of the Nasibis who insult Ahlel Bayt in words and deed.”

(Ibn Taymiyyah, Majmoo al-Fatawa, 3/154)

Ibn Taymiyyah was so aggrieved by the death of Husayn at Kerbala, that he said the following:

“May Allah curse his killers, and whoever was glad with his murder!”

(Ibn Taymiyyah, Majmoo al-Fatawa, Vol.4, pp.403-404)

Note: Ibn Taymiyyah did not mention any names, as it is not the practice of the Sunnis to revile the dead by name or person, but rather Ibn Taymiyyah stated a conditional and general statement, i.e. whoever killed Husayn ibn Ali is to be cursed.

It is altogether interesting how careless the Shia are when it comes to throwing around insults of being Nasibi! It is very similar to the irresponsible attitude of Israeli Zionists who throw around insults of being anti-Semitic if anyone insults Israel. The Shia define a “Nasibi” to be one who insults the Shia, and in actuality their definition of the word has nothing at all to do with the Ahlel Bayt! How dishonest is Answering-Ansar’s claims that Ibn Taymiyyah was a Nasibi: which Nasibi in his right mind would call for the obligation of loving the Prophetic Household? Which Nasibi would claim that Ali ibn Abi Talib was from amongst the four greatest men in all of Islamic history? Would not a Nasibi be happy at the death of the Prophet’s grandson? And yet Shaykh al-Islam curses those who killed Husayn ibn Ali and those who are happy over his murder!

The Shia propagandists refer to us as “Takfeeris” and other such things, but the reality is that it is they who are guilty of this! Let us remind the reader that in Shia Fiqh a “Nasibi” is considered worse than a Kaafir. Notice how easily the Shia propagandists refer to people as “Nasibis”; we have no doubt that Answering-Ansar will one day refer to us as Nasibis! Why then should the Shia ever complain about “Takfeeri Sunnis” when they themselves are guilty of worse than this? In fact, we are hard-pressed to find a single rebuttal on Answering-Ansar where they refrain from calling the Sunni author to be a Nasibi. Calling someone a Nasibi is Takfeer, and it is in fact worse than Takfeer!

Article Written By: Ibn al-Hashimi, www.ahlelbayt.com

Tauheed
9th June 2008, 12:26 PM
Shukran :smile

Adnan Jalaal
9th June 2008, 02:07 PM
What could be possible is that Sheikh ibn Taymiyyah's statements have been misconstrued. And as far as promoting ideas go, others take this as an advantage to defame their adversaries in theology.

Abu Ikrimah
9th June 2008, 02:22 PM
Asalaam alaikum, can someone please confirm the following as I don't have the book. What is the truth and has this been taken out of contect, if so how?

".....in his kitab "Minhaj as-Sunnah" Ibn Tamiyyah has made so much criticism against especially Saidina Ali to the point of attacking a companion which the Prophet (peace be upon him) has married to his own daughter, and also one of the Khalifah Rasyidin..."

Akhi, I can bet my life that Shaykhul Islam never made such a statement is his Minhaj As-Sunnah or anywhere else. I am sure that this is another rafidi lie.

You can download the book here and do a search on 'ali' if you like...

http://saaid.net/book/open.php?cat=1&book=760

Tauheed
9th June 2008, 02:40 PM
shukran akhi, however I know very little Arabic