anonymouse
19th June 2008, 08:06 PM
there is no Muslim Shia nowadays…
http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1946.0
Ibn Al-Qayyim in Al-Turuq Al-Hakmiyyah said:
قال ابن القيم - رحمه الله - في الطرق الحكمية :
قلت : من كفر بمذهبه ؛ كمن ينكر حدوث العالم ، وحشر الأجساد ، وعلم الرب تعالى بجميع الكائنات ، وأنه فاعل بمشيئته وإرادته ، فلا تقبل شهادته لأنه على غير الإسلام . فأما أهل البدع الموافقون لأهل الإسلام ، ولكنهم مخالفون في بعض الأصول ؛ كالرافضة ، والقدرية ، والجهمية ، وغلاة المرجئة ، ونحوهم ، فهؤلاء أقسام :
I say: Those who made takfir because of his madhab –such as those who denies the alam is not (hudus) eternal; bodily gathering (in the akhirah) Allah knows everything in the universe; His ability to do whatever He wishes- their shahadah (witnessing) will not be accepted; it is because they are not among the Muslim. Among the ahl bidah such as Rafidha, Jahmiyya, Qadariyya, Ghulat Murjia; who although practice in accordance to Islam, they make opposition in some matters; are divided in sects within their selves.
My comment is: As seen clearly; Ibn Qayyim (ra) differentiates from those sects such philosophies who go against the usuluddin and that must be known as a dharura to be Muslim and those sects whose bidah do not reach to the kufr. He also does not tolerate their ignorance as an excuse for those sect whose shirk is open however he classifies the later sects of bidah whose bidah do not reach to the limits of kufr.
أحدها : الجاهل المقلد ، الذي لا بصيرة له ، فهذا لا يكفر ولا يفسق ولا ترد شهادته إذا لم يكن قادراُ على تعلم الهدى ، وحكمه حكم المستضعفين من الرجال والنساء والولدان الذين لا يستطيعون حيلة ولا يهتدون سبيلا ، فأولئك عسى الله أن يعفو عنهم وكان الله عفواً غفوراً .
The first: The jahil (ignorant) mukallid (imitator). Those are not on basirah. (Meaning they are not performing their deviation with knowledge). If these are in a state that they are not able to learn the hidayah; they will not be made takfir of nor called as fasiq. Their shahadah also will not be rejected. They are like “Except those who are (really) weak and oppressed - men, women, and children - who have no means in their power, nor (a guide-post) to their way.” And “For these, there is hope that Allah will forgive: For Allah doth blot out (sins) and forgive again and again.” see an-Nisa 4/98-99
My comment: Those imitators who imitate the ones who although accepts the general hukm of tawhid and Islam, deviated regarding the secondary matters of aqidah; will be hoped that Allah may forgive them due to their lack of power to learn the ilm. It is because Allah will not load mankind something they can not carry. “do not lay on us a burden” (al-Baqarah 2/286)
القسم الثاني : المتمكن من السؤال وطلب الهداية ومعرفة الحق ، ولكن يترك ذلك اشتغالاً بدنياه ورياسته ولذته ومعاشه وغير ذلك ، فهذا مفرط ، مستحق للوعيد ، آثم بترك ما وجب عليه من تقوى الله بحسب استطاعته ، فهذا حكمه حكم أمثاله من تاركي بعض الواجبات ، فإن غلب ما فيه من البدعة والهوى على ما فيه من السنة والهدى ردت شهادته ، وإن غلب ما فيه من السنة والهدى قبلت شهادته .
The second group: Those who while has the ability of investigating the truth and have the chance to gain the truth; for the such reasons: the business of dunya (this world), fighting for leadership, struggling to make living, are those who abandon (attaining ilm). Indeed this individual is condemned and deserves the punishment. He will be responsible in as much of his ability; regarding the fear of Allah for the things that he left which were wajib for him. His hukm is the same as those who abandon some of the wajib. If his bidah and hawa is more than his (submission to) sunnah and hidayah then his shahadah will be rejected. If his sunnah and hidayah are more (heavier) his shahadah will be accepted.
I say: Mumin will engrave the absolute wala and the kafir engraves the absolute enmity and hatred. Those having iman with fisq, fujr and bidah will be shown wala as much iman he has and also he will be shown the enmity and hatred as much deviation he has who is among the Muslim. The matter of shahadah is also same in the ruling.
القسم الثالث : أن يسأل ويطلب ويتبين له الهدى ويتركه تقليداً وتعصباً ، أو بغضاً أو معاداة لأصحابه ، فهذا أقل درجاته أن يكون فاسقاً ، وتكفيره محل اجتهاد وتفصيل ، فإن كان معلناً داعية ردت شهادته وفتاويه وأحكامه مع القدرة على ذلك ، ولم تقبل له شهادة ولا فتوى ولا حكم إلا عند الضرورة ، كحال غلبة هؤلاء واستيلائهم ، وكون القضاة والمفتين والشهود منهم ، ففي رد شهادتهم وأحكامهم إذ ذاك فساد كثير ، ولا يمكن ذلك ، فتقبل للضرورة .
Third group: Those who turn away from hidayah (meaning the aqidah of ahl sunnah) because of his taqlid and taassub (fanaticism) or his enmity and hatred towards the ahl haqq. The least degree they will own is being fasiq. The matter of making takfir of them is a matter of ijtihad and necessitates detailed explanation. If they are among the ones who calls for his bidah openly; their shahadah, fatawa and hukm they give will be rejected by those who have the power (to reject it). The shahadah, fatawa and the hukm of such will not be accepted unless in a state of dharurah (necessity). This will only take place in situation as when they seize the government. It is not possible when the qadi, muftu and witnesses are from among this ahl bidah; it will cause a big chaos to reject their shahadah and hukm. Their shahadah will be accepted due to dharurah.
As a result: Ibn Qayyim (ra) here speaking regarding the acceptance or rejection of the shahadah of the ahl bidah whose bidah do not reach the level of kufr. His acceptance of their ignorance as an excuse for them is also related with this issue. This hukm is not valid for the Shia of today.
First of all there is not only one group of Shia in the past; indeed they were many and they all had difference in aqidah. For those who are interested may refer to the books of the history of madhabs. I am going to paste the classification of Shia groups by Imam Shatibi:
Shia sects (http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1368.0)
a) Ghulat
1- Sabaiyya
2- Kamiliyya
3- Bayaniyya
4- Mughiriyya
5- Janahiyya
6- Mansuriyya
7- Hattabiyya
8- Ghurabiyya
9- Zammiyya
10- Hishamiyya
11- Zurariyya
12- Yunusiyya
13- Shaytaniyya
14- Ridhamiyya
15- Mufawwiza
16- Badaiyya
17- Nasriyya
18- Ismailiyya
i) Batiniyya
ii) Karamita
iii) Haramiyya
iv) Sab’iyya
v) Babakiyya
vi) Hamdiyya
b) Zaydiyya
1- Jarudiyya
2- Sulaymaniyya
3- Bashiriyya
c) Imamiyya
Today even among those who attribute themselves to sunnah there is only a little real ahl tawhid; I do not understand what they are trying to bring forth those who claim that there are some who will be excused due to his ignorance among The Rafidha of today. And it is very known fact that the major shirk of today’s Shia are democracy, worshipping the taghouts, grave worshipping, tasawwuf which are same as those who claim to be sunnih.
revolution and the revolutionists on the scale of tawhid (http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1756.0)
In summary the revolutionists of the Republic of Iran and their supporters -this includes the one who does not make takfir of them- are in kufr for so many points and we are going to list 10 of them (except not actualizing the rejection of taghout, but being a taghout itself of the Republic of Iran):
1- They held a referendum for bringing the shariah in.
2- Being a member of the UN and its sub-establishments.
3- Taking kafir and mushriks as friends and brothers.
4- Showing respect and revering towards the flags and national anthem of the kuffar.
5- Accepting and labeling as Muslims, those in the so called Islamic countries which are governed with democracy, nationalism, socialism etc such as Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria etc. Iran, accepts as Muslims, those so called Islamic countries which have Shiite and sufistic beliefs and movements in their countries such as Azarbayjan, Pakistan etc.
6- Supporting and showing respect to wahdati-i wujud and taking deviated supervisors as wali of Allah.
7- Permitting to ask madad-shafaah from the dead and not making takfir of them
8- Believing the imams know the unseen
9- Believing the Qur’an was altered and/or not making takfir of those who claims that the Qur’an is altered, but showing respect to them.
10- Supporting the democratic systems by supporting the taghouti hizb.
It is possible and very easy to extend the list but we believe the message we want to share is understood. We only listed the major kufr, not the bidah and other deviations. We are trying to warn those who have sincerity but on the wrong path. Those supporters of Iran may understand that Iran is not a daru’l-Islam and with making a tawbah then attend to a new struggle with a new aqedah, -aqedah of salafi salihin- before the torment of Allah (awj) finds them. May Allah keep us in the path of RasulAllah (saw), his blessed ashab and the truthful salafi salihin…
Some other kufr of theirs will be listed as the following:
1- Their belief regarding the revelation of wahy to Fatima (raa), and the Qur’an which had revealed to her.
2- Their belief regarding their imam being masum (innocent)
3- Their takfir towards to the majority of sahaba and Muslim
4- Their rejection of the sunnah and hadith
As a last word I can say there were some sects of Shia of the past whose bidah do not reach kufr, they did not receive takfir however they are not in existence nowadays. Among those which exist today the Zaydiyya is the only sect that there was an ikhtilaf on regarding their kufr. This hukm will only be valid for those among Zaydiyya of today who rejects the taghout and the shirk of today’s world. The one who looks with basirah will surely see that the Shia of today are to most distant to tawhid; and there is no need to talk about the muwahhid amongst them. They are deviants not only in the furu al-Iman, but also in the usul al-Iman. In the language of ahlu’l-fiqh, the one who deviates from Islam in furu is a bidah holder, and the one who deviates from Islam in usul is a kafir. Their deviation is not only in matters of haram and halal, but also in matter of shirk and tawhid; they are not to be accounted between ahlu’l-qiblah and ahl tawhid, they are separated from the millah of Islam and ummah, therefore they all are kafir and there is no Muslim Shia nowadays…
Shi'ites - exploiters of the Ahlul Bayt (http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?board=16.0)
http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1946.0
Ibn Al-Qayyim in Al-Turuq Al-Hakmiyyah said:
قال ابن القيم - رحمه الله - في الطرق الحكمية :
قلت : من كفر بمذهبه ؛ كمن ينكر حدوث العالم ، وحشر الأجساد ، وعلم الرب تعالى بجميع الكائنات ، وأنه فاعل بمشيئته وإرادته ، فلا تقبل شهادته لأنه على غير الإسلام . فأما أهل البدع الموافقون لأهل الإسلام ، ولكنهم مخالفون في بعض الأصول ؛ كالرافضة ، والقدرية ، والجهمية ، وغلاة المرجئة ، ونحوهم ، فهؤلاء أقسام :
I say: Those who made takfir because of his madhab –such as those who denies the alam is not (hudus) eternal; bodily gathering (in the akhirah) Allah knows everything in the universe; His ability to do whatever He wishes- their shahadah (witnessing) will not be accepted; it is because they are not among the Muslim. Among the ahl bidah such as Rafidha, Jahmiyya, Qadariyya, Ghulat Murjia; who although practice in accordance to Islam, they make opposition in some matters; are divided in sects within their selves.
My comment is: As seen clearly; Ibn Qayyim (ra) differentiates from those sects such philosophies who go against the usuluddin and that must be known as a dharura to be Muslim and those sects whose bidah do not reach to the kufr. He also does not tolerate their ignorance as an excuse for those sect whose shirk is open however he classifies the later sects of bidah whose bidah do not reach to the limits of kufr.
أحدها : الجاهل المقلد ، الذي لا بصيرة له ، فهذا لا يكفر ولا يفسق ولا ترد شهادته إذا لم يكن قادراُ على تعلم الهدى ، وحكمه حكم المستضعفين من الرجال والنساء والولدان الذين لا يستطيعون حيلة ولا يهتدون سبيلا ، فأولئك عسى الله أن يعفو عنهم وكان الله عفواً غفوراً .
The first: The jahil (ignorant) mukallid (imitator). Those are not on basirah. (Meaning they are not performing their deviation with knowledge). If these are in a state that they are not able to learn the hidayah; they will not be made takfir of nor called as fasiq. Their shahadah also will not be rejected. They are like “Except those who are (really) weak and oppressed - men, women, and children - who have no means in their power, nor (a guide-post) to their way.” And “For these, there is hope that Allah will forgive: For Allah doth blot out (sins) and forgive again and again.” see an-Nisa 4/98-99
My comment: Those imitators who imitate the ones who although accepts the general hukm of tawhid and Islam, deviated regarding the secondary matters of aqidah; will be hoped that Allah may forgive them due to their lack of power to learn the ilm. It is because Allah will not load mankind something they can not carry. “do not lay on us a burden” (al-Baqarah 2/286)
القسم الثاني : المتمكن من السؤال وطلب الهداية ومعرفة الحق ، ولكن يترك ذلك اشتغالاً بدنياه ورياسته ولذته ومعاشه وغير ذلك ، فهذا مفرط ، مستحق للوعيد ، آثم بترك ما وجب عليه من تقوى الله بحسب استطاعته ، فهذا حكمه حكم أمثاله من تاركي بعض الواجبات ، فإن غلب ما فيه من البدعة والهوى على ما فيه من السنة والهدى ردت شهادته ، وإن غلب ما فيه من السنة والهدى قبلت شهادته .
The second group: Those who while has the ability of investigating the truth and have the chance to gain the truth; for the such reasons: the business of dunya (this world), fighting for leadership, struggling to make living, are those who abandon (attaining ilm). Indeed this individual is condemned and deserves the punishment. He will be responsible in as much of his ability; regarding the fear of Allah for the things that he left which were wajib for him. His hukm is the same as those who abandon some of the wajib. If his bidah and hawa is more than his (submission to) sunnah and hidayah then his shahadah will be rejected. If his sunnah and hidayah are more (heavier) his shahadah will be accepted.
I say: Mumin will engrave the absolute wala and the kafir engraves the absolute enmity and hatred. Those having iman with fisq, fujr and bidah will be shown wala as much iman he has and also he will be shown the enmity and hatred as much deviation he has who is among the Muslim. The matter of shahadah is also same in the ruling.
القسم الثالث : أن يسأل ويطلب ويتبين له الهدى ويتركه تقليداً وتعصباً ، أو بغضاً أو معاداة لأصحابه ، فهذا أقل درجاته أن يكون فاسقاً ، وتكفيره محل اجتهاد وتفصيل ، فإن كان معلناً داعية ردت شهادته وفتاويه وأحكامه مع القدرة على ذلك ، ولم تقبل له شهادة ولا فتوى ولا حكم إلا عند الضرورة ، كحال غلبة هؤلاء واستيلائهم ، وكون القضاة والمفتين والشهود منهم ، ففي رد شهادتهم وأحكامهم إذ ذاك فساد كثير ، ولا يمكن ذلك ، فتقبل للضرورة .
Third group: Those who turn away from hidayah (meaning the aqidah of ahl sunnah) because of his taqlid and taassub (fanaticism) or his enmity and hatred towards the ahl haqq. The least degree they will own is being fasiq. The matter of making takfir of them is a matter of ijtihad and necessitates detailed explanation. If they are among the ones who calls for his bidah openly; their shahadah, fatawa and hukm they give will be rejected by those who have the power (to reject it). The shahadah, fatawa and the hukm of such will not be accepted unless in a state of dharurah (necessity). This will only take place in situation as when they seize the government. It is not possible when the qadi, muftu and witnesses are from among this ahl bidah; it will cause a big chaos to reject their shahadah and hukm. Their shahadah will be accepted due to dharurah.
As a result: Ibn Qayyim (ra) here speaking regarding the acceptance or rejection of the shahadah of the ahl bidah whose bidah do not reach the level of kufr. His acceptance of their ignorance as an excuse for them is also related with this issue. This hukm is not valid for the Shia of today.
First of all there is not only one group of Shia in the past; indeed they were many and they all had difference in aqidah. For those who are interested may refer to the books of the history of madhabs. I am going to paste the classification of Shia groups by Imam Shatibi:
Shia sects (http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1368.0)
a) Ghulat
1- Sabaiyya
2- Kamiliyya
3- Bayaniyya
4- Mughiriyya
5- Janahiyya
6- Mansuriyya
7- Hattabiyya
8- Ghurabiyya
9- Zammiyya
10- Hishamiyya
11- Zurariyya
12- Yunusiyya
13- Shaytaniyya
14- Ridhamiyya
15- Mufawwiza
16- Badaiyya
17- Nasriyya
18- Ismailiyya
i) Batiniyya
ii) Karamita
iii) Haramiyya
iv) Sab’iyya
v) Babakiyya
vi) Hamdiyya
b) Zaydiyya
1- Jarudiyya
2- Sulaymaniyya
3- Bashiriyya
c) Imamiyya
Today even among those who attribute themselves to sunnah there is only a little real ahl tawhid; I do not understand what they are trying to bring forth those who claim that there are some who will be excused due to his ignorance among The Rafidha of today. And it is very known fact that the major shirk of today’s Shia are democracy, worshipping the taghouts, grave worshipping, tasawwuf which are same as those who claim to be sunnih.
revolution and the revolutionists on the scale of tawhid (http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1756.0)
In summary the revolutionists of the Republic of Iran and their supporters -this includes the one who does not make takfir of them- are in kufr for so many points and we are going to list 10 of them (except not actualizing the rejection of taghout, but being a taghout itself of the Republic of Iran):
1- They held a referendum for bringing the shariah in.
2- Being a member of the UN and its sub-establishments.
3- Taking kafir and mushriks as friends and brothers.
4- Showing respect and revering towards the flags and national anthem of the kuffar.
5- Accepting and labeling as Muslims, those in the so called Islamic countries which are governed with democracy, nationalism, socialism etc such as Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria etc. Iran, accepts as Muslims, those so called Islamic countries which have Shiite and sufistic beliefs and movements in their countries such as Azarbayjan, Pakistan etc.
6- Supporting and showing respect to wahdati-i wujud and taking deviated supervisors as wali of Allah.
7- Permitting to ask madad-shafaah from the dead and not making takfir of them
8- Believing the imams know the unseen
9- Believing the Qur’an was altered and/or not making takfir of those who claims that the Qur’an is altered, but showing respect to them.
10- Supporting the democratic systems by supporting the taghouti hizb.
It is possible and very easy to extend the list but we believe the message we want to share is understood. We only listed the major kufr, not the bidah and other deviations. We are trying to warn those who have sincerity but on the wrong path. Those supporters of Iran may understand that Iran is not a daru’l-Islam and with making a tawbah then attend to a new struggle with a new aqedah, -aqedah of salafi salihin- before the torment of Allah (awj) finds them. May Allah keep us in the path of RasulAllah (saw), his blessed ashab and the truthful salafi salihin…
Some other kufr of theirs will be listed as the following:
1- Their belief regarding the revelation of wahy to Fatima (raa), and the Qur’an which had revealed to her.
2- Their belief regarding their imam being masum (innocent)
3- Their takfir towards to the majority of sahaba and Muslim
4- Their rejection of the sunnah and hadith
As a last word I can say there were some sects of Shia of the past whose bidah do not reach kufr, they did not receive takfir however they are not in existence nowadays. Among those which exist today the Zaydiyya is the only sect that there was an ikhtilaf on regarding their kufr. This hukm will only be valid for those among Zaydiyya of today who rejects the taghout and the shirk of today’s world. The one who looks with basirah will surely see that the Shia of today are to most distant to tawhid; and there is no need to talk about the muwahhid amongst them. They are deviants not only in the furu al-Iman, but also in the usul al-Iman. In the language of ahlu’l-fiqh, the one who deviates from Islam in furu is a bidah holder, and the one who deviates from Islam in usul is a kafir. Their deviation is not only in matters of haram and halal, but also in matter of shirk and tawhid; they are not to be accounted between ahlu’l-qiblah and ahl tawhid, they are separated from the millah of Islam and ummah, therefore they all are kafir and there is no Muslim Shia nowadays…
Shi'ites - exploiters of the Ahlul Bayt (http://www.darultawhid.com/en/forum/index.php?board=16.0)