learning without tashkeel?

[asharee_salafi]

as wr wb how is it possible for someone to earn arabic without tashkeel? its seems impossible to learn it all, is there anyone who has been through this?

[Fajr]

Wa `alaykumusalam wr wb

It's not impossible insha'Allah. I admit, it's a big jump though... I thought I would never do it until one day I locked myself up in my room and tried to read an Islamic book without any tashkeel. First time round it took me a couple of hours to get through a single page and I ended up with a headache but alhamdulillah it was a big step and after that it just got easier (I did it for a week straight at first, then spaced it out and changed books).

You have to keep it up though and listen to a lot of audios to familiarise yourself with the wide variety of vocab used by speakers/authors. Also, if you write arabic with tashkeel, try to leave it out next time so that when you go back to reading your own writing you should be able to read and understand it well (although it has no harakat)

[hearandobey]

i learnt arabic without tashkeel, but the reason why i was able to do so very easily was because i was living with arabs in an arab country, hearing their speech all the time with no one speaking english to me, so i understood how words would be pronounced/read.

maybe if you do what i did, that will help?

[asharee_salafi]

HAO and Fajr.

how long was you in an arab country and was it with one of these institutes?

how long did it take you to learn arabic? i.e so that you can understand the Qu'ran.

how wa sit easeir to learn arabic without tashkeel cos ur around arabs?

talking of the Qu'ran, what do you think of it now you read then before...sometimes when i read the Qu'ran, i can get bored...I often get lost on the topic because it suddenly shifts...and I find it repetive, like I have read this before, did you feel the same?

thanks!

[asharee_salafi]

errrrmmm hi!

[Fajr]

how long was you in an arab country and was it with one of these institutes?I go back and forth. Yeah it was with an institute but my biggest boost was with my Qur'an teacher who I used to see about 4 to 6 days a week. She couldn't speak or understand English so I had to work extra hard in my studies (alhamdulillah she spoke fluent fus-ha & corrected all my mistakes)

how long did it take you to learn arabic? i.e so that you can understand the Qu'ran.Still studying but started to understand Qur'an a lot more about 4-5 months into my studies.

how wa sit easeir to learn arabic without tashkeel cos ur around arabs?Not really because all my friends spoke 'amiyyah! I found it easier to read without harakaat because I listened to a lot of audio tapes & again, my teacher helped a lot.

talking of the Qu'ran, what do you think of it now you read then beforeA world of difference, seriously.

[asharee_salafi]

thanks fajr, more questions later if thats ok .

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

Ican go over the alphabet much and even read some text (that i already know the vocabulary) but even with the diatric marks i have problems. I dont know why its so challenging for me.

[asharee_salafi]

Hi Fajr :)

Can I ask you pls.

Is it advisable that someone can learn some arabic vocab by himself before he approaches the high level of the Qu'ran? To what extent wil this help him understand the Qu'ran and hadeeth better?

Secondly, if one studies grammar via the Qu'ran, to what extent will that help in in understanding the grammar the way the people speak? Because surely the Qu'ranic arabic is not really used by arabs anymore.

Thanks.