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Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
3rd July 2008, 05:22 PM
well salafi brothers/sisters share the manhaj lol:)
Adem Al-Albani
3rd July 2008, 06:01 PM
Another fitnah thread.
Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
3rd July 2008, 06:03 PM
Another fitnah thread.
just a healthy discussion bro
Adem Al-Albani
3rd July 2008, 07:24 PM
Not on this forum. Too many immature youth.
Abu Ikrimah
3rd July 2008, 10:28 PM
well salafi brothers/sisters share the manhaj lol:)
I have to say that I agree.
I've been waiting 10 years for people to explain what the manhaj is, and yet nobody has done so (although they will quickly tell you who is off it)
There is a www.salafimanhaj.com and surprise surprise, they do not tell you what this pure clear way is either....
Imagine if the BBC news website had no news on it and was just full of BS - there would be uproar.... Why not the same for Islam?
alghayb
4th July 2008, 07:17 AM
What is wrong with Manhaj? I have been reading the below and it is just a methodology/system of which is the Qur'an and Sunnah solely for the Salafi or those who adhere to those only today? Is it not just the method of those who adhere to dawat-us-salafiyyah? See below for terminology/
What is the Impotance of Manhaj? (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/aqeedah/manhaj/index.htm)
Questions & Answers Concerning Manhaj (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/scholars/jabiree/questions_and_answers_concerning_manhaj.htm) by Shaykh ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree
http://www.salafimanhaj.com/manhaj_home.php
Salaf = Literally means "those (from history) who precede, have gone before".
Salaf as-Saalih = The people of the past, namely the first three generations of pious muslims during and after the revelation of the Qur'an, i.e.the Sahabah (companions) of the Prophet, saaws , the Taabi'een (followers) and the Taabi Taabi'een (followers of the followers). Islam teaches that As-Salaf as-Saalih (or "Salaf" as sometimes referred to in short), are superior in their understanding of the Revelation of Al-Qu'ran. Generally speaking, the people present during any event (such as the revelation of the Quran) will understand it better than those who read about it later.
* The Prophet, saaws, said: "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].
* "The best of people is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them (i.e. the first three generations of Muslims)." [Reported by Bukhari and Muslim- Mutawaatir].
* "My Ummah will not unite upon error." [Reported by at-Tirmidhee and Haakim - Sahih]
Salafi = Means "of the salaf". The "i" (sounds like "ee") on the end of the word means "of the", "of" and/or "are". The word "salafi" can only be used in association with words that are of things that are truly from the far past, and in this case (when refering to Islamic matters) are truly from the first three generation of pious muslims, or those who came after them, but who are still in the far past to us today.
Salafi muslim = Those who adhere to dawat-us-salafiyyah best describe themself as a "Muslim" whose minhaj (methodology/system) is Qur'an and Sunnah and madhdhab (way) is that of the salaf.
There is no such thing as a "salafi muslim" (muslim of the salaf) in today's time. In order to be a salaf, you had to live during the first 3 generations during and/or after the revelation of the Qur'an. To make a sunnah out of calling yourself a salafi muslim is to state that 1) you are of the first three generations of pious muslims after the revelation of the Qur'an and 2) you have potential for division into a sect. One may use the word "Salafi Muslim" but not make a sunnah/tradition out of it, as though it is a required part of the religion.
Dawat-us-salafiyyah (also "Dawah Salafi", or "salafi dawah" although this is an english transposition of the two words- [say DOW-uh(t) uh sal-uh-FEE-uh]) = Literally means call of the past, those who preceded us. This is the spreading of Islam in accordance with Qur'an and Sunnah, recognizing the understanding of the pious Salaf in this matter as being superior (more accurate) than modern ideas and inventions, with an intention to avoid innovation in ibaddah (an all encompassing word for worship, i.e. halal [permissible] acts of submission to Allah swt).
Anikaa
4th July 2008, 08:52 AM
baraka'Allaahu feekum alghayb...
Abdulllah: Grow up.
Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
4th July 2008, 09:51 AM
baraka'Allaahu feekum alghayb...
Abdulllah: Grow up.
well i am just asking a normal question so you grow up and give a normal answer explain your ''manhaj'' i am open minded thats why i started the thread , wanted to hear the many different voices within salafism
Anikaa
4th July 2008, 10:05 AM
Oh, so you put a prefix that says, Funny and that means you're being serious?
Anyway, i'm gonna try and answer your question:
Salafi is term that some muslims attribute themselves to, so they can distinguish from the many sects amongst the ummah nowadays. Ulemaa have differed as to whether to call one's self a salafi or not, or actually i believe they said, you should only do it to make matters clear.
And basically, to be a salafi is to be on the path of the Salaf [righteous Predecessors.] It refers specifically to the first three generations of Islaam. The first, the Prophet
(Sal-Allaahu alayhe wassalam) and his Sahaabah (rady-Allaahu anhum). The second, the Taabi'een (the followers of the companions). The third, the Tabaa'at-Taabi'een (the followers of the followers of the companions). In general, this term refers to all those pious predecessors who followed the way of the Salaf and who have preceded us in time.
If you wanna know more about the aqeedah etc, it's basically everything from the Qur'aan wa Sunnah...I know there are some bro/sis on this manhaj that the beloved prophet (sal-Allaahu alayhe wassalam) told us to adhere to, and they unfortunately talk ill of some knowledagable people and twist and turn some issues. But this doesn't mean that we shouldn't be on this correct creed, just because others that are not sound in their faith are attributing themselves to it and stirring things up. wAllaahu ta'ala a'lam.
Insha-Allah my post helped. Sorry if i haven't answered your question properly as i'm not very knowledged.
Salahadeen
4th July 2008, 10:19 AM
What does it mean when people say that 'he is salafi in aqeedah but not in manhaj' ?
Anikaa
4th July 2008, 10:25 AM
Salah: First time i hear that.
justabro
4th July 2008, 11:01 AM
Imagine if the BBC news website had no news on it and was just full of BS - there would be uproar.... Why not the same for Islam?
no there wouldnt... then they could develop an american viewership
Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
4th July 2008, 11:31 AM
Oh, so you put a prefix that says, Funny and that means you're being serious?
Anyway, i'm gonna try and answer your question:
Salafi is term that some muslims attribute themselves to, so they can distinguish from the many sects amongst the ummah nowadays. Ulemaa have differed as to whether to call one's self a salafi or not, or actually i believe they said, you should only do it to make matters clear.
And basically, to be a salafi is to be on the path of the Salaf [righteous Predecessors.] It refers specifically to the first three generations of Islaam. The first, the Prophet
(Sal-Allaahu alayhe wassalam) and his Sahaabah (rady-Allaahu anhum). The second, the Taabi'een (the followers of the companions). The third, the Tabaa'at-Taabi'een (the followers of the followers of the companions). In general, this term refers to all those pious predecessors who followed the way of the Salaf and who have preceded us in time.
If you wanna know more about the aqeedah etc, it's basically everything from the Qur'aan wa Sunnah...I know there are some bro/sis on this manhaj that the beloved prophet (sal-Allaahu alayhe wassalam) told us to adhere to, and they unfortunately talk ill of some knowledagable people and twist and turn some issues. But this doesn't mean that we shouldn't be on this correct creed, just because others that are not sound in their faith are attributing themselves to it and stirring things up. wAllaahu ta'ala a'lam.
Insha-Allah my post helped. Sorry if i haven't answered your question properly as i'm not very knowledged.
it was under ''funny'' because a ''scholar'' wrote something against salafis but i decided later to edit the post and give a slightly different approach to the discussion, thanks for the answer anyway ,
Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
4th July 2008, 11:39 AM
Oh, so you put a prefix that says, Funny and that means you're being serious?
Anyway, i'm gonna try and answer your question:
Salafi is term that some muslims attribute themselves to, so they can distinguish from the many sects amongst the ummah nowadays. Ulemaa have differed as to whether to call one's self a salafi or not, or actually i believe they said, you should only do it to make matters clear.
nice idea but it didnt work , salafi sufi ahlel hadeeth , all titles to distinguish but it only divided the people and salafi'ism became a hezb aswell nonone can deny this , they are divided themselves , also the approach isnt very strong to ''distinguish by means of other labels then the groups you want to distinguish from'' , during the time of imam abu hanifa and imam ahmed etc there were many many sects but they didnt call themselves ''Salafi'' ''Sufi'' ''Sunni'' to distinguish the later khalaf started the salafi label some say it was al afghani and abduh who started it others trace it a few years earlier , anyway thanks sis for the answer
justabro
4th July 2008, 11:43 AM
This manhaj business was invented by the Madkhalis as a way of attacking anyone who is clearly salafi, yet has fallen out of the good graces of their group (i.e. cult). Usually, it revolves around criticizing the rulers (or one of a set of pet issues), or associating with those known to criticize the rulers, or anything else that smells Ikhwani.
It is sometimes worded as, "He is Salafi in Aqidah, but Ikhwani in manhaj." There's a bit of truth to this phrase in that there are some Salafis who were greatly influenced by Ikhwan or by Syed Qutb's writings in particular. It was only the Madkhalis, however, who decided to make this a litmus test for a person's Salafiyyah. Outside their circles, Syed Qutb is generally well thought of by most Salafis, or at the very least, he is given a fair assessment.
The stricter ones amongst the Madkhalis take this "criticizing the govt" business one step further. Any seeming criticism of Saudi society or culture can be misconstrued by them to be criticizing the rulers.
Back in the days when I was still with them (although I was already well on my way out), one of Rabee al-Madkhali's spiritual "sons" arranged a telelink Q/A session with Sh. al-Subayyal. I was the translator for that session. One of the questions - which I now forget - was about something to do with the difference between aqidah and manhaj. Sh. al-Subayyal responded quite angrily, "Manhaj? What Manhaj? What is this manhaj business?" In that session, he went on to praise a number of Salafi groups around the world such as Ansar al-Sunnah that are "off the manhaj".
Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
4th July 2008, 12:11 PM
This manhaj business was invented by the Madkhalis as a way of attacking anyone who is clearly salafi, yet has fallen out of the good graces of their group (i.e. cult). Usually, it revolves around criticizing the rulers (or one of a set of pet issues), or associating with those known to criticize the rulers, or anything else that smells Ikhwani.
It is sometimes worded as, "He is Salafi in Aqidah, but Ikhwani in manhaj." There's a bit of truth to this phrase in that there are some Salafis who were greatly influenced by Ikhwan or by Syed Qutb's writings in particular. It was only the Madkhalis, however, who decided to make this a litmus test for a person's Salafiyyah. Outside their circles, Syed Qutb is generally well thought of by most Salafis, or at the very least, he is given a fair assessment.
The stricter ones amongst the Madkhalis take this "criticizing the govt" business one step further. Any seeming criticism of Saudi society or culture can be misconstrued by them to be criticizing the rulers.
Back in the days when I was still with them (although I was already well on my way out), one of Rabee al-Madkhali's spiritual "sons" arranged a telelink Q/A session with Sh. al-Subayyal. I was the translator for that session. One of the questions - which I now forget - was about something to do with the difference between aqidah and manhaj. Sh. al-Subayyal responded quite angrily, "Manhaj? What Manhaj? What is this manhaj business?" In that session, he went on to praise a number of Salafi groups around the world such as Ansar al-Sunnah that are "off the manhaj".
lets keep it general akhi madkhalis are a minority in the world of salafis and i dont want to make this a madkhali discussion thread again lets keep it about the salafi approach rather then the many many groups within salafism
justabro
4th July 2008, 12:34 PM
lets keep it general akhi madkhalis are a minority in the world of salafis and i dont want to make this a madkhali discussion thread again lets keep it about the salafi approach rather then the many many groups within salafism
Abu Ikrimah asked a question, to which I responded
secondly, in America at least, Madkhalis are not a mere minority. Perhaps they have become a minority now, but until a few years ago, they were probably the majority of madkhalis in America, certainly on the East Coast.
Anikaa
5th July 2008, 06:10 AM
nice idea but it didnt work , salafi sufi ahlel hadeeth , all titles to distinguish but it only divided the people and salafi'ism became a hezb aswell nonone can deny this , they are divided themselves , also the approach isnt very strong to ''distinguish by means of other labels then the groups you want to distinguish from'' , during the time of imam abu hanifa and imam ahmed etc there were many many sects but they didnt call themselves ''Salafi'' ''Sufi'' ''Sunni'' to distinguish the later khalaf started the salafi label some say it was al afghani and abduh who started it others trace it a few years earlier , anyway thanks sis for the answer
At the time of the salaf-as-Saalih, the term Salafee was not needed. Because what differentiated them was that they called themselves Ahlul Hadeeth or As-haabul Hadeeth. Because either you took from the Hadeeth like they did or you didnt.
Imaam adh-Dhahabee in his Tadhkiratul Huffaadh (1/97) recorded from Imaam az-Zuhree, the illustrious Taabi'ee Scholar, that he went to the Khaleefah at his time Hishaam bin 'Abdul Maalik around the year 80H and dictated 400 ahaadeeth to his children.
((Hishaam bin 'Amaar narrated from al-Waleed bin Muslim from Sa'eed that Hishaam bin 'Abdul Maalik asked az-Zuhree to narrate to some of his children something, so he narrated 400 Hadeeth and az-Zuhree left and said "Where are you O As-Haab al-Hadeeth?))
And the proof that Ahlul Hadeeth was all that was necessary is that the Khawaarij, the Qadariyyah, the Jahmiyyah, Rawaafidh all didnt ascribe to Ahlul Hadeeth.
Ibn Muflih recorded in his Aadaab ash-Shari’yyah (1/238) that Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee said:
((Be with Ahlul Hadeeth, for they are the more correct than anyone else))
And from one of the early narrotors we find the use of the word "Salafee":
Such as in at-Tadhkiratul Huffaadh of Imaam adh-Dhahabee (98):
((It was narrated to me by Abul Fataah, al-Haafidh of Imlaa (dictation) that he read to Abil Hasan bin a-Jameezee from Abee Taahir al-Salafee we heard from Aboo 'Abdillaah ath-Thaqafee…))
So it comes by need, when the deviant groups such as the Ashaa'irah and Maatireediyyah started ascribing themselves to Ahlus Sunnah and the Hadeeth it became necessary to use the term Salafee as we've seen from scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibnul Qayyim and adh-Dhahabee and ad-Daaruqutnee and many others.
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Considering the above, if someone was to ask me what i am (i.e. my faith), i'd obviously say i'm muslim. But as i said before, because of the amount of sects amongst the ummah nowadays, i'd clearly state to be on the manhaj of the salafus salih. Now what is it that you're having a problem understanding? Sufis, etc are tottally irrelevant to this discussion, they're upon bid'ah and salafis are upon haqq...So why should we even try and relate to the two?
aboo ayaat al hindee
5th July 2008, 08:48 AM
just be a MUSLIM and let your actions speak for themselves. one can clearly tell who is upon bidaah wa'ash-shirk by the views they propagate, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. [2:256]
if by madhkhalee you mean the actual followers of shaykh rabee then yes they may be a minority, but the majority of so called 'salafiyoon' (even the jihaadee strain) have the same exact mentality.
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one will enter Paradise who has an atom’s-weight of pride in his heart.” A man said, “What if a man likes his clothes to look good and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on people.” [Muslim}
Salahadeen
5th July 2008, 08:53 AM
This manhaj business was invented by the Madkhalis as a way of attacking anyone who is clearly salafi, yet has fallen out of the good graces of their group (i.e. cult). Usually, it revolves around criticizing the rulers (or one of a set of pet issues), or associating with those known to criticize the rulers, or anything else that smells Ikhwani.
It is sometimes worded as, "He is Salafi in Aqidah, but Ikhwani in manhaj." There's a bit of truth to this phrase in that there are some Salafis who were greatly influenced by Ikhwan or by Syed Qutb's writings in particular. It was only the Madkhalis, however, who decided to make this a litmus test for a person's Salafiyyah. Outside their circles, Syed Qutb is generally well thought of by most Salafis, or at the very least, he is given a fair assessment.
The stricter ones amongst the Madkhalis take this "criticizing the govt" business one step further. Any seeming criticism of Saudi society or culture can be misconstrued by them to be criticizing the rulers.
Back in the days when I was still with them (although I was already well on my way out), one of Rabee al-Madkhali's spiritual "sons" arranged a telelink Q/A session with Sh. al-Subayyal. I was the translator for that session. One of the questions - which I now forget - was about something to do with the difference between aqidah and manhaj. Sh. al-Subayyal responded quite angrily, "Manhaj? What Manhaj? What is this manhaj business?" In that session, he went on to praise a number of Salafi groups around the world such as Ansar al-Sunnah that are "off the manhaj".
Great post, jazakh-Allah khair.
Anikaa
5th July 2008, 09:21 AM
just be a MUSLIM and let your actions speak for themselves. one can clearly tell who is upon bidaah wa'ash-shirk by the views they propagate, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. [2:256]
if by madhkhalee you mean the actual followers of shaykh rabee then yes they may be a minority, but the majority of so called 'salafiyoon' (even the jihaadee strain) have the same exact mentality.
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one will enter Paradise who has an atom’s-weight of pride in his heart.” A man said, “What if a man likes his clothes to look good and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on people.” [Muslim}
You can't generalise like that akhi.
In all honesty, i don't know much about shaykh rabee'. I've read some of his works, but not the heavy stuff. So, i don't really know why you're saying that there's pride in those who are upon/call to this manhaj.
justabro
5th July 2008, 09:28 AM
just be a MUSLIM and let your actions speak for themselves. one can clearly tell who is upon bidaah wa'ash-shirk by the views they propagate, no matter what they choose to call themselves.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. [2:256]
if by madhkhalee you mean the actual followers of shaykh rabee then yes they may be a minority, but the majority of so called 'salafiyoon' (even the jihaadee strain) have the same exact mentality.
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one will enter Paradise who has an atom’s-weight of pride in his heart.” A man said, “What if a man likes his clothes to look good and his shoes to look good?” He said, “Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Pride means denying the truth and looking down on people.” [Muslim}
U'r right, alot of the hardcore jihadi salafis (e.g. Tibyan) these days have become a foil for the Madkhalis... they are just as much a cult
Abdullah Ali al Hanafi
5th July 2008, 11:35 AM
At the time of the salaf-as-Saalih, the term Salafee was not needed. Because what differentiated them was that they called themselves Ahlul Hadeeth or As-haabul Hadeeth. Because either you took from the Hadeeth like they did or you didnt.
Imaam adh-Dhahabee in his Tadhkiratul Huffaadh (1/97) recorded from Imaam az-Zuhree, the illustrious Taabi'ee Scholar, that he went to the Khaleefah at his time Hishaam bin 'Abdul Maalik around the year 80H and dictated 400 ahaadeeth to his children.
((Hishaam bin 'Amaar narrated from al-Waleed bin Muslim from Sa'eed that Hishaam bin 'Abdul Maalik asked az-Zuhree to narrate to some of his children something, so he narrated 400 Hadeeth and az-Zuhree left and said "Where are you O As-Haab al-Hadeeth?))
And the proof that Ahlul Hadeeth was all that was necessary is that the Khawaarij, the Qadariyyah, the Jahmiyyah, Rawaafidh all didnt ascribe to Ahlul Hadeeth.
Ibn Muflih recorded in his Aadaab ash-Shari’yyah (1/238) that Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee said:
((Be with Ahlul Hadeeth, for they are the more correct than anyone else))
And from one of the early narrotors we find the use of the word "Salafee":
Such as in at-Tadhkiratul Huffaadh of Imaam adh-Dhahabee (98):
((It was narrated to me by Abul Fataah, al-Haafidh of Imlaa (dictation) that he read to Abil Hasan bin a-Jameezee from Abee Taahir al-Salafee we heard from Aboo 'Abdillaah ath-Thaqafee…))
So it comes by need, when the deviant groups such as the Ashaa'irah and Maatireediyyah started ascribing themselves to Ahlus Sunnah and the Hadeeth it became necessary to use the term Salafee as we've seen from scholars such as Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibnul Qayyim and adh-Dhahabee and ad-Daaruqutnee and many others.
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Considering the above, if someone was to ask me what i am (i.e. my faith), i'd obviously say i'm muslim. But as i said before, because of the amount of sects amongst the ummah nowadays, i'd clearly state to be on the manhaj of the salafus salih. Now what is it that you're having a problem understanding? Sufis, etc are tottally irrelevant to this discussion, they're upon bid'ah and salafis are upon haqq...So why should we even try and relate to the two?
we dont need the salafi label now either.
i say i would agree with the Fatwa of Shaikh Bin Uthaymeen regarding this label/hezb issue:
Alaykum Bissunnah
by Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Salih Ibn Uthaymeen
From his [the Prophet’s] statement:
“Whoever lives amongst you will see much differing, so adhere to my Sunnah”,
It can be learnt that if parties (ahzaab) within the ummah emerge in increasing numbers then one should not affiliate himself to a party (hizb). In the past, many groups have appeared; Khwaarij, Mu’tazilah, Jahmiyyah, Shee’ah, even Raafidah. Then there appeared, later on Ikhwanis, Salafis, Tablighis, and all those like them. Put all of them to one side and take [the path] ahead. Which is what the Prophet guided to, “Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs.” No doubt, it is obligatory for all Muslims to adopt the way of the salaf [i.e. the first generations of the Muslims] as their madhhab, not affiliation to a specific party (hizb) named, “The Salafis”. It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called “the salafis”. Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called “the salafis”.
(partial fatwa)
*The tape is part of his Sharh of An-Nawawi's 40 hadeeth, in the sharh of the hadeeth of Irbaad ibn Saariyah (no.28).
tahzir_salafiya.mp3
Lecture "Alaykum Bissunnah
Adem Al-Albani
5th July 2008, 02:55 PM
Threads like this should be closed from the beginning.
justabro
5th July 2008, 03:00 PM
Threads like this should be closed from the beginning.
Brother, I'm asking honestly, why do you say that?
Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari
5th July 2008, 03:45 PM
well i am just asking a normal question so you grow up and give a normal answer explain your ''manhaj'' i am open minded thats why i started the thread , wanted to hear the many different voices within salafism
Sarcasm or irony is not a normal way to start a healthy discussion. You introduced the topic with a reprehensible sexual double entendre.
UPDATE. AlhamduliLlah, despite wrong start, I have read many useful comments.
aboo ayaat al hindee
5th July 2008, 06:53 PM
And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah (i.e. this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allah's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islamic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided. [3:103]
So set you (O Muhammad) your face towards the religion of pure Islamic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allah Alone) Allah's Fitrah (i.e. Allah's Islamic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalqillah (i.e. the Religion of Allah Islamic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [30:30]
(Always) Turning in repentance to Him (only), and be afraid and dutiful to Him; and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and be not of Al-Mushrikun (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, polytheists, idolaters, etc.). [30:31]
Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islamic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid'ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it. [30:32]
Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman: The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a state should take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state." [Bukhari]
islamic@rebel
5th July 2008, 10:21 PM
((It was narrated to me by Abul Fataah, al-Haafidh of Imlaa (dictation) that he read to Abil Hasan bin a-Jameezee from Abee Taahir al-Salafee we heard from Aboo 'Abdillaah ath-Thaqafee…))
Could it be that his name is As-Silafee, rather than as-salafee? Someone wrote a bio of him and it was with a kasrah.
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5th July 2008, 11:11 PM
Could it be that his name is As-Silafee, rather than as-salafee? Someone wrote a bio of him and it was with a kasrah.
Yes it's as-silafee
seeker_of_knowledge
6th July 2008, 08:18 AM
we dont need the salafi label now either.
i say i would agree with the Fatwa of Shaikh Bin Uthaymeen regarding this label/hezb issue:
Alaykum Bissunnah
by Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Salih Ibn Uthaymeen
From his [the Prophet’s] statement:
“Whoever lives amongst you will see much differing, so adhere to my Sunnah”,
It can be learnt that if parties (ahzaab) within the ummah emerge in increasing numbers then one should not affiliate himself to a party (hizb). In the past, many groups have appeared; Khwaarij, Mu’tazilah, Jahmiyyah, Shee’ah, even Raafidah. Then there appeared, later on Ikhwanis, Salafis, Tablighis, and all those like them. Put all of them to one side and take [the path] ahead. Which is what the Prophet guided to, “Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs.” No doubt, it is obligatory for all Muslims to adopt the way of the salaf [i.e. the first generations of the Muslims] as their madhhab, not affiliation to a specific party (hizb) named, “The Salafis”. It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called “the salafis”. Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called “the salafis”.
(partial fatwa)
*The tape is part of his Sharh of An-Nawawi's 40 hadeeth, in the sharh of the hadeeth of Irbaad ibn Saariyah (no.28).
tahzir_salafiya.mp3
Lecture "Alaykum Bissunnah
Subhanallah wonderful post..
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