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al-Qadesiyah
18th July 2008, 05:22 PM
click here ! (http://sunnairan.wordpress.com/)

Saifur Rahman Al Afghani
18th July 2008, 08:04 PM
Does anyone know what the shar'ee ruling on the rawafid is? It it true that they can be killed due to their kufr only? Can someone post some fatawa please?

al-Qadesiyah
18th July 2008, 08:36 PM
- عن ابن عباس قال كنت مع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وعنده علي فقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يا علي سيكون في أمتي قوم ينتحلون حب أهل البيت لهم نبز يسمون الرافضة قاتلوهم فإنهم مشركون.
رواه الطبراني وإسناده حسن15663.


The Ahl al-Bayt (Ibnu Abbas and Ali ibnu Abi Taleb may Allah be pleased with them) said about their claimants - the Rafidah

15663- It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Abbas, that he said: I was in the company Messenger of Allah peace and blessings be upon him and with him was Ali (ra) and the messenger peace and blessings be upon him said O Ali in my nation there shall be a people claim to love the Ahl al-Bayt (prophetic household) they have a (negative) nickname and are called the Rafidah (rejectionists) fight them! For they are Mushrikeen (polytheists)

[narrated by Al-Tabarani and its chain (Isnad) is Hasan (Good)] also in Fi Zilal al-Jannah of al-Albani and Al-Heythami in Majma` as-Sawaed Site or nr. 10/25. The narrators are trustworthy though there is a difference of opinion about some of them. This is the only Hadith with the term Rafidah and the]

This is by the way and the justice of the scholars of Ahl as-Sunnah ! Ibn Taymiyah was upon the opinion that all the Ahadith of the aforementioned type are weak ! to say the least ! even though he was one of the biggest enemies and conquerors of the religion of Rafidah ! yet according to HIM all the narrations are weak ! (see Minhaj as-Sunnah). No stubbornness just judging about these Majoos of the Ummah with Adilla !

Saifur Rahman Al Afghani
18th July 2008, 08:40 PM
So they CAN be killed due to their kufr only - even when they don't fight ahlus sunnat? Can you provide some fatawa akhee al kareem? Barakallaah feek!

al-Qadesiyah
18th July 2008, 09:00 PM
no I didn't say KILL ...eventhough their combatants HAVE TO BE KILLED and this is what the Iranian Sunnah mujahideen are doing with the Mushrikeen of the Revolutionary Guards of the Rafidah regime.

bro. Shaykhuna Ibnu Jibreen and Imam Zargawi rahimahullah gave Fatawa to kill the COMBATANTS of the Rawafid in Iraq (where as Ayatul-Satan Shirazi and Yaser al-Habib the ultra-Mushrik gave Fatawa to KILL all the Sunnah of Iraq and to expel them).

The Fatawa are Mash-hoor ask arab bros. they will get'em for you Insha ALLAH

Abu_Talha
18th July 2008, 09:49 PM
Was az-Zarqawi ('alyhi rahmatullah) qualified to pass fataawa? I wouldn't have thought so.

Saifur Rahman Al Afghani
18th July 2008, 10:29 PM
I’ve read Shaykh Ibn Jibreen’s fatwa, but I don't think al zarqawi was qualified to issue fatawa, and I believe he did declare a full scale war against ALL shiites in Iraaq for which he was criticized by the ulama' and even by his own teacher al maqdesi and al zawahiri. Please correct me if I’m wrong barakallaah feek. There is no doubt about the combatant shiites my noble brother, but my question was about the non-combatants amongst them? Is it permissible to kill shiites, just because they are shiites?

I was reading through your website and I came across this:

Shiraz bombing carried out by Sunnah Iranian Jihadi group

http://sunnairan.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/clip_image0022.jpg?w=236&h=300

June 3, 2008 by sunnairan

A new group by the name of ”Harakat Jihad Ahle Sonnat Iran “(Jihadi movement of the Sunnah people of Iran) took the responsibility of the bombing in one of the Shia Rafidite Temples in Shiraz (south Iran)

Bombing one of the Rafidah Shia Hussayniyyah Temples in Shiraz as a retaliatory measure for the several tortures & assassinations of Sunni Iranian youth, and scholars in general and in particular for the assassination of two innocent Sunni scholars in the city of Iranshahr on April 2008.

For this and many other crimes of this NON-Islamici Rafidi regime the group of “the Jihadi movement of the Sunnah people of Iran” actually wanted to start its operations in September 2008 but due to the bloodthirstiness of the Rafidi Safawi regime and the execution of the two Sunni scholars in Iranshahr, it started its operation with the Shiraz bombings on 13.04.2008. The operation which involved Blowing up One of the Rafidite Hussayniyats (Rafidite twelver Shia place of worship which is DIFFERENT from a mosque, this is where they gather for lamentation to slap their cheeks, slash themselves, tear their clothers and call on their saints (Imams) as the Catholics do and where the companions of the Prophet [saws] are abused. This place of Bi’dah (innovation) is used by the government to emotionalise the Rafidi masses and actually the name of this innovated place says all: HUSSAINIYAH (derived from the name of al-Hussayn [ra]) was successfully carried out by the Mujahedeen of “Harakat jihad Ahle Sonnat Iran”

It started its operations afteralmost 30 years of oppression, persecution, and assassinations of Sunni activists and Sunni scholars. As in the last case of the two innocent Iranian Sunni scholars, Shaykh Abdul-Qoddus Mollahzahi (the director of the Madrasa of Dar al-Furqan in Iranshahr) Shaykh Mohamad Yusuf Sahrabi (the son of the daughter of the late Shaykh Mohammad Omar Sarbazi who was also assassinated by the Rafidi government) who were both hung in the city of Iranshahr on April 2008.

For as the crime of these two noble Iranian Sunni scholars, was nothing but defending the their belief and its people. The new resistance group, named: “The Jihadi movement of the Sunnah people of Iran” took the responsibility of this successful operation where more than 20 Rafidis had been killed and 200 of them were injured by the grace of Allah, this is the very first operation and the signal to the criminal Rafidi regime of Iran and the aims and prospects of the group to the government is that they stop its oppression, cruelty and injustice towards the Iranian Sunni majority (be it the most oppressed of all the Baloch Iranians, or the kurds or the Persian Sunnis) and to give the full rights to the Sunni minority inhabitants who are the biggest minority in Iran and who make up more than 1/3 of the population (15 mio.) and who are Iranian citizens too and actually the original inhabitants of the country and therefore we demand the same rights for them as the Shiites have.

As for the case that the Rafidite government refuses to give us our rights and if they do not stop to with their cruelty towards our youth and our scholars and all the Sunni Iranian minorities (Balochs, Kurds, Persians, Arabs, Turks etc) and their slanders of our beliefs, then our movement is ready to hit this corrupt government at its most sensitive roots at almost all areas and provinces of Iran at every place and everytime Insha’Allah. And since all the crimes of autarchy Rafidi regime of Iran are towards innocent Sunni youth and scholars (who do not believe in the paganstic Rafidi twelver religion neither in the system of Khomeinis regime and who defend their honour and the Sunnah (their beliefs) the “Harakat Jihad Ahle Sonnat Iran” declares that our targets will be also against all the Rafidite Shiites in Iran and we will not have mercy to anyone from among the infantry of the Rafidites be it women, men, old and young, as they do not have mercy on our people !

“…And fight against the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters) collectively, as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allâh is with those who are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious” [9:36].

Insha’ALLAH we will retaliate for each drop of blood that the Rafidi regime has spilt of our Sunni Brothers.

It is also important to note that according to some sources in the very day of the Shiraz Bombing the Shia Rafidi priest slandered and insulted the second khalifa of the Muslims, Omar bin Khattab [ra] with the worst and filthiest words possible. When this news reached The Sunnis in East Iran some were very excited and counted it as a retaliation for the honour of Omar [ra]

[Source: http://sunnairan.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/shiraz-bombing-carried-out-by-sunnah-iranian-group/

From what I understood - correct me if I’m wrong - all shiites in Iran are their targets? And also, why was this shia imam taken as prisoner? Did he personally take part in any crime, or is he punished for the crimes of the government? Wa Allaahu Aalim,

Salsabil
18th July 2008, 10:55 PM
I dont like Shias, and love Sunnis, but I wonder if US is playing any role there now? Like helping the Sunnis there etc.?

Abu_Talha
18th July 2008, 11:39 PM
I don't see why the Rafidhi civilians should have any different treatment from the civilians of other Mushrikeen. A non-combatant can not be killed intentionally.

I also read on Az-Zarqawi's ('alyhi rahmatullah) all out declaration of war against the Rafidhis, but I think the view of Sheikh al-Maqdisi and other scholars is stronger, that only combatants can be targetted and that takfeer cannot be applied wholesale to the whole Rafidhi population, as many are Jahil. Wallah A'alim.

Brother_Mujahid
18th July 2008, 11:42 PM
I dont like Shias, and love Sunnis, but I wonder if US is playing any role there now? Like helping the Sunnis there etc.?

Well, Ahl as-Sunna in Iran has been fighting against the Safawid regime long before the Americans became interested in open hostilities with Iran. America became only recently interested when their became issues over who would dominate Iraq and its resources. Now, I think the relationship between Jundullah and America is an exaggeration of the Safawid media, as it seems foolish on the part of America to fund an anti-American group with links to the Taliban (remember the Baluchi people are believed to be harboring al-Mulla Umar). The Americans prefer the secular neo-Maoist groups like the so-called Mujahidin-e Khalq and the Iranian-Kurdish PKK. Besides, what sort of assistence could the Americans covertly provide to Jundullah that they couldn't already acquire in the Pakistani tribal areas?

Saifur Rahman Al Afghani
19th July 2008, 12:00 AM
I came across this on the internet:

سائل العلام ابن عابدين 1/368-369
أفتى العلامة أبو السعود لما سئل عن الشيعة أيحل قتالهم وهل يكون المقتول منا شهيدا مع أنهم يدعون أن رئيسهم من آل النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وكيف يجوز قتالهم وهم يقولون لا أله إلا الله:
أن قتالهم جهاد أكبر والمقتول منا في المعركة شهيد وأنهم باغون في الخروج عن طاعة الإمام وكافرون من وجوه كثيرة، وإنهم خارجون عن الثلاث وسبعين فرقة من الفرق الإسلامية لأنهم اخترعوا كفرا وضلالا مركبا من أهواء الفرق المذكورة وإن كفرهم لا يستمر على وتيرة واحدة بل يتزايد شيئا فشيئا…فلذا أجمع علماء الأعصار على إباحة فتلهم وإن من شك في كفرهم كان كافرا فعند الإمام الأعظم وسفيان الثوري والاوزاعي أنهم إذا تابوا ورجعوا عن كفرهم إلى الإسلام نجوا من القتل ويرجى العفو كسائر الكفار إذا تابوا، أما عند مالك والشافعي وأحمد بن حنبل وليث بن سعد وسائر العلماء العظام فلا تقبل توبتهم ولا يعتبر إسلامهم ويقتلون حدا.

"Someone asked abu Saood about the Shia whether it was permissable to Fight with them and will our people killed be regarded as martyrs as they claim that their leader is from the progeny of Rasulullaah rand how is it permissable when they recite the kalima laa ilaha ilal lahu.” He answered by giving the following fatwa, ” fighting against them is regarded as Jihad Akbar and those who are killed in battle against them are declared Shuhadaa [martyrs] . They are renegades against the imaam and are kaafir because of many reasons. They are not included in the seventy three groups (of islam) They have openly innovated amny acts of kufr and falsehood in following their whims and fancies. The decision of their kufr is not based on one issue but daily it increases. Therefore the Ulema of our times have made ijmaa that it is permissable to kill them. Those who doubt their kufr becomes a kaafir. According to imaam abu haniefa, imaam sufyaan and imaam awzaaie if they repent then the repentence will be accepted like the rest of the kuffar. Imaam maalik, shafiee imaam ahmad bin hanbal and laith bin sad their toubah will not be accepted and they would be killed as punishment".

[Source: http://jaamiahamidia.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/fataawa-on-the-kufr-of-the-shia/

I don't know what the context of this statement is, but isn't Ibn ‘Abideen saying that killing shiites due to their kufr only is jihaad akbar? If this is true and there is an ijma', how come people criticized al zarqawi? Maybe akhee Abuz Zubayr or someone else can shed some light on this. Wa Allaahu 'Aalim,

Saifur Rahman Al Afghani
19th July 2008, 12:05 AM
But then Abu Baseer Al Tartusi says:

No Islamic Scholar Has Ever Issued a Fatwa to Kill Shi'ites Merely Because They Are Shi'ites

The Syrian Islamist Sheikh Abd Al-Mun'im Mustafa Halimah, also known as Abu Baseer Al-Tartousi, issued a communiqué in which he justified the targeting of certain Shi'ite groups by Sunni Jihad fighters as part of self-defense against Shi'ite aggression, but rejected the indiscriminate declaration that all Shi'ites are infidels just because they are Shi'ites and not because of their actions.

Al-Tartousi states: "When we talk of the sectarian war and its negative [consequences] in Iraq, we cannot refrain from mentioning that the Shi'ite-Safavid-Crusader alliance was the one that started the war, and that they continue to destroy, sabotage, and attack the inviolable holy places. The side that begins [the war] is the greater oppressor. [4]

"Secondly, it is known to all that the Shi'ite leaders and organizations, and especially the Safavid Badr forces [i.e., the Iranian-sponsored military wing of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq (SCIRI), headed by Abd Al-'Aziz Al-Hakim] and the Da'wa Party [headed by Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Al-Ja'fari] are still the greatest allies [of the Crusaders] and serve as a bridge that made it easier for the invading Crusaders to invade Iraq, to destroy it and to kill its Muslim residents. This is because their problem is not with the invaders and the enemies of the nation; instead, their main concern is how to take revenge on the Sunni Muslims in Iraq and on other Muslims in the neighboring countries, in as much as they can...

"Thirdly... the Muslim Jihad fighters in Iraq have the right to defend themselves, their religion, their honor, their holy places and their cities. [They have a right] to respond to aggression with aggression and to fight the Crusader invaders, as well as all their allies who have joined them in their plot and war against Iraq, in its destruction, and in the killing of its people, whatever their sect. Those who respond to oppression and to the aggression against the Muslim states and the holy places within them are not oppressors and are not unjust. Moreover, this is the greatest Jihad for the sake of Allah...

"Fourthly, the above does not necessarily mean that we justify and permit the sectarian war in Iraq, in which people are killed because of their name, identity or sect regardless of their opinions or actions... for not all the Shi'ites in Iraq - neither elite nor masses - are infidels. Moreover, not all the Shi'ites fight with the invaders and collude in their plot, and [not all of them] participate in the murder of Sunni Muslims and in the aggression against their honor and the holy places. Consequently, we cannot generalize by fighting [them] and killing [them] all indiscriminately, without considering what the texts of the Shari'a permit or prohibit...

"Furthermore, despite the black history of the Shi'ites, which is full of treason and conspiracy against the nation and its people on many occasions, we do not know of any highly regarded ulama of Islam who have issued a fatwa permitting the killing of any Shi'ite merely because he is Shi'ite."

[Source: http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP100005#_edn5

AbuOmar
19th July 2008, 12:13 AM
I’ve read Shaykh Ibn Jibreen’s fatwa, but I don't think al zarqawi was qualified to issue fatawa, and I believe he did declare a full scale war against ALL shiites in Iraaq for which he was criticized by the ulama' and even by his own teacher al maqdesi and al zawahiri.


Shaykh Abu Mus`ab az-Zarqawi( rahmatullah) did not declare a full scale war against ALL the shites as you put it. He had explained and clarified the situation many times. War was declared against the jaish e dajjal and other shite militia groups who were commiting a genocide of the Ahlus Sunnah in Iraq.

Shaykh Ayman az-Zawahiri(hafidhullah) did not criticize him.

Abu_Talha
19th July 2008, 12:33 AM
Either way, any Rafidhi pagan that takes up arms against the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah Mujahideen will and should be treated as an enemy combatant and be dispatched to Hell as swiftly as possible.

What Sheikh Abu Baseer says is what I've also heard from other scholars, that not every Shi'a is a Kaafir, and they can't be killed just because they're Shi'a.

However one of the nullifiers of Islam should always be kept in mind: whoever helps (militarily, financially, verbally, logistically etc) a Kaafir kill a Muslim is also a Kaafir and out of Islam (refer to the book by Sheikh ul-Islam Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab).

al-Qadesiyah
20th July 2008, 11:01 PM
I’ve read Shaykh Ibn Jibreen’s fatwa, but I don't think al zarqawi was qualified to issue fatawa, and I believe he did declare a full scale war against ALL shiites in Iraaq for which he was criticized by the ulama' and even by his own teacher al maqdesi and al zawahiri. Please correct me if I’m wrong barakallaah feek. There is no doubt about the combatant shiites my noble brother, but my question was about the non-combatants amongst them? Is it permissible to kill shiites, just because they are shiites?

I was reading through your website and I came across this:



From what I understood - correct me if I’m wrong - all shiites in Iran are their targets? And also, why was this shia imam taken as prisoner? Did he personally take part in any crime, or is he punished for the crimes of the government? Wa Allaahu Aalim,


yes, under certain circumstances it is allowed to kill their non-combatants (for example if they kill ours, according to Ibnu Othaymeen, 3Uyaree and Abi Qatada). Furthermore this is ANOTHER JIhadi Sunni group of Iran. You are referring to another one for:

there are several: www.Hizbulfurqan.org, Jundullah, Sazmane Mobarezeen Iran (which carried out the 3amaliyat which is mentioned in THIS thread. The 3amaliyat YOU have QUOTED above has been carried out by the Sunni Iranian Jihadi group of "Harakat Jehad Ahle Sonnat Iran". And they declared that they ONLY will attack the non-combatants of the Rafidi Iranians, if the Iranian regime and its thugs of the Revolutionary Guards and Basij refrain from tormenting Sunni Iranians and attacking and imprisoning them under the pretext of "spreading wahhabism", reverting from Rafidism to Islam !!!! etc.

Long live Ahl as-Sunnah of Iran

al-Qadesiyah
20th July 2008, 11:13 PM
And also, why was this shia imam taken as prisoner? Did he personally take part in any crime, or is he punished for the crimes of the government? Wa Allaahu Aalim,

please, Akhi al-Fadel, read the whole article ! the Mujahideen want to slaughter him as a retaliation measure for they have HANGED to innocent Sunnah Iranian scholars of us. The Sunnah Iranian Mujahideen are not even finished yet, we have to slaughter more than dozens of their priests.....to be equal...

O brother, IF you know how many scholars of us were slaughterd and tortured the crime of this priest is no less than the crime of ours and he is a scholar of the regime.

furthermore it is not MY site, I am just ONE of the Ansar of this site.

May Allah guide us all, AMEEN !

al-Qadesiyah
22nd July 2008, 02:27 AM
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