"You cannot wear abaya here"- Meet a Prince of Al Saloul

[Abu Maysara]

Enjoy the opinions of a prominent member of Al Saloul and tell us if his opinion of Hijaab and Abayaa is not kufr bawaah?
The Muttwa'a police have no right to enter this building and they are supposed to prevent evil in the "kingdom" (but they are only allowed to do it on the permission of the king...)
I know there are a lot of women in the video so i am sorry for the fasad in the video, but choose to post this as i strongly think its important for Muslims to see it with their own eyes (especially for those who believes that this is "Balad At-Tawheed)

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[I_Am_A_Hermit]

Somehow - this video does not surprise me at all.

[hearandobey]

everyone knows what this man is all about. btw, why condemn the whole aal sa'ood? are you saying there isn't a single muslim amongst them?

[AbuUsama]

everyone knows what this man is all about. btw, why condemn the whole aal sa'ood? are you saying there isn't a single muslim amongst them?

What does it has to do with this ?

[hearandobey]

thread subject, his signature?

[Abu Maysara]

everyone knows what this man is all about. btw, why condemn the whole aal sa'ood? are you saying there isn't a single muslim amongst them?The issue is not about 1 single man. He is a product of his family. If they were good people this guy wouldnt be able to do what he is doing. He is only acting upon the new so called freedom that is being introduced, influenced by the outside. The whole establishement is responsible for this. Go to any shopping mall in bigger cities such as Riyaadh or Jiddah and you will not be surprised. It is not isloted to this man only. The so called Muttawa police is under the king and they are told not to enter the premises of this prince, quite telling.

thread subject, his signature?
i do not deny that i do hate them for the sake of Allah swt. Nothing personal as i am not from a tribe that opposes them, its for my Deen only.

[Umm Ahmed]

Him saying that the woman only cover for prayer times , just shows how ignorant he is of his religion , and 'if the women want to be maftooah like that then may Allaah guide them ameen.

[hearandobey]

what? you still haven't answered the question: is the whole aal saud bad and there isn't a muslim amongst them? you've called the whole aal "saloul"? do you know how big an "aal" is?

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

The issue is not about 1 single man. He is a product of his family. If they were good people this guy wouldnt be able to do what he is doing. He is only acting upon the new so called freedom that is being introduced, influenced by the outside. The whole establishement is responsible for this. Go to any shopping mall in bigger cities such as Riyaadh or Jiddah and you will not be surprised. It is not isloted to this man only. The so called Muttawa police is under the king and they are told not to enter the premises of this prince, quite telling.


i do not deny that i do hate them for the sake of Allah swt. Nothing personal as i am not from a tribe that opposes them, its for my Deen only.

Nice sig.

[AbuUsama]

thread subject, his signature?

I like his Sig see even google knows who the agents are

[Abu Maysara]

what? you still haven't answered the question: is the whole aal saud bad and there isn't a muslim amongst them? you've called the whole aal "saloul"? do you know how big an "aal" is? Please sister,I do understand arabic and I am fully aware of what this mean. If you read and try to comprehend my first answer to your comment, then you may understand, i hope.
Do you maybe think that I do make takfeer of every single one of them?
The answer is no. You can hate someone without making takfeer of them.
But I do make takfeer of Al-Saud's regime as a whole as their Hukm is not Islamic but a mixture of tribal laws/english and some Islamic laws.

[Abu Ma'mar]

No doubt he is acting like a major pimp, but does this video make him a kaafir?

[Ibn malik]

Enjoy the opinions of a prominent member of Al Saloul and tell us if his opinion of Hijaab and Abayaa is not kufr bawaah?
The Muttwa'a police have no right to enter this building and they are supposed to prevent evil in the "kingdom" (but they are only allowed to do it on the permission of the king...)
I know there are a lot of women in the video so i am sorry for the fasad in the video, but choose to post this as i strongly think its important for Muslims to see it with their own eyes (especially for those who believes that this is "Balad At-Tawheed)

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Lets be honest, not only is this Kufr, but it ALSO reflects what the whole family generally is about. This man isn't an obscure and outcast member of the family, he is one of the most prominant figures of Aal Sa'ud.

[Abu Maysara]

No doubt he is acting like a major pimp, but does this video make him a kaafir?
to consider al Hijaab is only something for Salaah, yes.

[Al Maghribi]

to consider al Hijaab is only something for Salaah, yes.

What about the Shurut of Takfir?

[Nu7]

I already made a thread about this guy. What a disgrace.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Prince al-Walid bin Talal is the same man who was made a fool of by the former NYC mayor Guiliani after 9/11.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/11/rec.giuliani.prince/index.html

[Hamza]

No doubt he is acting like a major pimp, but does this video make him a kaafir?

Should the rules be obeyed? Whether or not he is outside the fold is pretty much irrelevant; if these are the rules being pushed shoould they be obeyed.

And if they are disobeyed and lead to conflict with the regime, surely the brothers need to defend themselves.

[ummafnaan]

Masha'allah! His very own PLAYBOY MANSION!

And did I hear him say 'money God blessed me with'. Yeah right! More like money you and your family stole. Insha Allah these people are doomed in this life and the hereafter.
Urrrrgh! My blood is boiling... Again.

[Nu7]

Why do Middle Eastern women go crazy with the make-up when they are trying to be westernized? I've noticed that westernized "muslims" in general tend to go over the top to be more "modern". Some who don't even like alcohol will start drinking because that is what westerners do to socialize. Others will wear skimpy outfits which they don't even feel comfortable in because it is "in".

I've heard some kaafir friends/acquaintances I used to have ridicule socalled "muslims" who were trying too hard to fit in. These idiots need to realize that the kuffar will never fully accept them and they will still look down on them no matter how hard they try to be like them. Nothing they do will be enough.

The sad thing is that many of them are happy to play the role of second class humans since they basically worship westerners.

[Nooristan]

They looked like those cheapo mobsters wife's of GoodFellows.......

[Brother_Mujahid]

Should the rules be obeyed? Whether or not he is outside the fold is pretty much irrelevant; if these are the rules being pushed shoould they be obeyed.

And if they are disobeyed and lead to conflict with the regime, surely the brothers need to defend themselves.

Yes, whether al-Walid bin Talal has fallen into ridda or not is beside the point. The question is whether there is anyone inside Saudi Arabia who will stand up to this nonsense and have people like al-Walid put in their place. Where is the new generation of activist scholars to pick up the mantle of Shaykh Safar al-Hawali, Shaykh Salman al-'Awda, Shaykh Nasir al-'Umar, Shaykh 'Ali al-Khudayr, and Shaykh Hamud bin al-Uqla?

[Salahadeen]

And what about Usama bin Ladin's half brother who is a fashion designer in Europe?

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

And what about Usama bin Ladin's half brother who is a fashion designer in Europe?

What about him?

['Abd al-Kareem]

Yes brother Salahadeen what about him?

Are we just naming random people? Because I'm good at that?

What about John T. Scopes who was charged in 1925 with violating Tennessee's Butler Act, which prohibited the teaching of evolution in Tennessee schools?

[Abu Bakr as-Somali]

What about Lex Luthor who was cloning people?

[Umm Ahmed]

Muslims in Saudi sin, just the same as muslims who sin in Pakistan or Britain. The women who work for him they made a choice to take off their clothes and there will be plenty of women not covering in front of their cooks and cousins.

They are only people who rule , they are like the multitude of thousands of muslims who think Islaam is praying five times a day fasting in Ramadan and going to hajj.
Maybe we all think they should have higher standards because they are ruling over a place that's sacred , but they probably don't see it that way at all.
The siraat al mustaqeem is a wide road if they choose it , if they don't then it's their loss.

[ummafnaan]

Muslims in Saudi sin, just the same as muslims who sin in Pakistan or Britain. The women who work for him they made a choice to take off their clothes and there will be plenty of women not covering in front of their cooks and cousins.

They are only people who rule , they are like the multitude of thousands of muslims who think Islaam is praying five times a day fasting in Ramadan and going to hajj.
Maybe we all think they should have higher standards because they are ruling over a place that's sacred , but they probably don't see it that way at all.
The siraat al mustaqeem is a wide road if they choose it , if they don't then it's their loss.

Ukhti, I think the issue is that it is one thing to sin; which we all do. And it is a totally different ball game when you justify the sin you are doing by saying it IS NOT a sin. That then takes you out of the fold of Islam.
He said the reason the women are not wearing Hijab, is because hijab is only worn during prayer; secondly that it doesn't matter how much he has to spend, he would want to see more women, more or less 'liberated' like the women in the video.
We SHOULD hold them to higher standards because they are living in a land that has the highest number and 'most respected scholars' in the world. Who are we kidding? Are you saying that he can be excused just like any other lay man on the street?

[Ibn malik]

Muslims in Saudi sin, just the same as muslims who sin in Pakistan or Britain. The women who work for him they made a choice to take off their clothes and there will be plenty of women not covering in front of their cooks and cousins.

They are only people who rule , they are like the multitude of thousands of muslims who think Islaam is praying five times a day fasting in Ramadan and going to hajj.
Maybe we all think they should have higher standards because they are ruling over a place that's sacred , but they probably don't see it that way at all.
The siraat al mustaqeem is a wide road if they choose it , if they don't then it's their loss.
I saw blatant istihlaal in that video. So its more than just stupidity on his part. Its closer to sedition against what he sees as a backward Islamic country. Look at his words, they are words of revolution and change. Unfortunately this dog isn't interested in bettering the state of Saudi, rather he seems more committed to getting as much clothes off of women as possible.

THis man's inferiority complex has been the cause of his kufr; as in his attempts to emulate the West he has began a war on Islamic principles and ideals.

[Abu Maysara]

They are only people who rule ,
That is not to be called only . Ruling is a very important task .Ruling according to that which Allah swt has sent down and legislating as well is a praiseworthy thing, that has many positive consequences, one of them is that more and more people will be touched by simple see Islam in practice and in which harmony Muslims are living under Shareah. This will also lead to many people coming towards Islam as a natural effect of the Da'wah that an Islamic state will come forward with.
The righteous ruler is the one that people will come to love and can in many cases be a cause of people coming to Islam after the guidance of Allah.
On the other hand, the satanic ruler, is the one that will lead his people astray, (except for those whom Allah shows his Mercy upon).
This tyrannic ruler will be a fitnah for the Believers just as for the disbelievers , for the believers as I mentioned before, he will try his utmost to oppress his people and to dilute the teachings of Islam by any means, even to create fitnah amongst Muslims as well as influence the people of knowledge to be his voice in front of people, be it fatawaa, books or lectures that sometimes contains words supporting the tyrant.

There is therefore a big difference between the "regular "Muslim on the street (who, if he is a bad person, may influence a person here and there), and the ruler (who may corrupt a whole nation or a big part of the Ummah even), and they will be account as thus in front of Allah swt.

they are like the multitude of thousands of muslims who think Islaam is praying five times a day fasting in Ramadan and going to hajj.
the average muslim who thinks so, and keep it as such is he equal to those who legislate that Hijaab is forbidden and that (as in some countries) whine and beer can be sold?
Is that average muslim, who pray and go to hajj and thats it, equal to those that invite foreign armies to set up bases so that they can attack neigbour countries and pour bombs over children and women and kill our brothers on the front lines there?
Please, brothers and sisters. Wake up and realize that the crusader armies are standing at your borders, and in some cases they are already in the country.
Is this Islam according to the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet,sas.? That we should be silent over this transgression and let them weaken the implementation of the Deen, little by little?
We have seen an Islamic Awakening in the Ummah every since the first Jihad in Afghanistan and the enemies of the Deen they noticed that and are doing their utmost to stop it and to reverse it , so that Muslims go back to their Jaahil was of before.
May Allah swt prevent them from doing this and give victory to those who fight to raise Allah swt's word high.

[Yousef al Khattab]

Muslims in Saudi sin, just the same as muslims who sin in Pakistan or Britain. The women who work for him they made a choice to take off their clothes and there will be plenty of women not covering in front of their cooks and cousins.

They are only people who rule , they are like the multitude of thousands of muslims who think Islaam is praying five times a day fasting in Ramadan and going to hajj.
Maybe we all think they should have higher standards because they are ruling over a place that's sacred , but they probably don't see it that way at all.
The siraat al mustaqeem is a wide road if they choose it , if they don't then it's their loss.

Asalam 3leikoum wr wb,

Aukht I hear what you are saying, the problem with this prince is he forces it down the throat of all Arabs by making it available in their homes via his tv channel LBC. Prince Talal is FAAAAAAAAAAR from being a Marwan Barghouti.

Fiamanillah

[Noorah]

is he part of the government? Everyone knows waleed was always a total whack anyway. His own father was chucked out of saudi for a time too

[Adem Al-Albani]

What a loser.

[Abu_Talha]

Salaam

Even though his apparent actions are one of istihlaal, I think we can't yet make takfeer on him unless the hujja has been established. Maybe he is so ignorant of Islam that he doesn't know that hijab is a Fard. I think we should lay off calling people kaafirs/murtads/zindeeqs so easily unless we have proof that someone has established the hujja on him. But as I said, on the apparent, his actions are that of clear istihlaal

That's just my opinion, feel free to point out the errors.

Jazakallah Khair

[IbnHashimBinUthman]

This clown Bin Talal has investments in The Sun UK news paper. I noticed a large tropy with Sun logo on his show case in a differnt docu a few years back.

When the elite are rotten then it surely is accepted and spreads to the masses of the subjects. Whether he is an isolated case or it does not reflect the whole regime is a different argument.
One can say these 'guardians of muslims' have no power to defend an inch of Muslim Holy land against an infidel Army (during Saddam and now Crusaders), but what shall we say about the institutions that are supposed to guard the Deen.
This phsyco has guns displayed arround his palace and the regime uses its guns to supress any dissent claiming deviants are perverting the Deen with Fatwahs from the
kings Scholars saying Kharijites are rebelling against the ruler. Where is the moral police, surely this deviant is intentionaly and openly perverted.

[y-mughal]

Even though his apparent actions are one of istihlaal, I think we can't yet make takfeer on him unless the hujja has been established. Maybe he is so ignorant of Islam that he doesn't know that hijab is a Fard. I think we should lay off calling people kaafirs/murtads/zindeeqs so easily unless we have proof that someone has established the hujja on him. But as I said, on the apparent, his actions are that of clear istihlaalJazakallah Khair

Who says we have to establish hujjah on a person in each and every case before calling them a Kaafir? Are you saying for example we would have to establish the proofs on person X who is a Barelvi or maybe a Rafidhi who calls upon other than Allah (swt) before saying he has disbelieved? We don't have to establish no hujjah against an individual before calling them a Kaafir for the things known from the Deen by necessity. Is Hijab an obscure part of the religion where it is difficult to tell what exactly Allah (swt) has commanded us to do? As for ignorance with regard to Hijab is the individual new to Islam maybe or maybe lives in a remote place secluded away from Muslims and Ahlul Ilm? I think the answers are fairly obvious don't you?

[abu~Adil as somali]

no Doubt He Is Acting Like A Major Pimp, But Does This Video Make Him A Kaafir?

Y E S

[Abu_Talha]

Are you saying for example we would have to establish the proofs on person X who is a Barelvi or maybe a Rafidhi who calls upon other than Allah (swt) before saying he has disbelieved?

I don't call every Barelvi or Rafidhi a Kaafir. I say what they follow (i.e. their 'ideology') is Kufr and Shirk, and if I'm given the proof that person X is actually aware of what he believes and is not ignorant of the way of Ahlus Sunnah, then yes, I would happily call him a Kaafir.

We don't have to establish no hujjah against an individual before calling them a Kaafir for the things known from the Deen by necessity.

"Imam Ahmad prayed for mercy for the caliphs who were influenced by the view of the Jahamis who claimed that the Qur’aan was created, and supported it and prayed for forgiveness for them, because he knew that it was not clear to them that they were disbelieving the Messenger (SAW) and denying what he had brought, rather they misinterpreted and erred, and followed those who said that to them" - straight off Islamqa.

The Kufr of those caliphs was pretty open, but I've never heard of Imam Ahmad making takfeer of them. Anyway, this is a minor issue.


On a side note, there's something I wanted to ask. Did Imam Ahmad ever call for rebellion against the Mu'atazila influenced Khalifas, such as Ma'mun?

Jazakallah Khair

[ummafnaan]

I don't call every Barelvi or Rafidhi a Kaafir. I say what they follow (i.e. their 'ideology') is Kufr and Shirk, and if I'm given the proof that person X is actually aware of what he believes and is not ignorant of the way of Ahlus Sunnah, then yes, I would happily call him a Kaafir.



"Imam Ahmad prayed for mercy for the caliphs who were influenced by the view of the Jahamis who claimed that the Qur’aan was created, and supported it and prayed for forgiveness for them, because he knew that it was not clear to them that they were disbelieving the Messenger (SAW) and denying what he had brought, rather they misinterpreted and erred, and followed those who said that to them" - straight off Islamqa.

The Kufr of those caliphs was pretty open, but I've never heard of Imam Ahmad making takfeer of them. Anyway, this is a minor issue.


On a side note, there's something I wanted to ask. Did Imam Ahmad ever call for rebellion against the Mu'atazila influenced Khalifas, such as Ma'mun?

Jazakallah Khair

Masha'allah brother. Well said. As regards Ma'mun, from the little knowledge I have is that the reason why Imam Ahmed did not call for rebellion against him was because he was ruling by the Shari'ah of Allah. And as you said earlier he also excused them as it was an issue in which one could have easily been misled out of ignorance. Wallahu Musta'an

[Abuz Zubair]

Ignorance is an excuse where people are generally ignorant about what may be known by necessity in another part of the planet. He lives in Saudi Arabia where no one is ignorant about the obligation of Hijab. Moreover, he can easily phone up any of the Aal al-Shaykh to rid himself of ignorance.

[Abu_Talha]

Jazakallah Khair sister, I forgot about the ruling by the Shari'ah (not that any of our current leaders can claim that quality).

But seriously, does it even matter if al-Waleed ibn Talal is a Kaafir or not? What he's doing is wrong and can (and must) be opposed without making takfeer on him. Allahu 'Alm

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

He is Westernized modernist of the ilk of Kemal Ataturk. Sadly that's about the only common denominator between Saudis and Turks.

Ummah lives in the world of a room with one big huge elephant in it called Western materialism.

I started to doubt my current position of taking only what is good from the West (in terms of technology).

What if what is the so called progress is 100% bad?

Not only women lib or PACE, imperialism or consumerism.

What if this list includes technology, includes penicillin, includes cars, includes electricity, everything that humanity developed after the Salaf?

What if our major jihaad should be against technology, destroying the sanitizes world of iPods with its chemical relief of any physical suffering?

What if what we should do is to attack DNS servers and cut the transcontinental cables?

The symbol of our era stuck in my mind is the solemn image of the elder Pakistani highlander made by a photographer during last "Ramadhan" earthquake. He, his wife, his children, his family were spending their nights under freezing temperature high in the mountains without electricity, with scarce basic food, with only fire to warm them up.

THAT image is powerful and messageful per se already. But what is much more powerful and more symbolic is that the whole family kept fasting despite all the calamities.

I know that fast is the basic, barebone degree of being a Muslim, but for some reason that was the image that made it for me, that sparkled the contrast.

I was reading a first volume of Islamic History (3 volumes) revised by Mubarakpuri (one of the two) yesterday about Uthmani khalifate and he wrote that the Khalifate of Uthman brought a change to the Islamic state. Khalif 'Umar was very poor and people of Islamic state were not spoiled yet by the riches of the new Islamic empire. During Uthman, Muslims started to enjoy the spoils of this world.

Uthman was a Sahabi, Righteous Khalifa, a rich but very generous Muslim, of the ten who were promised Paradise during his lifetime, yet even during such Righteous Khilafate of his, Ummah already started to deteriorate.

It is very difficult to be completely disaffected by the technological progress around us, it builds on us. So may be we should go to the root of the fitnah. May be it is time to start Islamic Luddism.

[Abu_Talha]

Uncle, that post made no sense.

[Abuz Zubair]

Uncle, that post made no sense.
Know your place, young man :)

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

Uncle, that post made no sense.

A sociologist would understand.

[Abu_Talha]

I mean no disrespect to my many uncles on this forum, I'm only your young admirer inshallah.

Sociology...what a waste of time.

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

I mean no disrespect to my many uncles on this forum, I'm only your young admirer inshallah.

Sociology...what a waste of time.

No it isn't.

It allows one to understand what is really going on.
The underlying principles.

[Abu_Talha]

Sister I'm assuming you did/are doing sociology?

Even IF it helped in understanding 'underlying principles', they would all be from a Western Kufr perspective, so no thank you. Islam is enough for me alhamdulillah.

[seeker_of_knowledge]

Enjoy the opinions of a prominent member of Al Saloul and tell us if his opinion of Hijaab and Abayaa is not kufr bawaah?
The Muttwa'a police have no right to enter this building and they are supposed to prevent evil in the "kingdom" (but they are only allowed to do it on the permission of the king...)
I know there are a lot of women in the video so i am sorry for the fasad in the video, but choose to post this as i strongly think its important for Muslims to see it with their own eyes (especially for those who believes that this is "Balad At-Tawheed)

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If there are Muslims in the Al Saud dynasty why can't they come out against the kufr going on in their country ? I will better say that the Shia Ahmednijad have more fear of Allaah(swt) than the Al-Saud family, he atleast has the guts to openly criticise America and Israel and even saying "Death to America,Death to Israel".

Brother Abu Maysara nice sig, did ya make it ?

[Abuz Zubair]

I mean no disrespect to my many uncles on this forum, I'm only your young admirer inshallah.

Sociology...what a waste of time.
I was being sarcastic and hinting at something else... too sad you didn't get it :)

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

Sister I'm assuming you did/are doing sociology?

Even IF it helped in understanding 'underlying principles', they would all be from a Western Kufr perspective, so no thank you. Islam is enough for me alhamdulillah.

I did Social Anthropology.

But it isn't all necessarily kufr perspective. If it were - would one think like this (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=128880&postcount=42)?

[Abu Ma'mar]

Not all of Aal Su'ood are evil, many of them are are but some aren't.

This is Prince Khalid bin Talal


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[Abu wakee]

Sister I'm assuming you did/are doing sociology?

Even IF it helped in understanding 'underlying principles', they would all be from a Western Kufr perspective, so no thank you. Islam is enough for me alhamdulillah.

This is an extremely ignorant statement, unfortunately. Firstly because the modern sociology can be traced back to Ibn Khaldun's magnum opus 'al-muqadimmah' and the study and priniciples found therein. A 'kafir' prof. of mine once declared him founder of 'sociology'.

Secondly, because sociology is a discipline is just a set of priniciples and rules and techniques that we use to observe society and draw up conclusions. I really don't see how any one can have a problem with that?!

Thirdly you're tying a science to being 'kufr' when there isn't any basis upon which you can make such an assertion except that many 'kafirs' expounded many of its principles. Well so what? It is a tool and anyone can utilize it and build upon it.

( Also,Remember that Prophet (saw) even had some jews teach the sahabah how to read and write...)

And I can go on and on with the reasons. Don't be stupid.

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

I would like to remind everybody starting from myself that there are two angels seating on your shoulders recording every click and wink you make here, reporting to Allah, subhanahu wa ta'aala, every Monday and Thursday.

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

I would like to remind everybody starting from myself that there are two angels seating on your shoulders recording every click and wink you make here, reporting to Allah, subhanahu wa ta'aala, every Monday and Thursday.

Just to point out - I didn't say anything wrong or incorrect.

But thank you for the reminder.

[ummafnaan]

I would like to remind everybody starting from myself that there are two angels seating on your shoulders recording every click and wink you make here, reporting to Allah, subhanahu wa ta'aala, every Monday and Thursday.

Jazaakallahu khairan my brother. Wallahi I cannot understand how arrogant some people can be and call themselves muslims. How some people find it so easy to open their mouths and call fellow muslims such awful names is beyond me.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لاَ يَسخَر قَوم ٌ مِنقَومٍ عَسَى أَنيَكُونُوا خَيرا ً مِنهُم وَلاَ نِسَاء ٌ مِننِسَاءٍ عَسَى أَنيَكُنَّ خَيرا ً مِنهُنَّ وَلاَ تَلمِزُوا أَنفُسَكُم وَلاَ تَنَابَزُوا بِالأَلقَابِ بِئسَ الاِسمُ الفُسُوقُ بَعدَ الإِيمَانِ وَمَنلَم يَتُبفَأُولَائِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. How bad is it, to insult one's brother after having Faith [i.e. to call your Muslim brother (a faithful believer) as: "O sinner", or "O wicked", etc.]. And whosoever does not repent, then such are indeed Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.). Hujuraat:11

If we truly love Allah we would heed to this warning, because a lot of us are heading for our own destruction with this filthy, obnoxious attitude of throwing insults all over the place at whom we please.
And Rasul(saw) also told us that one of the signs of the HYPOCRITE is the first one who uses abusive language during an argument. So please ask yourself, DO I HAVE A SIGN OF NIFAAQ IN ME???

[Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari]

Just to point out - I didn't say anything wrong or incorrect.

That it is why I started from myself. Patience is when a person stick to the right behavior when it is difficult to stick to it.

1. Hadith about a woman who expressed her sorrow over the death of the person dear to her, replied inappropriately to the Prophet, sal Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam, and upon apology later on being reminded that patience is when it is exercised timely, not afterwards.

2. Hadith about Abu Bakr Siddiq being insulted in the masjid three times, replying after third and the Prophet leaving the masjid.

[Abu Maysara]

Abu Ma'mar
Not all of Aal Su'ood are evil, many of them are are but some aren't.

This is Prince Khalid bin Talal
Right, he is known for his straight forward opinions, that sometimes are good and sometimes outright bad.
He accuses some for trying to play in the hands of traitors as he formulate the word, and mention americans. he does not mention a word what king abdullah is up to, dancing with bush and the american military trainers in the country. he consider the country balad tawheed and gives full support of his regime and consider king abdullah wali al amr.
here is another funny clip, where he attacks Aal Zulfah, who obviously is known for his "soften up " views, but khalid bin talaal turns out to say that these views will feed the terrorists (well, they are not implementing sharia anyway as it should) and the kingdom is doing its utmost to defend it from outside enemies bla..bla.. and then goes on to praise the regime and wali al amr..they mention the controversial issue about womens driving as well.
funny that when they want, the regime, they accuse people of being american agents as in the clip,but at the same time ;who is having stronger relations to americans, political and military and who is trying hard to please the americans by "re educate" Imams and establish so called " Jihad Rehab centers" ?
Their Nifaaq is evident as usual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZF92lkkkww

[Abu_Talha]

This is an extremely ignorant statement, unfortunately. Firstly because the modern sociology can be traced back to Ibn Khaldun's magnum opus 'al-muqadimmah' and the study and priniciples found therein. A 'kafir' prof. of mine once declared him founder of 'sociology'.

Secondly, because sociology is a discipline is just a set of priniciples and rules and techniques that we use to observe society and draw up conclusions. I really don't see how any one can have a problem with that?!

Thirdly you're tying a science to being 'kufr' when there isn't any basis upon which you can make such an assertion except that many 'kafirs' expounded many of its principles. Well so what? It is a tool and anyone can utilize it and build upon it.

( Also,Remember that Prophet (saw) even had some jews teach the sahabah how to read and write...)

And I can go on and on with the reasons. Don't be stupid.

Akhi, Jazakallah Khair for that comment. I admit I'm pretty ignorant about sociology, so I take back what I said earlier. Hope no one was offended.

Don't be stupid.

Was there any need for this brother? You got your point across without having to call me stupid. Khair, Allah forgives.

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

Akhi, Jazakallah Khair for that comment. I admit I'm pretty ignorant about sociology, so I take back what I said earlier. Hope no one was offended.


Was there any need for this brother? You got your point across without having to call me stupid. Khair, Allah forgives.

Bro, you didn't offend anybody.

[Brother_Mujahid]

I did Social Anthropology.

But it isn't all necessarily kufr perspective. If it were - would one think like this (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=128880&postcount=42)?

Well, I would have to agree with that post you linked to. While most technology is not in-and-of-itself evil, when wedded with the prevailing social and spiritual decadence technology serves only to separate mankind from God and nature. We must ask ourselves that while technology has made our lives easier has it made our lives better?

[I_Am_A_Hermit]

Well, I would have to agree with that post you linked to. While most technology is not in-and-of-itself evil, when wedded with the prevailing social and spiritual decadence technology serves only to separate mankind from God and nature. We must ask ourselves that while technology has made our lives easier has it made our lives better?

It's made us lose focus.