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Scented Blood
4th September 2008, 11:04 AM
Salam Alykum

I need articles on what the scholars said about Sayd Qutb Inshallah.

More specifically what the scholars that the salafis refer to said about him.

Jzk

ÚõÈóíúÏõ ÑóÈøöåö
11th October 2008, 12:46 PM
I am interested about this as well.

I have never read one book of his nor am I intending to do so in a long time, but ofcourse I've been floating with the shipwreck and heard all the madkhali rumours and warnings. I've also heard some statements for him from the other side, but it would be nice to have some of those statements collected.

These days some people in my town have been bringing back the issue of keeping his tafsir in a public masjid library and how evil a deed that is and how evil the people who do that are. I've personally always had some problems with this.

One of those problems is that wouldn't we have to take other much better books down too if we go down the route of dropping books with big mistakes, like Fath al-Bari and books that have errors in the issue of Sifat by Nawawi and other great scholars? And if we reply to this that Ibn Hajr was a great scholar and Qutb was not, then wouldn't leaving a much relied upon and trusted book like Fath al-Bari be even more dangerous than leaving Qutb's book there, cause people would trust what it says?

I hope people can share some thoughts on this, even though I'm sure that this is maybe a 20 year old topic. I just never felt any need to go into it and still don't feel it very much, but thought I should.

Oh PS. I'd personally take those in arabic, please, thank you.

waziri
11th October 2008, 04:04 PM
Legal Verdict Regarding Sayyid Qutb
Ibn Jibreen





Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Office of the Presidency of Islamic Research and Legal
Verdicts

Question:
Some youth call Shaykh Sayyid Qutb a heretic and prohibit the reading of his books, and they say a similar statement regarding Hasan al-Banna, as they also say regarding some of the scholars that they are Khawarij. Their argument is that [they do this] in order to 'expose the errors [of these men] to the people,'. even though [these youth] are until now [only] students [of knowledge]. I hope for a response so that doubt may be removed from us and others, [and] so that this [phenomenon] will not spread.

Response:
All praise belongs to Allah alone. To proceed: It is impermissible to [unjustly] call the Muslims heretics or wicked as is evidenced by the statement of the Prophet SAW "Whoever says to his brother 'O enemy of Allah,' and he is not such but that it returns back to him." While in [another] hadith 'Whoever calls a Muslim an infidel it returns back to one of them.' While in another hadith: "A man passed by another while he was doing a sin and he said to him, 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you.' So [Allah] said: 'Who is he who can pass judgment on my behalf that I will not forgive so and so, I have forgiven him and have nullified your deeds.'"

With this I say, Sayyid Qutb and Hasan al-Banna are among the scholars of the Muslims and among the people of da'wa. Allah has brought benefit by them and through them He has guided many people. They both have efforts [for Islam] which should not be denied. For this reason Shaikh Abdul-Aziz ibn Baz interceded on behalf of Sayyid Qutb when the order for his execution was given. [Ibn Baz] was gentle in his intercession, but President Gamal [Abdel Nasser] did not accept [Ibn Baz's] intercession, may Allah send upon him [i.e. Abdel Nasser] what he deserves. When both men [i.e Hasan al-Banna & Sayyid Qutb] were killed, each was referred
to as a martyr, as each was killed unjustly. This is borne witness to by those close [to them] as well as by the general public. As it was widely spread in the papers and books without anyone ever objecting. Moreover, the scholars have received their books [with acceptance]. No one has attacked them for more than the [last] twenty years. If some [heresy proceeded] from them, then [these mistakes] are
similar to an-Nawawi, as-Suyuti, Ibn al-Jawzi, Ibn 'Atiyah, al-Khatabi, al-Qastalani and the likes of many of them. I have read what Shaikh Rabi al-Madkhali has written in his refutation of Sayyid Qutb and I found that he has placed statements where they do not exist. For this reason Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid, may Allah perserve him, refuted him. Likewise, [al-Madkhali's] unjust attacks of Shaikh 'Abdur-Rahman ['Abdul-Khaaliq] and his [twisting 'Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq's words] in order to find errors which would make ['Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq appear] misguided, even though [Shaikh Rabi] befriended him for a lengthy period of time and he never found any such errors [in the past].

And the eye of pleasure sees every fault insignificant,
But the eye of hatred always finds fault.

Dictated by
Abdullah ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Jibreen
26/2/1417 AH




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Raiwand
11th October 2008, 05:11 PM
Why not form your own opinion instead of asking what so and so scholar think about this and that person?
This is exactly what the madaakhila are about and what they and their extreme saudi salafi counter parts have in common.
The net is filled with info and books can be downloaded and read for free.

Yousef al Khattab
11th October 2008, 05:22 PM
Why not form your own opinion instead of asking what so and so scholar think about this and that person?
This is exactly what the madaakhila are about and what they and their extreme saudi salafi counter parts have in common.
The net is filled with info and books can be downloaded and read for free.

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Yousef al Khattab
11th October 2008, 05:29 PM
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ÚõÈóíúÏõ ÑóÈøöåö
11th October 2008, 05:45 PM
Who said anything about forming on opinion here blindly based on what scholars say?

There's a difference between benefitting from the scholars words concerning a person and blindly following them out of hizbiyya. Only a fool thinks he can't benefit from the words of scholars.

Raiwand
11th October 2008, 07:28 PM
Who said anything about forming on opinion here blindly based on what scholars say?

There's a difference between benefitting from the scholars words concerning a person and blindly following them out of hizbiyya. Only a fool thinks he can't benefit from the words of scholars.
Why not reading his books/ articles?

Only a fool thinks he can't benefit from the words of scholars.
Not necessary everyone shares your opinion. Ask anyone in saudia about bin baz fatwa permitting foreign troops for example

ÚõÈóíúÏõ ÑóÈøöåö
11th October 2008, 09:25 PM
Why not read his books? Am I obligated to read his books? I have a 1000 books on the shelf just waiting to be read and it's some very vital stuff which I consider more foremost right now for me, so when I get time I'll read his books. Any complaints?

Not necessary everyone shares your opinion. Ask anyone in saudia about bin baz fatwa permitting foreign troops for example

What does this got to do with what I said about benefitting from the words of the scholars? Absolutely nothing.

Miqdad
11th October 2008, 10:19 PM
If you haven't read any of his literature and form an opinion based upon some second hand information, what would this be? Intelligent?!? No, this shows how weak and pathetic the individual is who can't come up with his/her own conclusions.

ÚõÈóíúÏõ ÑóÈøöåö
11th October 2008, 10:25 PM
So I'm still forming an opinion of a muqallid based on what I hear from them? Come on...I know some of you guys are over emotional with some personalities and seem to know what's going on with a person when he asks something like I did, but please keep those emotions in your pockets and just post what I asked if you want to help me.

򂋄
11th October 2008, 10:37 PM
I don't agree completely with this logic where a person thinks he/she HAS to read a book to come to their own conclusions - sometimes that book may have something in it that everybody is not ready for or something harmful, I think it is WISE in most cases to see what more learned people have opined about a book before reading it yourself because then you make an informed decision to read.

liken it to watching a movie, for arguements sake called "BEAVER HUNT", now some people will think it's going to be a violent movie, some will think it will be a porno - until the potential viewer of the movie does not look in to what the movie is about he/she may end up watching something they did not want to expose themselves to (violence/sex scenes/etc).

I think in most cases it is wise to make informed decisions before reading a book (or wathcing a film with a dodgy name). I say "most cases" because sometimes those giving opinions may be unjust or biased - for example the madhkali shuyukh who rinse Sayyid Qutb hardcore.

ÚõÈóíúÏõ ÑóÈøöåö
11th October 2008, 10:43 PM
Incase it didn't become clear for our lovely brothers here, I am not looking for these words from scholars to form an opinion. I'm not afraid to read his book or not to read it. All I want to know is what the people of knowledge have said about him, period. It can't be that hard for such mentally unchallenged people.

hearandobey
11th October 2008, 10:48 PM
It is very important to know what the Ulama have said about books etc. Whenever I want to get myself a new book, I always try to see what the Ulama have said about it. Their articles (sometimes PhD's and volumes of books!) aren't "it's bid'ah, off manhaj" etc. rather they point out for example, what kind of aqidah mistakes, weak hadith... also it's good to know the methodogy of a writer, say in tafsir, so for example if I've got Ibn Kathir already and I wanted to get another tafsir set, I'd like to know in advance how different is this from that of Ibn Kathir or is it pretty much the same.