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Ramla
27th August 2004, 02:35 AM
Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatuhu!
The following message has been appearing in several places on campus (on forums, leaflets, etc.). I’ve had people approach me about this issue, and I basically tried to explain to them to importance of believing in authenticity of the Qur’an. However, I don’t think I dispelled any doubts that they might have had in their hearts.
The message is as follows:
“Why did Mohammed allow his scribe Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh to make his own insertions in the Qur'an, and then have him murdered for forsaking Islam because he knew that the Qur'an was not only from the revelations received by Mohammed? And then, while these same insertions are still in the Qur'an today, why is the Qur'an still held as the uncorrupted, perfect word of Allah?”
The author also included this link: www.answering-islam.org/Q.../sarh.html
This message has spread like wildfire all over Minnesota as well as on the net. Alhmadullillah there are Muslims who will see this message and think nothing of it because in their hearts they know that the Qur’an is written in Allah’s very words, as Allah (swt) intended. However, there are also some Muslims who may not have a strong emaan, and when they see this message they automatically start doubting Islam. This is not something that I myself have the knowledge to delve into, but I really think that its something that needs to by replied to immediately. I don’t even know how one begins to reply to something like this! Insha’Allah if anyone has knowledge about this issue, please help! JazakAllahul Khair.
With sincere salaams,
gag order
28th August 2004, 12:22 PM
distorting the quran, adding to or substracting from to create confusion and doubt is nothing new.
the shias have been distorting the quran for a very long time their own quran is over twice the size of the revealed original.
the christians and jews of "answering islam" are continuing the work of their predecessor abdullah ibn sabah the founder of shiaism.
WARNING BEWARE: SHAUKAT BELIEVES IN THE SHIA FABRICATED "QURAN" HE IS A KAAFIR!
Abdullah al-Shishani
30th August 2004, 11:33 PM
Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatuhu!
Waaleykum assalam wr wb
The following message has been appearing in several places on campus (on forums, leaflets, etc.). I’ve had people approach me about this issue, and I basically tried to explain to them to importance of believing in authenticity of the Qur’an. However, I don’t think I dispelled any doubts that they might have had in their hearts.
Dear Brother/Sister in Islam
Iblis and his helpers among people and Jinn, are becoming desperate coz Islam is spreading without Muslims doing much at all, and it is spreading in the nest of Iblis and his followers, and all of this at a time when Muslims aren't the best example in many spheres of human activity. Basically, with the onset of the internet era, and recent scientific discoveries, which confirm beyond any doubt whatsoever, that Koran is indeed the word of Allah, Allah sends us tests, which are according to our calibre. I am actually expecting much more serious tests in the near future, coz it is a Sunna of Allah to send punishment after message has been made clear to a people and since the whole world has now been able to hear the truth, it is logical to expect major punishments for non-belivers.
The message is as follows:
“Why did Mohammed allow his scribe Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh to make his own insertions in the Qur'an, and then have him murdered for forsaking Islam because he knew that the Qur'an was not only from the revelations received by Mohammed? And then, while these same insertions are still in the Qur'an today, why is the Qur'an still held as the uncorrupted, perfect word of Allah?”
I have never heard about this case, but it reminds me of fabricated book about Jewish scholars who asked questions from the Prophet (SAW), and once he(SAW) answered they converted to Islam. If this would have been the case, I am sure Iblis and his lot would have made this as their argument ages ago. Anyway, how do these idiots explain numerous scientific facts from the Quran? Here is a good link of various material about this matter:
http://www.islamicity.com/science/
Also, if someone is in doubt that this is a revelation from God, they should follow the advice from the Koran, and bring forth even an ayat of their own, with witnesses that it is indeed revelation, as to Koran then at least 1.2 billion witnesses say that it is a revelation.
Wassalamu aleykum
Ramla
3rd September 2004, 02:12 AM
Asalamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatuhu!
This is an excellent response!
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Sarh/
They will respond with some bogus stuff, and then you can send them this:
http://www.islamicawakening.com/forums/login.php?redirect=posting.php&mode=reply&t=310&sid=05766981f6822dfb70283ea075833cce
After that if they persist on with their ignorance, then leave them because they do not want to know the truth. JazakAllahul Khair to everyone who has helped me with this, may He (swt) be pleased with you all!
I just want to say that we should all refrain from using answering-Christianity as a source. Yes they have some good arguments against the attacks of missionaries, but they belong to some shitte sect that does not believe in the return of Isse (as) and other things that are clearly stated in the Qur'an and authentic Sunnah. I don't think that we should support them just because they themselves have deviated from the straight path.
with sincere salaams,
asharee_salafi
13th October 2004, 05:56 PM
Assalaamulekum,
im not saying we should keep ourselves away from these issues, but we should be careful not to dwendul on orientlist assumptions since that will cause much confusion, we should also keep away from groups liek hizb ut tahrir who also try and cast doubt upon the sunnah. they are muslim orietalists
ws
asharee_salafi
13th October 2004, 06:02 PM
Assalaamulekum,
im not saying we should keep ourselves away from these issues, but we should be careful not to dwendul on orientlist assumptions since that will cause much confusion, we should also keep away from groups liek hizb ut tahrir who also try and cast doubt upon the sunnah. they are muslim orietalists
ws
gag order
13th October 2004, 07:52 PM
orientalists talk as if they are somekind of authority on islam. its much more effective to be blunt and direct with them it takes the wind out of their sails since they always expect a muslim to be courteous and apologetic they need this they need to take advantage of our good nature first before they can preach to us so heres what to do:
occasionally say things like:
so, so what?
i dont care
what you talking about?
i believe what i believe
your wrong im right
your a liar
you dont know nothing
people are converting to my religion everyday what you gonna do about it
your a racist dont talk to me
and? and what?
my religion is the truth i dont care what you think
use it appropriately and remeber these people are not open to dawah theses orientalists they are trained and brainwashed to hate islam and distort it. best thing to do is discourage them and put them down works everytime! dont try to convince them or make them understand or appeal to them that is their trap !
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