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Abuz Zubair
25th August 2006, 04:03 PM
Rules and Policies
(Last updated 28th Dhil-Hijja 1428 / 6th Jan 2008)

A. General Behavior applicable to threads, posts, signatures and avatars

1. Adhere to correct Islamic Adab (etiquettes) while discussing or debating issues

2. Any abuse of the forums in any way will result in an immediate ban.

3. You are not allowed multiple usernames. If found guilty of such, all your usernames will be banned.

4. Do not post anything that may incriminate you for ‘glorifying’ or ‘inciting terrorism’. Links to Jihad videos and other such sites will be removed. As a rule, you may discuss theoretical aspects in theological terms without specifying place or time.

5. This is not a matrimonial message board, so please refrain posting marriage ads.

6. Duplications of a post are not allowed. If duplications are found, all such posts found in the less appropriate forums/threads will be removed.

7. Try not to flood the board by pasting long articles, and instead write your arguments yourself. Excessive copying and pasting of long articles without a good reason may lead to deletion of your posts.

8. Do not post your home addresses or telephone numbers for your own security.

9. Submit your posts under appropriate forums/threads. The moderators have the right to move your post to an appropriate section.

10. Any thread or post that is simply a link will be candidate for immediate deletion. Include a small description of or excerpt from the link.

11. Vulgar language, insinuations, insults or even mildly bad language will not be tolerated. Using asterisks in place of the word is also not allowed except when quoting a third person.

12. Personal information about a third person is not yours to post.

13. Off topic and pointless posts are subject to deletion.

14. A thread may be deleted upon request by the starter of the thread, however, it still rests on the discretion of moderators.

15. Only rare exceptions will be granted, so please think before you post.

16. Do not quote the entire previous post to add 1 small sentence.

17. Pirated software is not welcome here.

18. Users perceived by forum staff to be attempting to entrap or bait forum participants into making legally compromising statements may first be cautioned by a staff member, after which the user may be banned if they persist.

19. Think twice before you register and make any posts. We are under no obligation to either delete your account or posts. The easiest option is to log off and never come back.

20. (as of 06/01/2008) The forums' administrators would not allow the forums to be used as a primary platform to disseminate highly controversial political material (such as latest al-Qaeda, IRA, Tamil Tiger news, etc). Users are, however, still allowed to post such non-incriminating material, so long as it is linked to its primary source.

21. (As of 09/07/2008) Signatures should be no more than 6 lines of small-sized fonts; less lines when using larger fonts (line spacings are included). Signatures over this length will be automatically clipped by the forum settings.

B. Gender Relations (GR)

1. Smiling or winking emoticons directed at the opposite gender are not allowed.

2. LOLing at the opposite gender is not allowed.

3. Joking with the opposite gender is not allowed.

4. Excessively praising the opposite gender is not allowed.

5. Flattering the opposite gender is not allowed.

6. Declaring your love (for the sake of Allah) to the opposite gender is not allowed.

7. Friends request should not be made to the opposite gender, this is considered free-mixing and will be moderated.

The moderators may innocently overlook some violations as they may fall into some themselves. We are not perfect, so please be pateint with us and point out the oversight tactfully.


C. Privacy Policy

Just so we are not accused of spying on fellow muslims, the list is the following of what is not private (to the mods/admins):

• IP Addresses
• Email Addresses
• Reputation Comments
• Deleted Posts
• Poll Votes
• Your Who's Online status (even if you have chosen to browse invisibly)
• Deleted visitor messages.

Abuz Zubair
25th August 2006, 04:05 PM
... and of course, we're all free to discuss/object to these rules, or even suggest other needed rules.

ibnmyatt
25th August 2006, 05:56 PM
... and of course, we're all free to discuss/object to these rules


Assalamu Alaikum

I have a question in relation to the rule 4: Do not post anything that may incriminate you for ‘glorifying’ or ‘inciting terrorism’

While I understand the reasoning behind this - and the sensible wording in relation to incriminating ourselves - how is this rule to be applied? Does it mean that posts which *may* offend the kuffar in this respect or which *may* be in contravention of their unjust man-made fallible laws will be removed by the Admins, or does it mean that we will have to be careful not to offend the kuffar and their laws in this respect?

Surely this means that we have to accept, in some measure, the kaffir concept of *terrorism* and their definition as to what this pejorative concept of theirs means? [I will not start a debate here about *terrorism and Islam* - I have made my view concerning this matter clear in several articles!]

Abuz Zubair
25th August 2006, 08:34 PM
Well, if our aim was to please the creation then there wouldn't be any point in adhering to Islam.

Islam has been offensive to all Kuffar at all times and all places, so nothing new here.

What we are specifically talking about here is that which will get a person incriminated. We don't want to see our good brothers and sisters locked up behind bars where they could be of better use to Islam and Muslims outside.

The 'terrorism' (closed within quotes) refers to their understanding of terrorism, irrespective of whether we agree or disagree. It does not mean we have conceded to their definition. All it means is that we are trying to breath as much as we can in the current British-Blarite totalitarian-facist climate :)

So if you criticise the laws, Blair, their policies, etc etc, is all allowed.

What will be edited/deleted is things like:
7/7 on its way! Europe you'll pay! If you get my drift :)

The rule is, just try to save yourself from Blair's dungeons (and see how long you can last :eek:)

abu falafel
26th August 2006, 12:41 AM
4. Excessively praising the opposite gender is not allowed.

5. Flattering the opposite gender is not allowed.


I think this shud apply to both genders.



6. Declaring your love (for the sake of Allah) to the opposite gender is not allowed.


LOL!

Abuz Zubair
26th August 2006, 01:56 AM
It does apply to both genders as it states...

many of the rules are simply copied and pasted from IN (hope sas doesn't mind!)

But the credit is due where its due. The line you're lol'ing at as actually sas's

Abu Faaris As-Sumalee
27th August 2006, 12:44 AM
Salam wa 'alaykum

Why do you need to know the ip ?.

I thought the reason people delete posts is because they might have said somthing that wasnt appropriate or somthing that they regret, so why do the admins get to see them?.

what does "Reputation Comments" mean

"poll votes" what possible need is there for that?.

Aburafay
24th January 2007, 04:59 PM
Assalamo AlaIkum!

In many Forums, the source for a quote is essential, so that the readers may be aware of its credibility. A member (can't recollect the name) stated to be a woman, and from Lebanon, has quoted some stuff on Jews being to blame. The whole post practically is a quote, which also violates rules of other forums as the benefit of a discussion forum is lost when you copy/paste and do not say anything yourself.

Wassalam.

gag order
12th March 2007, 11:22 PM
what is meant by the term 'reputation comment' and a 'referral'

Umm Ahmed
13th March 2007, 07:37 AM
Reputation comments , I dont think thats activated.
A referral is when a new member is registering and fills in the referral box "fulan" , thats then transfered to "fulan's account.

If you go to my profile http://forums.islamicawakening.com/member.php?u=701
You will see Referrals: 2.

talibat al ilm
15th March 2007, 03:31 PM
Assalamualaikum w rahmatullahi w barakatuhu

All praise and thanks belong to Allah, we seek his aid assistance, and we seek His forgiveness, and we seek refuge with Him from the evils of our ownselves.
Whomsoeever Allah guides none can misguide, and whomsoever Allah misguides, none can lead him aright.

To Proceed...

Inshallah you are in the best of health and imaan.

May Allah reward you abundantly, please can you make one of the conditions, as the hadeeth:

'he who blieves in Allah and the Last day should speak good or remain silent' [Bukhari]

Unfortunately many of our brothers and sisters are not applicating this to our lives - speech mainly, allah knows best to our actions.

Much of the topics are unbeneficially - 'e.g.- the weight of scholars with beards'. May Allah protect us from evil speech. Amin

Also akhi, how do i unsubscribe myself

Jazakallah kyr

wassalamu aiakum w rhmatullah w barakatuhu

Fajr
15th March 2007, 06:27 PM
Wa `alaykumusalaam wa rahmatullaah

Jazaakillaahu khayran

Your post has been taken into consideration, although I have to say that there is much benefit in these forums and plenty of discussions from which you can take knowledge from. But we're always working on making these forums better and encouraging healthy discussions

how do i unsubscribe myself
Did you mean deleting your account from the forums? If so, we'll have to consider it then let you know inshaa'Allaah.

talibat al ilm
16th March 2007, 12:30 PM
Assalamualiakum w rahtmatullahi w barakatuhu,

Na'am, i did mean deleting my account from the forums.

Masha'allah much khyr can be found in it, but most of the unbeneficial speech can lead to haraam i.s. backbiting, freemixing etc

The Sahabi Hasan al basri (radiallahu anhu) said:
'I swear by Allah backbiting is swifter in consuming the religion of a Muslin than a gangrenous infection is in consuming the body'

and the salaf ka'ab al-ahbar (rahimahullah) said:
'bakbiting nullifies a person's good deeds'

and Ma'roof al-Kirakhee (rahimahullah), another one of the salaf said:

'A person speaking about unnecessary things is (indication) from Allah abandoning him'

As the hadeeth goes:

On the authority of Aboo `Abdullah an-Nu`maan the son of Basheer , who said: I head the Messenger od Allah say:
That which is lawful is plain and that which is unlawful is plain and between the two of them are doubtful matters about which not many people know. Thus he who avoids doubtful matters clears himself in trgard to his religion and his honour, but he who falls into doubtful matters falls into that which is unlawful, like the shepherd who pastures around a sanctuary, all but grazing therein. Truly every king has a sanctuary, and truly Allah's sanctuary is His prohibitions. truly in the body there is a morsel of flesh, which, if it be whole, all the body is whole, and which, if it is diseased, all of it is diseased. truly, it is the heart.

[al-Bukhaari and Muslim]

Amongst the benefit of this hadeeth are:


That those things which are Haraam are clear and need clear evidence.
That one should not involve himself with doubtful matters.
That one who does doubtful things may well be doing what is Haraam.
That one can be said to be justifiably leading a good religious life when one has stayed clear of doubtful matters.
That Allah is the King; The King of kings.
That the sanctuary of Allah which we must not enter is all those things which He has made Haraam for us. Thus we must know what is Haraam and definitely avoid them.
That doing the doubtful or what is forbidden adversely affects the heart.


Jazakallah khyr

Umm Ahmed
16th March 2007, 01:22 PM
Wa 'alaykumusalaam.

I have not seen freemixing on this forum , although we are not from the angels who do not fall into sin.
If you feel that you might fall into any of what you mentioned in your post above , I feel it would be best if you logged off.
JazakAllaahukhairan for your input.

talibat al ilm
16th March 2007, 10:03 PM
Assalamualaikum

Sister i did not mean to cause you any offence. I apologise if you took it as such. Yes we are not angels, but that fact should not stop us from avoiding haraam and the doubtful. Indeed the Believing women and the believing men are protectors of one another. The Prophet salallahu alaihi w salam said:

'If you see an evil you should change it with your hands, if you cannot, then you should change it with your tongue, and if you cannot, then you should abhore it in your heart, and that is the weakest part of faith'

If a muslim wants to avoid the doubtful, he is protecting his religion and honour, we shouldn't try to make him feel bad about it.

If your soul purpose in this forum is to enjoin the good and forbid the evil and be a means of giving dawah May Allah aid and assist you in doing so, and protect you from the evil.

Jazakallah khyr for your advice, inshallah i will take it, and log off.

Wassalamualaikum w rahmatullah

Abuz Zubair
17th March 2007, 02:44 AM
The purpose of this forum is to let people speak their minds and express their views without being censured, precisely so that those who deem these views wrong can object.

This is why we do not delete posts that may sometimes even be insulting, because a bigger insult could be to delete or edit someone's post. I for one rather be insulted openly and publicly than my posts being deleted or edited.

There are also issues which you may find trivial and waste of time, and others may feel really strongly about and vice versa. The key here is not to censure those discussion just because one person deems it useless, or harmful. This too, is very subjective.

The duty of a Muslim should be to openly and directly challenge the evil and promote good, and not abandon anyone they something objectionable in them.

As the Prophet - SallAllahu 'alayhi wa-sallam said that the one who mixes with people and remains patient upon their harm is better than the one who neither mixes with them, and nor is patient upon their harms.

Abuz Zubair
17th March 2007, 02:48 AM
Oh... one more thing that should also be included amongst the rules, I think, is that the admins and mods should not feel obliged to delete a user account, or posts or even edit them out.

So everyone should think before he/she posts. No need to post lots of controversial hot-headed stuff, only to come after six months and beg: 'Brothers! The Spooks are on my case! Please delete, this, this, this, and this... and this...!"

The same applies to user accounts... If a person feel he/she shouldn't be here, then it's very easy, simply do not type forums.islamicawakening.com in your browser.

gag order
17th March 2007, 07:11 PM
A referral is when a new member is registering and fills in the referral box "fulan" , thats then transfered to "fulan's account.

i still dont get it?

Ibn Adam
17th March 2007, 08:25 PM
It only happens when you first register.

If you told your mate to join this forum and he remembered you when he filled out the joining page, there's a section in it where he can enter the name of the person who referred him to the site, i.e. you.

If he does that then somewhere in your own user cp/profile there'd be a bit that'll say "referrals = 1." This increases with the number of people that cite you as having "referred" them to the forum.

You won't necessarily know who cites you as a referrer, unless they explicitly tell you that they did or unless you have access to the admin panel and can see who a member says were their referrer.

gag order
17th March 2007, 08:44 PM
ok now a get it!

Abuz Zubair
20th March 2007, 09:19 PM
New rule added:

19. (as of 20/03/2007) Think twice before you register and make any posts. We are under no obligation to either delete your account or posts. The easiest option is to log off and never come back.

gag order
21st March 2007, 01:11 AM
damn these rules and regulations!

Abdullah al-Shishani
1st April 2007, 03:16 PM
Why cant I edit some of my messages? Is this only with me or everyone?

Ibn Adam
1st April 2007, 03:31 PM
A post can be edited within the first two hours of it being made. Beyond that the facility to edit is taken away.

gag order
1st April 2007, 06:39 PM
the edit facility should be enabled all the time. who is with me on this?

Ibn Adam
1st April 2007, 07:07 PM
The reason that it isn't is past experience of abuse.

What often happens is that a user for whatever reason throws a tantrum and then methodically starts deleting everything they've ever written in protest, which ruins the context and continuity of numerous threads.

If there is a "genuine" reason for concern and a user feels that they need a particular post edited outside of the editable time limit, then they can contact an admin or a moderator and put their case to them. It'll then be up to their discretion whether or not they'll agree to the request.

What we ask people to do is to think very carefully before you post. In fact, in general, think very carefully before you speak or act as slaves of Allah. Remember that in terms of what the Angels are recording from us there's no edit/delete function which can have recourse to, only taubah and istighfar.

In this regard, Muhammad al-Shareef gave some golden advice on al-maghrib once:


If you find your heartbeat pumping real hard DON'T POST. Write what you wish to say in a word document, save it, and then re-read 24 hours later. You'll be surprised what nonsense Shaytaan can make us say when we get angry. A'oodho billaahi minash shaytaanir rajeem.

gag order
1st April 2007, 07:31 PM
well i'm more concerned about what i didnt say or what i could have said better rather than regretting what i have already said.

Ibn Adam
1st April 2007, 07:56 PM
Well if it ever reaches the stage where a person is losing sleep over it they can either:

1) Put their case to an admin/moderator.

2) Make a follow post saying "What I said before came out totally wrong. What I really meant to say was..."

The thing with editing is that if a person has already read your comments and you then edit them, the fact that you've edited will not cause your post to be re-highlighted in a search result list for all those users who use the "New Posts" function everytime they come here.

If you're coming back after two hours and want to change what you said the chances are a large number of people will already have read it and if you want them to know about the changes, editing might not do that. A whole new post would be a better option.

Abdullah al-Shishani
3rd April 2007, 11:38 AM
If it was 10 hours or so, instead of 2 hours, that would have been better imho.

Abu Yunus
15th August 2007, 02:12 PM
As-salam-ulluykum-wa-rahmat-Allah-wa-baraktu brothers.

I hope you are well. Yesterday, I posted an article with an attachment regarding an interview of a mujahideen from the Iraqi front in the "Jihad & Struggle" section.

Unfortunately, it seems that article was removed. I hope it was due to a "duplicate post" issue.

Please let me know.

Along the same lines, may I request the admins. in the future to please inform the article/info contributer the reason why his/her articles are removed by a small message/email?

Just a suggestion.

Thank you & take care.

Abuz Zubair
16th August 2007, 08:54 PM
erm... the reason was explained as A4....

Abu Yunus
17th August 2007, 05:53 PM
Brother Abuz Zubair, As-salam-ulluykum-wa-rahmat-Allah-wa-barakato.

Thank you for explaining why my article was removed.

Please excuse me since I am new & still trying to understand the posting rules.

A4 states "Do not post anything that may incriminate you for ‘glorifying’ or ‘inciting terrorism’. Links to Jihad videos and other such sites will be removed. As a rule, you may discuss theoretical aspects in theological terms without specifying place or time."

From the above I assume that it was my text in the article that was the cause & not the attachment itself. Because, the attachment could simply be treated as another piece of news/information.

Along those lines, I request permission to repost the article but without any self-incriminating text.

Thank you & jazak Allah.

Abuz Zubair
17th August 2007, 06:48 PM
Well, it was the attachment as described in the post.

Abu Yunus
18th August 2007, 04:10 AM
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Brother Abuz Zubair, As-salam-ulluykum-wa-rahmat-Allah-wa-barakato.

Thank you for the reply.

I see. So it was the attachment that violated the rules.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I see several posts in the "Jihad & Struggle" section that fall in the same category as my attachment. They openly discuss the topic, encourage the action & would easliy offend the
kufar.

Posts like " A Commander's Message to his Son", "Khattab, the man who died for the cause of Chechnya", "Khattab, the man who died for the cause of Chechnya", and "Mansour Dadullah - Taleban - Interview", are but just a few very similar to the attachment in my article.

Please note that I am not trying to make this hard for anyone & I am not being stubborn. I understand well the fine line we must walk, especially when we live in foreign lands. And I am sure this is exactly what the admins of this site go through.

However, if we are to listen to the kufar & try to follow all their rules, we would get no where. Since the mere mention of the word "Jihad" draws their ire.

In the end, I humbly request the admins, to please review the decision on my attachment. It is no different from several of the existing posts.

If in the end the decision is still a negative, then I will humbly respect the decision & follow up on this topic no more. My aim is simply to spread the news & words of our brothers.

I sincerely appreciate this website & the immense work of the admins. Thank you again and jazak Allah.



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Abuz Zubair
18th August 2007, 05:17 AM
1) Info for brothers who would like to join the Iraqi mujahideen.
2) The help the Sunni Iraqis are providing the mujahideen.
3) The need for martyrs.
4) The killing of Iraqi civilians, apostate Iraqi police & army force.

1 and 2 in particular violate A4.

Abuz Zubair
6th January 2008, 12:14 AM
New rule added:

20. (as of 06/01/2008) The forums' administrators would not allow the forums to be used as a primary platform to disseminate highly controversial political material (such as latest al-Qaeda, IRA, Tamil Tiger news, etc). Users are, however, still allowed to post such non-incriminating material, so long as it is linked to its primary source.

Aboo Suhayb
6th January 2008, 01:36 AM
police state

abu imaan an-nepalee
6th January 2008, 01:41 AM
nah, just a forum with rules bro

Aboo Suhayb
6th January 2008, 02:00 AM
what next, no discussing fiqh which might appear 'radical'

Abuz Zubair
6th January 2008, 02:10 AM
what next, no discussing fiqh which might appear 'radical'
No... but perhaps banning brainless ppl would just do the trick...

Read the rule, it states:
20. (as of 06/01/2008) The forums' administrators would not allow the forums to be used as a primary platform to disseminate highly controversial political material (such as latest al-Qaeda, IRA, Tamil Tiger news, etc). Users are, however, still allowed to post such non-incriminating material, so long as it is linked to its primary source.

The only thing you are required to do now is to simply provide the link for the original website you are quoting from... Apart from that, you can post whatever you like so long as you do not end up incriminating your own self. Nothing has changed, but the requirement to provide a link.

Abu Maryam PK
6th January 2008, 05:54 AM
Bismillah
Assalamoalaikum
Jazakumullahu khair.
I always felt the rule was needed. An unsuspecting (or a suspecting) visitor would see the site, and get the wrong impression, simply because the regular users/admin dont always have the time to monitor and respond to everything that is posted.

abu imaan an-nepalee
6th January 2008, 08:41 AM
Apart from that, you can post whatever you like so long as you do not end up incriminating your own self.

and others!

abu_ibrahim
6th January 2008, 09:21 AM
New Rule: Every member will need to provide 2 Salafi references to vouch for them.

:D If you can't find anyone, I will give you one for a small fee with a forged signature of Abu Khadeejah.

Niqaabis
13th January 2008, 03:20 PM
10. Any thread or post that is simply a link will be candidate for immediate deletion. Include a small description of or excerpt from the link.


I was about to make a request for a rule like this but I see we already have one

Please can we start to implement this rule, just so people get more of an idea of what the link is about and if people want to read further they can click the link

Baarak Allaahu feekum

shaz
16th April 2008, 03:26 PM
Is there an age restriction to use this site?

Quratul ayn
29th May 2008, 05:06 PM
I think no takfeer or tadhleel should be allowed on this forum.

Fajr
30th May 2008, 04:07 PM
Brother/sisters... this the Rules and Regulations thread, you might want to continue the discussion in a new thread insha'Allah, jazakumullahu khayran.

Umm Ahmed
31st May 2008, 10:46 AM
Is there an age restriction to use this site?

No there is no age limit.

Ibn Adam
8th July 2008, 09:59 PM
No there is no age limit.
Is there an age restriction to use this site?


I realise this isn't a US based website but do we have any kind of restriction like that of the COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act) legislation that affects us? Is there a UK equivalent that restricts a minor's membership here?

The act, effective April 21, 2000, applies to the online collection of personal information by persons or entities under U.S. jurisdiction from children under 13 years of age. It details what a website operator must include in a privacy policy, when and how to seek verifiable consent from a parent or guardian, and what responsibilities an operator has to protect children's privacy and safety online including restrictions on the marketing to those under 13.

Such that a member who wishes to join who is under this age must first send some form of parental approval to validate their membership, because it involves the collection of personal data such as their email address.

Ibn Adam
8th July 2008, 10:19 PM
We're introducing a new rule regarding forum user signatures.

Signatures should be no more than 6 lines of small-sized fonts; less lines when using larger fonts (line spacings are included). Signatures over this length will be automatically clipped by the forum settings.
The settings are such that signatures that exceed this length will not be shown in their entirety.

If you think your signature will fall within the scope of this new rule please make the necessary adjustments to it.

Thanking everyone in advance for their cooperation.

Fajr
9th July 2008, 01:08 PM
In light of Umm Afnaan's incident (and previously sister Umm), if anyone does ever receive abusive PM's, please bring it to the attention of the moderators. If it goes unreported then it'll only persist. Jazakumullahu khayran

Islamiyyah
24th July 2008, 01:22 AM
B. Gender Relations (GR)

1. Smiling or winking emoticons directed at the opposite gender are not allowed.

2. LOLing at the opposite gender is not allowed.

3. Joking with the opposite gender is not allowed.

4. Excessively praising the opposite gender is not allowed.

5. Flattering the opposite gender is not allowed.

6. Declaring your love (for the sake of Allah) to the opposite gender is not allowed.






I understand why winking may not be allowed, but why not smiley faces? JazakAllahu Khayr for posting the rules, mash'Allah they are very good ones.

Umm Ahmed
24th July 2008, 06:49 AM
I understand why winking may not be allowed, but why not smiley faces? JazakAllahu Khayr for posting the rules, mash'Allah they are very good ones.


Well because islamicly we shouldn't be showing our emotions to brothers , none of us would be smiling ect to a brother we dont know away from the forums , so we should not do it through the written form either
"Oh writer! An Angel watches over all you write. Make your writing meaningful for it will eventually return to you and you will be questioned about what you wrote."
~ Ali ibn Abi Talib (r)

We should try to be as formal as possible InshaAllaah. :)

Islamiyyah
24th July 2008, 05:12 PM
Well because islamicly we shouldn't be showing our emotions to brothers , none of us would be smiling ect to a brother we dont know away from the forums , so we should not do it through the written form either
"Oh writer! An Angel watches over all you write. Make your writing meaningful for it will eventually return to you and you will be questioned about what you wrote."
~ Ali ibn Abi Talib (r)

We should try to be as formal as possible InshaAllaah. :)


Oh okay hmmm I didnt know we werent allowed to smile at brothers online or off. Khayr Insh'Allah :)

Magoo
24th July 2008, 06:57 PM
Oh okay hmmm I didnt know we werent allowed to smile at brothers online or off. Khayr Insh'Allah :)

smiling at brothers who are not mahram is a definate "no no" sister

Islamiyyah
24th July 2008, 10:52 PM
smiling at brothers who are not mahram is a definate "no no" sister


But what if you are introduced to a brother for some reason, or if you are conversing with him, and just smile here and there becasue it comes natural? Insh'Allah I would like to see a hadith or anything that prohibits muslim women from smiling at men. JazakAllahu Khayr.

I_Am_A_Hermit
25th July 2008, 09:05 AM
But what if you are introduced to a brother for some reason, or if you are conversing with him, and just smile here and there becasue it comes natural? Insh'Allah I would like to see a hadith or anything that prohibits muslim women from smiling at men. JazakAllahu Khayr.

I know what you mean sis, if you don't smile, everybody thinks your a snob.

But can men smile at women?

Um Ismail
25th July 2008, 11:41 AM
I know what you mean sis, if you don't smile, everybody thinks your a snob.

But can men smile at women?


Well, considering they (and we) are supposed to lower the gaze, then most likely not.

Umm Ahmed
25th July 2008, 02:07 PM
But what if you are introduced to a brother for some reason, or if you are conversing with him, and just smile here and there becasue it comes natural? Insh'Allah I would like to see a hadith or anything that prohibits muslim women from smiling at men. JazakAllahu Khayr.

That's why everything should be formal

The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:30

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do.

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 8.248, Narrated Abu Said Al Khudri Similar narration in Sahih Muslim]

The Prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, "Beware! Avoid sitting on the roads." They (the people) said, "O Allah's Apostle! We can't help sitting (on the roads) as these are (our places) where we have talks." The Prophet peace and blessings of Allah be upon him said, "If you refuse but to sit, then pay the road its right." They said, "What is the right of the road, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "Lowering your gaze, refraining from harming others, returning greeting, and enjoining what is good, and forbidding what is evil."

Hadith - Sahih Muslim 5372, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
I asked Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) about the sudden glance (that is cast) on the face (of a non-Mahram). He commanded me that I should turn away my eyes.

Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, #4007, Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman.

With all of the above stating that we should lower our eyes , how can we think about a smile.

As this is the rules and regulation section , can we please keep it for that only.

Baraak Allaahu feekum.

oneummah
4th August 2008, 06:16 AM
abu zubair these are great rules but i disagree with just one rule. the one that says we should not delcare our love for the sake of Allah to the opposite gender. this is allowed in islam as i understand. that we can declare our love FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH AND NOTHING ELSE, whether they be girl or boy. so this is the one i disagree with, and the only one. not becuase i want to declare my love for any man on or off this site but just because rasulullah s.a.w we can do so but soley for the sake of ALLAH. jazakallahu khayran

Abuz Zubair
4th August 2008, 03:16 PM
abu zubair these are great rules but i disagree with just one rule. the one that says we should not delcare our love for the sake of Allah to the opposite gender. this is allowed in islam as i understand. that we can declare our love FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH AND NOTHING ELSE, whether they be girl or boy. so this is the one i disagree with, and the only one. not becuase i want to declare my love for any man on or off this site but just because rasulullah s.a.w we can do so but soley for the sake of ALLAH. jazakallahu khayran
I don't think many brothers would like others saying to their mothers, wives and sisters, 'I Lurrve you for the sake of Allah'! Imam Ahmad disliked for a man to say salam to a young woman and even said that she doesn't have to reply if a strange man says salam to her.

Um Abdullah M.
4th August 2008, 03:33 PM
declaring one's love to the opposite gender can cause fitnah in a place like this where you are always interacting with the person, and there is capability to contact the person in private.

It is not a must to tell the oppostite gender of ur love for sake of Allah, you can keep it in your heart.

Abu Ikrimah
13th October 2008, 09:02 PM
I don't see the harm in LOL'ing at something someone from the opposite gender may say. I do think that is a tad harsh.

(The rest of the rules are very good BTW)

Abuz Zubair
14th October 2008, 03:34 AM
I agree, but others seem to think otherwise. LOL'ing would be a problem on a US-Muslim forum where brothers and sisters tend to me more loveydovey... Man, American culture and attitudes make me cringe.

Magoo
29th October 2008, 01:41 PM
Friends request should not be made to the opposite gender, this is considered free-mixing and will be moderated.

those who do have members of the opposite gender on their friends list, can they please remove these people as soon as you become aware of the new rule

Umm Ahmed
25th November 2008, 04:25 AM
Amendment to

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That we can see all deleted visitor messages.