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Perestroika
2nd September 2004, 11:00 AM
Sorry bro's this is a small mistake. This woman talks rubbish.
Perestroika
2nd September 2004, 11:05 AM
My username is Humanbeing, not 'Perestroika'. This is very strange that I got this name. First my post was removed, then I put it back on again and my username has been changed by someone.
Is it? :lol:
Please keep my post on your board. I am sure if Islam is the truth it can stand up to any criticism.
Islam stands up to any criticism, and it will continue to be such forever, Insha Allah. As to your rubbish, then yes after the attemped murder of Isa(as) Allah sent us the Messenger(SAW), who was able to defend himself, and his religion, which is a universal right in all ideologies of the world, to this day. Moreover, it is the non-muslims, who unleashed the most bloody wars in human history, and even today, all the wars that muslims are forced to fight, are fought in defence of their land and religion. We are not trying to force anyone to live as we do, but we will fight and kill and blow to pieces anyone who tries to force us live by other than what we want on our land, i.e. Sharia. U have mentioned the ceisure of a school in southern russia. Where were u when tens of thounsands of kids were bombed and killed in Chechnya, whithout and weren't even given a chance, which those people held hostege have right now, i.e. thier govenment stopping murdering innocent Chechen civilians and leaving them alone.
Where were u when similar to Chechen children other muslims were and are wiped out, in this terrorist war unleashed on us long before 9/11? U seem to be OK and quiet, unless something happens to Kafirs of their own medicine, which just shows that all your talks are from your hate of Islam.
Without any regards
Real Perestroika
Unspecified
2nd September 2004, 12:47 PM
- With respect to your first point:
how Muhammad slaughtered up to 1000 Jews in one day and night
May I refer you to the following link: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=325805&postcount=17
For an overview of the life of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, please visit: http://www.quraan.com/index.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=11&bid=7
The Jews that were killed as a result of that incident (although the number you quote is questionable) were killed as a result of their treachery - i.e. they deserved it.[/i]
Unspecified
2nd September 2004, 01:23 PM
- With respect to the woman who was stoned: rather, it is the case of the woman who came to the Prophet, sallallaahu alayhi was sallam, and admitted to the crime, and who in fact, insisted for its punishment to be carried out as is commanded by her Lord.
The issue you touch upon is a an issue which highlights and example of the highest form of obedience and humility of a woman towards her creator.
"Know that punishment for the crime of zina acts an atonement of this sin. The Prophet (s.a.w) said regarding the woman from Ghamid who was stoned to death: “She has repented such a repentance that, were it to be divided among seventy of Madina’s residents it would cover them. Have you seen a better repentance than her giving away herself for Allah.”(11) The idea behind the harsh and severe punishment does not contradict with the spirit of Islam, actually it serves as a deterrent to the society. http://www.islam.org.au/articles/31/english/e-fiqh20.pdf
With respect to you other insinuations, visit http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&dgn=3 where, if you are seriously interested, you will find your answers.
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Abu Yusuf
2nd September 2004, 01:25 PM
I am sure if Islam is the truth it can stand up to any criticism
There is a difference between criticism and lies.
Humanist
2nd September 2004, 02:46 PM
Dear Abu and 'Unspecified',
Thank you for the links. Abu, I was not lying - I have read those stories in the Koran myself. I was a muslim a long time before I got to read the Koran in english, so it did come as rather a shock to me. I do not want to insult anyone or do any harm, but how long can we go on denying these atrocities and try to brainwash ourselves against logic? When our whole world is wiped out? I have also read the explanations about these 'deeds' but it does not allay my doubts and revulsion - I am a human being who loves humanity and our planet; that's all. I'm sorry to say but only a very sick person would sacrifice herself and leave her children behind crying for her, so that 'she' can go to paradise.
BTW, why did I get my post wiped and banned when I was playing by the rules on the agreement?
Humanist
2nd September 2004, 03:15 PM
Where were u when tens of thounsands of kids were bombed and killed in Chechnya, whithout and weren't even given a chance, which those people held hostege have right now, i.e. thier govenment stopping murdering innocent Chechen civilians and leaving them alone.
Where were u when similar to Chechen children other muslims were and are wiped out, in this terrorist war unleashed on us long before 9/11? U seem to be OK and quiet, unless something happens to Kafirs of their own medicine, which just shows that all your talks are from your hate of Islam.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
Ghandi overthrew the british without using bombs, Martin Luther brought in civil rights without bombs or guns or beheadings. The Georgians overthrew their government with flowers - roses actually. Wow, there are so many OTHER ways to fight for freedom than eye for a eye, bombs, bloodshed, beheadings, child-shields, gory exectutions on tv and so on. All of this serves against Islam. But the problem is; Muhammad is everyone's role model, so I honestly do not know what the solution is!
And, hey, MOST 'kaffirs' are outraged when ANY atrocity happens to people, no matter what their creed, culture or colour is! Look at all the 'kaffirs' who flocked to Iran to help during the Bam earthquake for example. Kaffirs in my country help Muslim refugees - give them houses, money, medical treatment - offer their friendship and love ...
Wow, why is everyone here so defensive??? :?
Please, think, even if you fight me and kill me ... stop and think ... that's all ....
ibn abbas
2nd September 2004, 06:28 PM
Humanist,
the kafirs can be helpful and kind but on the day of judgement they will be judged according to their beliefs (aqeeda).
ibn abbas
Abuz Zubair
3rd September 2004, 02:57 AM
Dear humanist,
You are more than welcome to discuss whatever Islamic issue you are concerned about. You may raise your questions, and even question our beliefs and practices, provided that you have the right approach. If you sound too judgemental, have a head-on collision with the Islamists, with no diplomacy employed, then surely such approach is going to defeat your objective, agreed?
Samira
3rd September 2004, 11:25 PM
O Muslims, pay no attention to shaukat khan, he is just spreading fitnah and dhalaalah
ibn abbas
6th September 2004, 10:31 AM
Shaukat, leave shia rafidha religion and embrace Islam.
Samira
6th September 2004, 03:38 PM
You're so sad shaukat. YOU are the one who posts under different IDs. when you get found out, you have to accuse the rest of us of doing it, in order to make yourself look good. Self-righteous prig.
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