Attack on our scholars

[aburasheed]

I saw this posting regarding Yasir Qadhi in al-Maghrib forum. It's probably have been deleted already by now.


I am completely disgusted by this behaviour, yes there were many eyewitnesses, therefore it was an open faahishah and not a private sin, and HE initiated the handshake. O Allah, save us from such people! I ask you, brothers and sisters, how can you trust this man with your religion and 'aqida?...


He is referring to this article:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0816/p20s01-lire.html

If you google it, you'll find tons of blogs regarding this incident.

Alhamdulillah we don't consider our scholars infallible, they do make mistakes.

Any suggestions on how we counter these groups of people?

Jazakallah Kheir

[Suhaib Jobst]

WHAT??!!:eek:

I couldn't believe what I read in that article! I hope someone has a reasonable explanation for this, because I'm certainly at a lost of words.

[Abuz Zubair]

Beware of the Neo-Aristotelian plot!

If what is reported is true, then brother Yasir is wrong and there is no question about it. If this is his opinion at which he arrived out of his own ijtihad, he already has a reward secured with Allah if he is a mujtahid in this particular issue. Moreover, his reward is probably multiplying just as his sins are being removed, the more these grave-worshipping Jahmites slander him, so he couldn’t be in a better position.

The devil’s objective is to aid Ash’aris Greek religion and defeat Islam. One of the ways the devil would achieve his aims is by pushing a sincere caller to have an odd opinion over an issue. Once this happens, the deviants and heretics have all they need to discredit this caller and his call by extension.

Have we not seen these heretics testify against themselves on these very forums that they are fussaq, sinful transgressors, according to their own bankrupt Ash’arite doctrine, by making taqlid in ‘aqida on the one hand, and then imputing fisq, if not Kufr on the general population of the Muslim Ummah, not to mention the early generations of Islam!

No doubt brother Yasir is wrong (provided that the report is true), but let every Sunni beware of the Jahmi plot and not fall for it, which is geared towards converting Muslims to Neo-Aristotelianism and in cases the paganism of the early Quraysh, just when one of our knights fall for one reason or the other.

Brother Yasir, in terms of Islamic knowledge and da’wah has achieved much more than these Sufis. This is precisely why in every time and place the Sufis have harboured limitless hatred and jealousy towards Ahl al-Sunnah, which often fires back in their faces and the stench of their corrupt hearts becomes obvious to all.

The more they slander al-Maghrib, the more popular al-Maghrib becomes. These guys are simply dying in their jealousy, which leaves us with nothing else to say, but: Allahu Akbar!

wasalam

[aburasheed]

That a good respond brother Abuz Zubair. I think we should notify brother Yasir about what they were saying about him and maybe he can clarify the whole situation. We don't know what the real situation is and we should not think bad of him until he clarify his situation. If we look at the history, quite a few of the scholars of Ahl Sunnah did mistakes and we take the good that they have to offer and avoid their mistakes. So we have to distinguish between scholars who commit an honest mistakes or made ijtihad that turns out to be incorrect, and the scholars who insist on the falsehood after the facts was made clear to them.

[Umm Ahmed]

I dont think we should accecpt the account of this woman as we dont know her. and the seventy excuses for our brother inshaAllah

[gag order]

mona is a columnist who contributes in 'opinion pages' in various papers. the narrative clearly distinguishes itself from factual reporting to one of mere anecdotes.

she is a proponent of 'dialogue' with 'conservatives' to engage them and debate the issues of our times. liberalists and 'conservatives' are fundamentally opposed to each other what she is attempting to portray with the handshake is that building bridges is possible so long as the 'conservatives' are willing to compromise.

[Abuz Zubair]

Yes, I agree. Most probably there will be an statement from Yasir out soon.

The point I was making, even if it was true, it is still very sickening for the Sufis to behave the way they do. Sufism, we are told, is supposed to purify one's inner dimensions. These guys are 100 times more spiritually corrupt than the Salafis. But then again, nothing much is expected of a people who aren't sincere to Allah in His worship, and therefore do not understand Tawhid.

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

salam wa 'alaykum


"These guys are 100 times more spiritually corrupt than the Salafis"

i agree with you , but we have just got to stop using the name salafi when refering to the brothers of irja.

Anyway... there is private lessons every summer in my area ,because a bro of mine is tight with yasir, and from what i know of the guy , this is not the kinda thing he would do.

I could be wrong though, you never know these days.

[Intoodeep]

this is what happens when some of the claimants to the salafi minhaj follow men rather then evidence.

[WM]

Dear brother Abu Zubair, this was the result of no Aristotelian plot, it was me who posted both on alMaghrib and here, and in both instances my posts were deleted, on alMaghrib I was even banned, although here only temporarily so. Thankfully, as I have not been banned here, I would like a chance to explain myself, and the reasoning (or lack thereof) behind my actions.

In fact, it's not just a problem with Yasir Qadhi, but with every single 'muslim leader' who attended the so-called 'Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow' (MLT) conference in Copenhagen, Denmark. I wasn't at all surprised by the conduct of 'Muslim Liberals' i.e., open callers to kufr like Irshad Manji (aka the 'Problem with Islam', since renamed 'The Problem with Islam Today') and Reza Aslan (who dismissed our belief in Ibrahim- 'alayhis salam- as a myth on the first page of his calamity of a book 'No god but God'), nor the immodest dress of the vast majority of women who attended. I was even 'tolerant' enough not to care that the whole event was sponsored by an organisation with devious aims. It goes without saying that the vast majority of attendees were, Islamically speaking, absolutely illiterate, if not heretical to say the least. I am not claiming that I am a scholar or anything- but I wouldn't run towards the cameras in the way that these shameless people did.

It wasn't just Yasir Qadhi, but the behaviour of all of those people, some of whom are 'conservative'. I was shocked by the behaviour of even 'Imam' Tahir Anwar of the Zaytuna Institute, who boasted how he got a personalised license plate ('Imam') and how he liked racing around in fast cars...yeah, I see the zuhd of sufism all over that one. And what about Yasir Qadhi, who actually sat next to Irshad Man(ji) during the conference.

We know from Qadhi's CD's that he definitely regards shaking hands with women as a forbidden act, which it is according to the mathhabs in this instance. So why does he do it, under no pressure? And in the open? This man must have little shame. Allah, cover up our sins, ameen.

The whole event was a rodeo of men with no modesty, all seeking fame, not caring about the da'wah. Why did this hurt me in particular? Because one day before I read about this, I actually attended a talk on the mahdi by Yasir Qadhi in N. London, and met him afterwards. It was, and I say this without reservations, the most fun I had ever had in my life. I am saying this as an 18-year old. That is a 'big thing'.

So these people meet with the 'progressives', without amri bi'l ma'ruf or nahi 'an il-munkar, of course, and then expect us to respect them when they return from their fisq. So when I first read this article, I almost vomited, literally. I was disgusted, bereft of speech. It was the reaction of a Muslim who lacks the emotional maturity of an adult, and the adab of a learned Muslim. I held this guy in high esteem, because I am an idealistic young idiot who has heroes, people he wants to believe have integrity. And what this travesty shows is that such men don't really exist- not from salafis, not from the sufis, not from anyone. And now I am considering suicide...

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

as-salaamu 'alaikum.

brother muhaqiq, the reason the previous thread you posted was deleted was due to an absolutely different reason entirely, nothing to do with the thread subject.

there are a lot of factors in this slanderous narrative (and it has been deliberately written as such) which can be be viewed with much scepticism. regardless, patience and wisdom instead of reacting with emotion is required (even if the allegation of the hand-shake is true, many of the other implied things may not be), as allah says:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِن جَاءكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَأٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا أَن تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًا بِجَهَالَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلَى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نَادِمِينَ
O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

the shaykh is only human, he will have to account for wherever he has faultered. even if this allegation of a lapse is true, then as brother abuz-zubair said: this man has been a beacon of knowledge in the west and through him allah has protected many from the clutches of the pseudo-sunnis. that he shared a stage with some people who are murtadeen means nothing whatsoever, in the shaykh's ijtihaad he may have already considered all of the possibilities and their prospective benefits as soon as he was informed of the arrangements.

the very least we can do for the shaykh during this time when people are trying to smear his name and humiliate him, is give him the benefit of our doubt and try to make the best excuses for him as is required- while he is given an oppurtunity to respond, if not out of adherence to the sunnah then at least in return for the volumes of knowledge he has shared with us and from which i personally have benefitted greatly from.

inna lillahi wa inna 'ilayhi raaji'oon

[Abuz Zubair]

as-salaamu 'alaikum,

Dear brother muhaqqiq, I think sometimes we forget that the heros we look upto are human beings like ourselves who err.

We often have this image about so-called duat as superstars or whatever, but we really do not know the sins they may commit in secret. Because they are at the end only human beings with hearts, desires, qarin and shaytan trying to pull them in all funny directions.

One of the classical scholars and a great usuli of Islam didn't used to pray regularly. Once his students marked the bottom of his foot with a pen when he was asleep and checked after a few days and the mark was still there. meaning, over the days he didn't even make wudu and pray.

If one reads works like Siyar, one would come across lots of such stories.

What we are hearing about brother Yasir is yet to be proven. And even if what happened is true, we need to realise that it could be due to two reasons: i) his weak nature, or ii) change of ijtihad.

If it is the first, then we as brothers are required to make dua and hide his sins, instead of helping Muna spread her propaganda. And if it is the latter then pray to Allah that he gets the reward for his sincere ijtihad, and that Allah corrects his opinion.

As al-Dhahabi says, who is free from errors? What we are supposed to do is to weigh a person's positive and negative points and if the former out weighs the latter, we should always have him in good light, in spite of his errors. This is unlike someone whoes bad out weighs the good, for such a person should be kept at bay and warned against.

So here we have brother Yasir Qadhi who has dedicated a good portion of his life studying, writing, teaching, inspiring. Does it take one slip, on part of this son of Adam, to be written-off and hated? This isn't justice. And if one expects Allah to be just with him, he must make sure that he is just to Allah's creation.

Also, there is nothing wrong with attending conference organised by liberal murtad people, so long as your goal is to go there to either find out what they are saying, who is who, or try to get your view across to those of the audience who may be open minded. What is wrong with that?

Yes, if they were to advertise this conference amongst the general crowd and encourage people to go, that would have been a different case. But from what we know of brother Yasir is that he isn't with the liberal crowd, and nor do I think he is going to change this fast!

The only objectionable thing to me is brother Yasir shaking hands with a non-Mahram woman, and that is only IF the report is true.

I would suggest we all listen to Yasir's lecture on the slander against Aa'isha. I never heard it myself, but I have heard from others good things about it, and the topic itself is I think very important for us to learn about.

BTW, the Jahmi plot is true. Just search google for yasir qadhi and you'll come across quite a few sufi blogs at pains with discrediting Yasir for anything.

I don't know why these people go to al-Maghrib forums when they know their policy is NOT to be confrontational at all. If these guys are so brave and convinced of their Aristotelianism, let them come here and defend it.

wasalam

[ibnmyatt]

the shaykh is only human, he will have to account for wherever he has faultered


Ibn Abbaas narrated that Allah's Messenger (salallaahu 'alayhi wa 'salaam) said: "There is no believing servant who does not make a mistake from time to time, or some mistake which he persists in and does not abandon until he leaves this world. Indeed, the Believer was created as one who is frequently tried and tested, who often repents (then) forgets. When he is admonished he accepts the admonition." Reported by at-Tabarani in al-Mu'jam al Kabir (number 11,810)

[WM]

Yes, you are probably right, this I will do insha Allah. btw, the blog and everything else I created, I deleted them a few hours after starting them, 2 days ago now, because I started to get sick at what I was writing. Abuz Zubair, I would appreciate it if you could contact me. Man, am I depressed. It's good you didn't mention the name of that scholar who was lazy in prayer, otherwise I would have sworn never to read his books. It's really going to take a few days for me to get over the shock, Subhaan Allah.

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

as-salaamu 'alaikum,

I would suggest we all listen to Yasir's lecture on the slander against Aa'isha. I never heard it myself, but I have heard from others good things about it, and the topic itself is I think very important for us to learn about.

if this is the one i'm thinking of, then it is a truly excellent audio. he narrates the story very well and emphasises how the munaafiqeen saw aa'ishah radhiallahu 'anha entering the town in the company of a non-mahram and then started spreading rumours and distorted the narrative, making some heinous allegations until much of the community had been paralysed by it, ironically much like what has been happening to the brother himself (to a degree)! it's a great audio, may allah bless umm al-mu'mineen aa'ishah radhiallahu 'anha, and may allah reward the shaykh and correct him if he made an error in this regard.

[Intoodeep]

One of the classical scholars and a great usuli of Islam didn't used to pray regularly. Once his students marked the bottom of his foot with a pen when he was asleep and checked after a few days and the mark was still there. meaning, over the days he didn't even make wudu and pray.

what!! must have been a bit of a murjee..like a lot of these others :)

[Brother_Mujahid]

As far is Yasir Qadhi is concerned he has begun to soften out (or ISNAize you might say). He told brothers that I know personally that we don't hate the kuffar and that doesn't hold the belief that America is Dar al-Kufr. He is going to Yale and taking Islamic studies there. I fear that the Orientalist teachings are starting to effect him. May Allaah guide him to what is correct and keep him falsehood.

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

people have to stop being fooled by this guy,true he has knowlege but he calls mujahideen khawarij and warns against them. It would be ok if he kept this to himself but he propogates these veiws even to the point of making cd's and giving leactures.

Its not like he is being forced to say these things.

[umar bin khatab]

For me its enough that those who oppose salafies, wahabis or whatever they label us are covered up in some or other form of shirk.

We can be proud to speak on top of our voice that "We are the flagbearers of Tawheed".

[knoweldge_seeker]

Asalaamualykum.

The information in the above article might be true. It is sh. Yasir qadhi's opinion that it is not haraam to shake a womens hand. When asked about the hadith of the nail in the head, he responded that it was daeef.

Like br. abuzubair highlighted that it is a mistake on his part. Shaykh Yasir has done AMAZING (i cannot even think of a diff word to further exagerate this) work in preaching tawheed and defending ahlus sunnah wal jammah espeically here in america. Unfortunately he has some odd fiqhi opinions that are not in line with the typical islamqa answer's u'd read.

[Umm Ahmed]

Wa alaykum asaalaam


It is sh. Yasir qadhi's opinion that it is not haraam to shake a womens hand. When asked about the hadith of the nail in the head, he responded that it was daeef

Could you elaborate more on this , ie when and where he said it?

may Allaah forgive us for our errors ameen.

[Abuz Zubair]

From what I have heard, he still thinks shaking hands with women is Haram.

[Umm Ahmed]

Yes thats why I am seeking his clarification , as he hasn't brought any proof that he said it .

[knoweldge_seeker]

Asalaamaulykum.

Sorry for the delay in the response.

Basically a group of us had a dinner with him and there we had a random QA session. One of us asked a question regarding the constant dilema of shaking hands w/ women in school (espeically while giving interviews for med skool) to which the shaykh said in his opinion it was OK. I was surprised on his response and I asked about the hadith of the nail to whcih he said the authenticity of the hadith was debatable.

In any case, more discuession is not needed on this issue. The shaykh's opinion is odd in this matter and further talk on this does nothing but gives the mubtadi's more room to slander and attack the great knowledgeseekers or scholars.... we have very few like him to start with..

[MaRyAm]

Asalaamualykum.

The information in the above article might be true. It is sh. Yasir qadhi's opinion that it is not haraam to shake a womens hand. When asked about the hadith of the nail in the head, he responded that it was daeef.

Like br. abuzubair highlighted that it is a mistake on his part. Shaykh Yasir has done AMAZING (i cannot even think of a diff word to further exagerate this) work in preaching tawheed and defending ahlus sunnah wal jammah espeically here in america. Unfortunately he has some odd fiqhi opinions that are not in line with the typical islamqa answer's u'd read.so the hadith is not authentic?

[1mran]

no, the hadith is Sahih

Ma’qal ibn Yassaar (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘If one of you were to be struck in the head with an iron needle, it would be better for him than if he were to touch a woman he is not allowed to.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045).

but thats not the only evidence.

we also know that the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) never did this (ie shaking hands of the opposite sex)

infact, according to Sheikh al-Albaani, it was also the practise of the Salaf not to great women on the straight, unless they had to (you kno the hadith about how we should great our muslim brothers if we seem them, even if we dont know them...)

Sheikh Zaiullah khan, said that one of the reasons for this prohibition is because, and he said this is based on a study, that women can be seduced by the touch of a man, hence why we dont shake their hands, where as men get seduced by the beauty of women, hence women cover up. and Allah knows best

here is a good (if not the best) answer insha'Allah

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=2459&ln=eng


Also remember, if this is the sheikhs opinion, lets not eat his flesh and try advice him in person or by email

yqadhi@hotmail.com

if he still disagrees, u have done your part, leave the rest to Allah

and we should understand the sin is between him and his lord. we can avoid learning this from him and take everything else that is good. insha'Allah

[knowrass]

wasn't there a thread somewhere about this whole shaking hands incident with yasir qadhi? i recall someone saying yasir qadhi was asked about it and he said it was wrong, then he asked shaykh salaah as-saawi about it and he told him (yasir) to do istigfhaar. i think this all happened in the texas dawah convention? wallaahu a'lam.

[Abu_Zahid]

I am currently listening to Yasir Qadhi's series on Kitab at Tawheed...and I clearly remember him in one of the lectures bringing up the nail in the head hadith, when asked a question about shaking hands by one of the students.

It was in lecture 10 - 13, one of them or in between..not sure.

Therefore, it seems apparent that at the time of recording at least, he was of the opinion that it is haraam and he follows that hadith.

just wantd to add that to give peace of mind to some who end up reading this old thread again now that its back up to the top

[Skillganon]

I tot shaking hand with opposite sex is not permitted. You guys are confusing me now.

Anyway.
Their is also lot of material being spread around on Shiekh Albani.

You know the book called "Albani unvieled"?

Yeah I will like to know more about it.

[1mran]

I tot shaking hand with opposite sex is not permitted. You guys are confusing me now.

Anyway.
Their is also lot of material being spread around on Shiekh Albani.

You know the book called "Albani unvieled"?

Yeah I will like to know more about it.

Its not permitted.

we were just discussing an error made by a known sheikh. Allah knows best


The book you are talking about is by shaytan and his followers. these sufis have obviously lost the battle when it comes to intellect, so they stoop to the low of attacking ulema who follow the way of the Salaf and spread lies about them,

but alhamdulilah, all ther lies will never stay hidden and have been easily refuted by many...


The reply is the one who wrote that book: http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?category=36

[juwairiyah]

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh


InshaAllah don't believe it unless uve see with ur own eyes .I don't believe that article.
Lets say he shook hands with awoman then InshaAllah he did it by mistake,sometimes we do things and realise later, maybe the woman was the first one to initiate Allahualam whatever be the case its a lesson for all of us that any one can get into shaytan's trap..
Remember even sahabahs committed zina ,or they did sex whilst fasting but Alhamdulillah they repented and still we say radhiallahuanhu after their name.
InshaAllah he'll repent too and who knows he might be a muqarrab slave of Allah ...may Allah wash his sins ameen

[mika]

OH MY GOD, SHAME ON HIM.......an man shake hand with a women....

What shall we do....lets see, at least we got to find some kind of punishment for this terrible crime according to peaceful Allah's divine laws, because punishment is the only way ahead.

Any suggestions to what kind of consequence this should have, because at least some kind of punishment is necessary isn’t it?......or what?

Suggestions:


Whipping
Stoning
Out casting from family and friends
Burning in hell


I am sure that there is a lot more sophisticated suggestions on this expert forum.

BR
Mika

[Mu'awiya]

OH MY GOD, SHAME ON HIM.......an man shake hand with a women...

Suggestions:
Whipping
Stoning
Out casting from family and friends
Burning in hellI am sure that there is a lot more sophisticated suggestions on this expert forum.

BR
Mika



Reminds me SOO much of the OT punishments! :D And it's ironic since you believe that Jesus is God (which is clear blasphemy), so infact - according to your logic, it was he who made those EXACT laws! :rolleyes: :p

[abu hafs]

or may be the son of god should be killed to atone for the sins.

[stani]

i asked the shaikh directly and the response i got was abit iffy.

i said to him that i came accross an article in which he shaked a womens hand to which he replied - 'im not your qari' (in a raised voice) and then he said - i achieved what i wanted to achieve - (or words which meant the same).

but he didnt defend it - as in saying its permissable

i took 'qari' to mean 'role model' is this correct?

[Nu7]

Old thread, I know. But Shaykh Yasir Qadhi talks about the incident with that Mona lady towards the end of this lecture:

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