Can shirk occur in the jazeerah????

[abu-musa_al-leeby]

as-salaamu alaikum
Shaikh muqbil was asked concerning the hadeeth about the shaytaan losing hope in being worshipped in the arabian gulf so he answered by saying
"And in the arabian peninsula(aljazeerah)you will find those who call upon other than allah and there are those who judge by other an what allah has sent down and judging by other than what allah has sent down is SHIRK and KUFR and we find those who hold beliefs in other than allah so this is the conjecture(thunn) of the shaytaan and he is mistaken in his conjecture and his conjecture is not a hujjah(a proof) and we see shirk developing in these days for example the U.N security council for verily the hukkam(rulers in the jazeerah) judge to it and judging to it(security council) is SHIRK and KUFR and judging to the united nations is SHIRK and KUFR allah says what translated means(OR DO THEY HAVE PARTNERS WHO LEGISLATE FOR THEM THAT WHICH ALLAH DID NOT PERMITT)"source-qam'ul mu'aanid-vol1pge 25 daarul-hadeeth in dammaaj

wassalamu alaikum

abu musa

[MosDef]

Assalaam O Alaykum,

so why does sheikh muqbil ask us to obey the Tawagheet in different quotes? these quotes are later (apparently) where he warns of the "hizbees"...

AllahuMusta'an

[MosDef]

"And let me say this, no one has encouraged me nor forced me to say this. Rather I myself hold that it is a must for me in order for me to clear my conscience and position. Although I do believe that I was expelled from the Kingdom wrongfully.

Yet, La ilaha ill Allah, so many times I have been in arguments with the people who make takfeer of the Saudi government. And I would say to them: ‘The Saudi government is not a kaafir government.’

So what was said previously, it is obligatory upon each muslim in every Islaamic land to support this government because Allah (subhana wata’ala) says in His Noble Book: "And help one another in deeds of righteousness and taqwa and do not help one another in deeds of sin and transgression."

And the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wassallam) has said: "The believer to another believer is like a building, one part of it strengthens the other." Which is agreed upon on the authority of Abu Musa. And the Messenger ( sallallahu alaihi wassallam) said: "The likeness of the believers in their love, compassion and mercy, is like the body, if one part of it suffers, the rest of the body becomes affected with fever and sleeplessness."

And also another thing is their honouring of the scholars. And their noble elder, Abdul Azeez (rahimullah wata’ala) enjoined this upon them. So they uplift the scholars and respect them very much.

But there are also evil scholars around who speak ill of the Saudi government and might make takfeer on them. So a distinction is necessary with regards to the people of knowledge. Whoever is on their Aqeedah, which is Tawheed, then he should be respected. And whoever is upon Aqeedah of Bid’ah or Hizbiyyah, should not.

The Hizbi’s O my brothers are evil. They are preparing themselves to take over the government as soon as they get a chance to. So it is important not to let them do so."

[From the Shaykhs Last Tape: What I Witnessed in Saudi Arabia]

[abu-musa_al-leeby]

As-salaamu alaikum


ya mosdef what does my post have to do with your question?

The post was about the possibilty of shirk occuring in the arabian peninsula.So what does that have to do with shaikh muqbil's latest stance towards saudi arabia???loool

I believe i discussed this issue in detail on ahya.org so refer to my posts.
As for shaikh muqbil's stance then this is his opinion and his ijtihaad(rahimhullah)but let me ask you ya akhee.What do you think of 'abdullah al'azaam's stance towards diy'ul-haqq?(former ruler of pakistan)who clearly judged by secular laws more so then saudi arabia without doubt
and believed in a democratic system and was a strong ally of the states!!!
but yet shaikh 'abdallah 'azaaam-rahimahullah still held him to be a muslim ruler!what would be your response ya mosdef??

Will accuse him of irjaa'?or being a defender of the tawaagheet?or will you say may allah be merciful with shaikh abdullah al-'azzaam and that he was incorrect in his ijtihaad????


wassalaamu alaikum

[Logic lover]

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[abu hafs]

FOURTH : Pagans also claimed that no idolatry will take place among the people of Muhammad (peace be upon him) as long as they say 'There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah", and what they do in connection to the cult of the saints is not idolatry. First of all, it is wrong to assume that no idolatry will take place among the people of Muhammad. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said that similarities to Jews and Christians will appear in the deeds of his people. We know that they have also adored their popes and monks the same as deities. The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said, "You will follow the ways of those who passed before you exactly in the same manner. Even if they enter the hole of a lizard, you will also enter it." They (his companions) said: "O, Messenger of Allah, do you mean Jews and Christians ?" He said, "Then, who else?" (60)

So the Prophet PBUH has informed us that among his people will be those who follow the previous people in their dogmas, manners and general characteristics. As idolatry was present in previous nations, it will also be found among people today. This has already happened, for we still hear of people adoring graves of pious men and saints in different manners and sacrifices are offered to them. The Prophet PBUH had also warned us that the Day of Resurrection would not come until a group from among his people joined idolaters and worshipped deities. (61)

Today, a number of false groups and destructive ideologies have emerged and led people out of the bounds of Islam.

FIFTH : They also argue on the basis of a Hadith which says, 'Certainly Satan has despaired from being adored by prayer holders in the Arabian Peninsula." Though the Hadith is sound, drawing a conclusion that idolatry would be impossible in the Arabian Peninsula would be incorrect. Ibn Rajab (Allah's mercy be upon him) said : "It means that Satan has despaired from the entire people falling into idolatry." The same interpretation has been given by Ibn Kathir in the meaning of the following Quranic verse : Today, the unbelievers have despaired at averting you from your religion." Grammatically, the Arabic verb for despair is in a transitive form which, in Arabic, demonstrates that Satan's despairing isa result of his own assumption, based on incorrect knowledge. Moreover, such an interpretation is contradicting the previously mentioned Prophetic traditions and also it is in contradiction in reality because we know that many Arabs turned away from Islam just after the death of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

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