Regarding missing sahoor in the Hanafi madhhab

[umm_muthanna]

Assalaamu alaykum ikhwaani wa akhawaati,

I have relatives that follow the Hanafi madhhab and apparently they believe, that if a person misses sahoor but still fasts, then his/her fast is invalid, and the person must do qadhaa' for it.

I do not know what is the basis for this, but for what I personally know is that the correct ruling is that sahoor is not conditional for a person's fast to be valid.

I'd really like some tips and advices, daleels if you can get any, to help me proove to them that what they're doing is wrong because some of their children for example don't try to get up for sahoor and then they miss out a wholeday's fast.

Jazaakumullaah in advance.

[aburasheed]

There's one hadith from memory, which goes something like this: when the Prophet (SAW) came home and there were no food. Then he declared, "I'm fasting today".

Does anyone know the reference for this hadith?

[umm_muthanna]

akhi aburasheed, the hadeeth is from Saheeh Muslim:

Chapter 29: PERMISSIBILITY OF MAKING AN INTENTION FOR VOLUNTARY FASTING BEFORE NOON AND PERMISSIBILITY OF BREAKING VOLUNTARY FAST WITHOUT REASON

Book 006, Number 2573:

'A'isha, the Mother of the Believers (Allah be pleased with her), reported that one day the Messenger of Allah (pay peace be upon him) said to me: 'A'isha, have you anything (to eat)? I said: 'Messenger of Allah, there is nothing with us. Thereupon he said: I am observing fast. She said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) went out, and there was a present, for us and (at the same time) some visitors dropped in. When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came back, I said to him: Messenger of Allah, a present was given to us, (and in the meanwhile) there came to us visitors (a major Portion of it has been spent on them), but I have saved something for you. He said: What is it? I said: It is hais (a compound of dates and clarified butter). He said: Bring that. So I brought it to him and he ate it and then said: I woke up in the morning observing fast. Talha said: I narrated this hadith to Mujahid and he said: This (observing of voluntary fast) is like a person who sets apart Sadaqa out of his wealth. He may spend it if he likes, or he may retain it if he so likes.


Book 006, Number 2574:

'A'isha, the Mother of the Believers (Allah be pleased with her), reported: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to me one day and said: Is there anything with you (to eat)? I said: No. Thereupon he said: I shall then be fasting. Then he came to us another day and we said: Messenger of Allah, hais has been offered to us as a gift. Thereupon he said: Show that to me; I had been fasting since morning. He then ate it.

[Abuz Zubair]

This is only with respect to voluntary fasts and not obligatory. For the latter one must have the intention before the fast begins and must maintain that intention. Changing the intention anytime during the fast would break the person's fast and render it null and void.

[umm_muthanna]

For the latter one must have the intention before the fast begins and must maintain that intention. Changing the intention anytime during the fast would break the person's fast and render it null and void.

so is having the intention from the beginning of the month of ramadhaan enough to fast for the next 30 days? or must i make my intention everyday before imsaak/fajr starts? regarding the niiya, there isn't any specific "du'aa'" that must be made for fasting, right? also, isn't the correct opinion that it (niiya) shouldn't be uttered loud?

jazaakAllaah in advance.