Are jama'atu-tableegh innovators

[abu-musa_al-leeby]

shaikh 'abdurazzaqq 'afeefi said


"The reality is that they are mubtdi'ah (innovators) ,muharrifoon(distorters) and people of qaadiree soofee orders and others and their khurooj is for the sake of ilyaas (the founder of at-tableegh) and they do not call to the book and sunnah but they call to their shaikh ilyaas in *** India. As for going out for the purpose of da'wah then this is jihaad for the sake of allah and is not the khurooj of jam'atu-tableegh. I've known at-tableegh for while and they are mubtadi'ah regardless of where they are situated, whether they are in egypt or israel or america or saudi arabia for all of them have ties to their shaikh ilyaas."

fatawa of shaikh 'abdurazzaaq 'afeefi (vol.1pg174)

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[alburkaan]

Salam

^ Nonsense as usual.

Generalisations are usually fake.

[abu-musa_al-leeby]

as-salaamu alaikum

hold your horses ya burkaan and dont errupt for this is the kalaam of shaikh 'abdurazzq 'afeefi one of the major scholars of this ummah but if you like to know the deviationS of this groupIN DETAIL then read thIS BOOK

AL -QAWLUL-BALEEGH FIT-TAHTHERRI MIN AT-TABLEEGH-BY SHAIKH HUMOOD AT-TUWAIJIREE

WASSLAMU ALAIKUM

[Abu Hatim]

Asalam alaykum

In the name of Allah

We have seen many such Fatawa's from various scholar's over the year's concerning the Tableeg and most of the fatawa are warning against them.I remember one such fatwa where sheikh Bin Baz said that the tableeg are amongst the 72 deviant sect's along side the murjiah and the khawarijee,and that some of the ulema consider the khawarijee to be kuffar but still a different sect.
Also when the Allamah,sheikh Al-albani was asked about the tableeg, he responded by saying "the tableeg do not uphold the book of Allah or the sunnah of the messenger or upon the understanding of the salaf".

I traveled with the tableeg also in my early years of islam and there way is opposit the ahlul sunnah. Usually they have one knowledgeable person and the rest have absolutely no knowledge. This is against the ahlul sunnah because the majority of the scholar's from ahlul sunnah say that you have to gain knowledge before making dawah and Allah know's best.

Wa aslam alakum

[ali]

so that means when Imaam Ahmad said "whoever says my recitation is created is a Jahmee" then this is false and not taken.

asalamu alaikum

[a brother]

To this day, the leaders of Tableegh , like Taariq Jameel etc- during Ramadhaan, "renew" their Bay'ah to the "hand" of the dead M. Ilyaas- the founder of Tableegh. This happens in the city of Raiwand each year. It should be kept in mind that yes, there are even factions within the "deobandiyyah"- and they are not all uniform in 'aqeedah- some of them are indeed just Ahnaaf, yet Muwahhideen, but this is a minority, in comparison to the majority.

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the following is from their own sources- note the name of the book "Seerat Mansoor al-Hallaaj" they love that Taaghoot.

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http://www.geocities.com/hujjatulmuslim/wahdatalwujood

Wahdat al-Wujood Simplified

Summary of the explanation of Wahdat al-Wujood by Maulana Zafar Ahmad Usmani in the Introduction of his Urdu book "Al-Qawlul Mansur fi Ibn al-Mansur" (also known as "Seerat-e-Mansur Hallaj")

Allah Ta'ala has many qualities, one of them is wujood (existence). The wujood of Allah is compulsory (Allah is 'wajib al-Wujood'). The wujood of Allah has no beginning and no end. The wujood of the creation of Allah is 'hadis' (of recent occurrence) and dependent upon Allah Ta'ala in all its aspects.

Regarding the wujood of the creation, the Ulama-e-Zahir say that the wujood of the creation is 'mustaqil' (confirmed), meaning that it is not a shadow of the existence of Allah but entirely dependent upon Allah in all its aspects. The soofia-e-kiram say that the wujood of the creation is 'ghair-mustaqil' (unconfirmed). Indeed, the wujood of the creation is 'khayali' (speculative). The real wujood is that of Allah alone. The entire creation is a testimony of the wujood of Allah. In other words, the existence of the creation is totally different than the existence of Allah. One can not make 'qiyas' (analogical deduction) of Allah's wujood with that of the creation. The existence of Allah is real and independent. Therefore, wahdat al-wujood means that Allah is one in His existence as He is one in His 'zaat' (self/identity). It is a much deeper notion of 'tawheed' (oneness of Allah). 'Wahdat as-shuhood' means that the mere speculative existence of the creation testifies the independent existence of Allah.

'Wujood-e-khayali' (the speculative existence of the creation) is of two types:

1. 'Waqi'ee' (occurring)

2. 'Ghair waqi'ee (non-occurring)

The soofia say that the creation is 'waqi'ee' (occurring) but its occurrence is limited in terms of 'makaan' (place) and 'zamaan' (time) and dependent upon Allah. It would be wrong to call the creation non-occurring and say that everything one sees is Allah, this is against the 'aqaa'id' (beliefs) of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah. This is where all the misunderstanding arises. In reality, the beliefs held by the 'soofia-e-kiram' in regards to the oneness of Allah are in exact accordance with Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah and much deeper and firm-rooted than those of the 'ulama-e-zahir'. Once a person believes that the creation is only speculative then he will not think and believe that the benefits and harms being displayed by the creation are its creation but all harm and benefit is the creation of Allah. The creation only displays the orders of Allah. The 'hikmah' (wisdom) of 'wahdat al-wujood' and 'wahdat as-shuhood' is to ingrain a deep 'yaqin' (conviction) of Allah in the depths of the hearts. If a person has a hard time understanding this, he should stick to the basic beliefs and tenets of Islam as described by the 'ulama-e-zahir' because these are proven from the Quran with clarity. However, one does not have the right to criticize the 'soofia' for their beliefs just because one is unable to understand the reality of their views. One should also understand that the views of the 'soofia' regarding 'wahdat al-wujood' are not from the fundamentals of 'tassawwuf' and understanding it is not a condition for a 'saalik' (seeker of truth). Those who speak ill of the 'soofia' should fear Allah and contemplate over the following hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi WaSallam):

إملاء الخير خير من السكوت والسكوت خير من إملاء الشر رواه البيهقى فى شعب الايمان

"Speaking what is good is better than silence and silence is better than talking evil."

(Reported by al-Bayhaqi)


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Plus, they call the Taaghoot Mumeet ad-Deen Ibn 'Arabee "The Greatest Scholar".
http://alashrafia.com/arabic.html

عقيدة في التوحيد للشيخ الاكبر محي الدين بن عربي

"The 'Aqeedah of Tawheed by al-Shaykh al-Akbar, Ibn 'Arabee"

then they go on to host the writings of Hasan 'Alee as-Saqqaaf and Zaahid al-Kawtharee against the Ahl as-Sunnah.

And they also host the writings of people who were extremists in their hatred of Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (ra), like the following

الدرة المضية فى الرد على ابن تيمية شيخ الاسلام تقي الدين السبكي الشافعي رحمة الله عليه


they also host the fabricated "Dhahabee's Naseehah to IBn Taymiyyah"- in which such farication like Dhahabee denouncing Ibn Taymiyyah etc etc..

http://alashrafia.com/images/annaseeha.pdf

[a brother]

The verdicts of Shaykh al-Khudhayr and al-Qaa’idah upon the TABLEEGHI JAMA’AT

1) The Mujaahid, Muwahhid, Prisoner of the Taaghoot, ‘Alee ibn Khudhayr al-Khudhayr (may Allaah hasten his release from prison) said in the beginning of his explanation (sharh) named “al-Waseet: Sharh Awwal Risaalah fee Majmoo’ah at-Tawheed” which is originally by Imaam Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahhaab (ra), printed in 1421:

Note: There are some new groups which also don’t differentiate between the meanings of “Rabb” and “Ilaah”. And they claim that “Laa Ilaah Illaa Allaah” means “Laa Rabb Illaa Allaah”.
And this is the case with these present-day Ashaa’irah, and at this very moment with the modern-day grave-worshippers, and also the Soofiyyah, and also the Tableegh Jamaa’ah- none of them differentiate between the two words.

And if a person seeks to know if one of these (sects) differentiate between the words “Allaah” and “Rabb”, then ask them regarding the meaning of “Laa Ilaah Illaa Allaah”. So if they reply “Indeed Allaah is the only Sustainer and Creator” and stops here, then you already know that he has agreed with the foundation (asl) of the heretics. So ask him again, this time regarding the one who slaughters for other than Allaah- Does he become a kaafir or not? So if he is truly upon the foundation of the heretics, he will say, “Even if he slaughters for other than Allaah but still believes that Allaah is the only Creator and Sustainer, then he does not become a kaafir”- then know that he does not differentiate between “Rabb” and “Allaah”.

2) The official web-site of al-Qaa’idah, which was run by Shaykh Yoosuf al-‘Uyayree (ra, who was killed by the taaghoot sa’(yah)oodee regime in 2003), known as “The Center for Islaamic Studies and Research” (Markaz ad-Diraasaat wa al-Buhooth al-Islaamiyyah) compiled a book- “Tis’ah wa Thalaathoon Waseelah li-Khidmah al-Jihaad wa al-Mujaahideen fee Sabeelillaah” (Thirty-Nine Ways to Serve the Jihaad and Mujaahidoon in Allaah’s Path).

Under “Service Number 29” entitled “Learning the Principles of Jihaad”:
“And from the many ways to help the Mujaahideen is to learn the principles of Jihaad… And it is indeed very beneficial to have people to defend the Jihaad and Mujaahideen from the attacks of the munaafiqeen. And obviously, he who refutes with knowledge is not the same as he who refutes without knowledge…” And then the book goes on to list many books which should be read, regarding Tawheed, Taaghoot, Haakimiyyah, Shirk, Walaa and Baraa, hijrah, apostasy, Jihaad, fabricated man-made laws, nullifications of Islaam, kufr of helping against the Muslims, rulings on the jaasoos, martyrdom operations, releasing the captive mujaahideen, the history of jihad, crusades, Filasteen, virtues of martyrdom, khilaafah…

And then there is a special section of books regarding deviant sects. One book mentioned is by Shaykh Aboo Muhammad al-Maqdasee (may Allaah hasten his release from prison), “Tahdheer al-Bariyyah” which is regarding the deviancies of the sect of al-Madkhalee and al-Jaamee and their followers. And then the al-Qaa’idah book, in this same section, requests for the reading of the famous book, “al-Qowl al-Baleegh fee at-Tahdheer min Jamaa’ah at-Tableegh” (An Eloquent Statement of Warning Against the Tableegh Jamaa’ah), written by the Imaam Hammood at-Tuwayjiree (ra, he died about 11 years ago).

This was an Imaam, a great one indeed. He also wrote the famous book regarding Walaa and Baraa entitled, “Tuhfah al-Ikhwaan: fee Al-Muwaalaah wa al-Mu’aadaah wa al-Hubb al-Baghdh wa al-Hijraan” (A Gift to the Brothers regarding Friendship and Hostility, Love and Hatred, and Emigration). And this is also a book requested to be read by the al-Qaa’idah book.

The Imaam also said, “Seeking legislation from other than the Sharee’ah of Muhammad (saw) is the Farthest Misguidance and the Greatest Nifaaq… and the majority of those who turn away from the Sharee’ah of Muhammad (saw) in our age are… from the Tawaagheet who attach themselves to Islaam, but (in reality) they are disconnected from it.” al-Eedhaah wat-Tabyeen limaa waqa’a feehi al-Aktharoon min Mushaabahah al-Mushrikeen pg. 28-29

And so this is the very same man who said regarding the Tableegh Jamaa’ah in his previously mentioned book “al-Qowl al-Baleegh”:

“And verily the Pious Predecessors (al-Salaf al-Saalih) used warn from the heretics, and caution each other from them, and prohibit sitting with them, accompanying them, and listening to them; and they used to command forsaking them, enmity towards them, and hating them, and disassociating from them.” (al-Qowl al-Baleegh: 31-33)

And then Imaam at-Tuwayjiree (ra) narrates what Aboo Daawood (ra) has said:
“I said to Ahmad ibn Hanbal, “I saw a man from the descendants of the Prophet (saw) along with a man from the heretics. Should the former one’s words be thrown away?” He answered, “No. Rather, you should educate the one you saw with the heretic. So if he abandons the heretic (then that is better for him), and if not, let him be with him (for he is a heretic also). For Ibn Mas’ood (ra) had said, “A person is with his companion.”- Recorded in Tabaaqaat al-Hanaabilah (1/160), and Manaaqib Ahmad of Ibn al-Jawzee (250).

And then Imaam at-Tuwayjiree (ra) comments upon this incident between Imaam Aboo Daawood (ra) and Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra), saying:

“And this narration from Imaam Ahmad should be applied to those who praise and defend the evil (baatil) of the Tableeghees. So the one knows that the Tableeghees are people of heresies, misguidance, and ignorance- and yet praises them and defends them, then he is one of them. Such a person should be dealt with the same way the Tableeghees should be dealt with, with hatred, abandonment, and rejection.
But as for the one who is ignorant regarding the situation of the Tableeghees, then their affairs should be clarified to him- how they are upon heresies, misguidance, and ignorance. But if he still doesn’t stop praising them and defending them without clear knowledge of their state of affairs- then he is one of them, and should be dealt with the same way they are dealt with.” (al-Qowl al-Baleegh: 230-231)

These sayings are directly from the book recommended by the al-Qaa’idah book. You could say that this book has been given “tazkiyyah” by the ‘Ulamaa of al-Qaa’idah.

And since the al-Qaa’idah website was taken down by the yahoodee khinzeer, the book “39 Ways” has been replaced onto the website of Shaykh Aboo Muhammad al-Maqdasee (may Allaah hasten his release from prison), The Minbar of Tawheed and Jihaad (www.tawhed.ws ). So this also means that this book also has “tazkiyyah” from the Shaykh.