Questions on Islam and fundamentalists

[US infadel]

Hey all I'm new here. I've viewed a few of the threads already on here and have come to see a lot of close minded people and views on this forum. As you are already thinking, NO I am NOT a Muslim. Although my religious belifes differ from yours I'd like to understand more about the religion of Islam and why the fundamentalists are doing what they are doing.

Since I haven't read the Quran I can't speak about it. Although I don't understand what kind of God would praise those comitting cold blooded murder. This is seen across the globe. From the smallest of countries to the largest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the founder of Islam, would go around and tell people to convert to Islam or they'd be killed. Thus creating a strong following and a new religion. IF I AM RIGHT on this then the religion of Islam has always been and always will be a violent religion and bane on human society.

By now you are all fuming mad at this "infadels" posting. HAHAHAHA...to bad I've seen what you all post and am simply turning the tables so to speak.

Finally I can't understand the extreme Islamics out there. These groups and people like Bin Laden, use religion warping it to try and accomplish their political means. They don't care about the idiot who blows him/her self up in a car or bus. They are expendable to these leaders. Nothing but worthless human material.

This is all really quite a shame as the middle east has some unique architechture and a very interesting culture. Unfourtunatly it is all being overshadowed by current world events.

Peace out and prosper

[Sayf]

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[US infadel]

Thak you for correcting my spelling. Although I am wondering what peoples views are on this subject.

[jabaraltariq]

Hey all I'm new here. I've viewed a few of the threads already on here and have come to see a lot of close minded people and views on this forum. As you are already thinking, NO I am NOT a Muslim. Although my religious belifes differ from yours I'd like to understand more about the religion of Islam and why the fundamentalists are doing what they are doing.

Since I haven't read the Quran I can't speak about it. Although I don't understand what kind of God would praise those comitting cold blooded murder. This is seen across the globe. From the smallest of countries to the largest.

Hello

Peace be upon those who are sincerely seeking the truth.

I was very pleased to see that you enquired about Islam and I am sure that many of the muslims are also pleased that you did so.

You said that you have not read the quran. I would strongly advise you to read the Quran. I think you are missing out on a lot. I advise you to study the quran and question its source and contents. I advise you to analyse it and compare it with other texts and books with an open mind.

Allah does not permit cold blooded murder.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the founder of Islam, would go around and tell people to convert to Islam or they'd be killed. Thus creating a strong following and a new religion. IF I AM RIGHT on this then the religion of Islam has always been and always will be a violent religion and bane on human society.

You are wrong about Islam. I hope you don't take offence but you have a lot of misconceptions about Islam. Islam is the way of life chosen by the creator of the universe for those who wish to please Allah. Muhammad (pbuh) was only a man, who was chose by Allah to CONVEY the messege , and NOT convert.

You see, it is Allah who can change the hearts. No man has the ability or power to change what someone believes within their heart.

From what you have stated, it would mean that I can force you to have the same beliefs as me and then you would start loving me and follow me. I am afraid I disagree with you. Those who followed Muhammad (pbuh), did it because they wanted to and those who opposed him, did it because they wanted to. That is the difference between humans and beasts. We have a choice either to believe in the truth or disbelieve in the truth.

By now you are all fuming mad at this "infadels" posting. HAHAHAHA...to bad I've seen what you all post and am simply turning the tables so to speak.

:)

What would you like to know about ISLAM?

Finally I can't understand the extreme Islamics out there. These groups and people like Bin Laden, use religion warping it to try and accomplish their political means. They don't care about the idiot who blows him/her self up in a car or bus. They are expendable to these leaders. Nothing but worthless human material.

This is all really quite a shame as the middle east has some unique architechture and a very interesting culture. Unfourtunatly it is all being overshadowed by current world events.

That is your opinion.

Peace out and prosper

Please ask us about Islam.

May Allah's guidance be with you.

Slave of Allah

[US infadel]

I would say that the main question I have is why do people follow these Islamic extremists who use the strong religious beliefs and values against eaisly swayed people; thus using them as pawns to progress their political means. Though this question could be used for any religious extremist group or cult I'm posing it to the forum members here. Simply because the majority of extrimists today happen to be Muslims.

Another question is why? Why is it that the religion of Islam is prone to these radical and senslesly violent people and groups? What is it about this religion that attracts these people? I haven't seen many radical, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Zoroastrians and Jews in the news killing people. So WHY ISLAM?

I just read that the body of an American was found in Iraq. What good does killing an innocent man with a family do to help the Iraqi people and the religion of Islam? How does this mans death shed this religion in a positive light? I know that the religion of Islam like any religion promotes love, kindness helping the fellow man and with the ultimate goal of reaching your version of heaven. At least it should if it doesn't.

It's just upsetting to know that anywhere you go in the world people are people. Though beliefs and cultures might differ in most cases people still have the same basic morals and values. And we're killing eachother left and right for what? Our individual idea of what God's message is? How laughable is that since God is above us all working on a plane we can't imagine.

[jabaraltariq]

I would say that the main question I have is why do people follow these Islamic extremists who use the strong religious beliefs and values against eaisly swayed people; thus using them as pawns to progress their political means. Though this question could be used for any religious extremist group or cult I'm posing it to the forum members here. Simply because the majority of extrimists today happen to be Muslims.

Another question is why? Why is it that the religion of Islam is prone to these radical and senslesly violent people and groups? What is it about this religion that attracts these people? I haven't seen many radical, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Zoroastrians and Jews in the news killing people. So WHY ISLAM?

It is only in the last 20 years that we have seen that muslims are being violent and "senseless". Forgive me, but I would advise you to study history and see how the muslims treated the people when the muslims were in power and had the authority.

In Southern Spain, all the muslims were killed and driven out by Christians. In Jerusalem, the Crusaders slaughtered so many muslims that that there were blood coming up to the ankles. The crusaders even boasted about it. The muslims ruled most of the worl for almost 1500. They ruled India also. If what you say is true, then no one in India would be hindu right? On the contrary, the vast majority of the Indians are Hindus. They still have their culture. It is only those who wanted to become Muslims that reverted to Islam, like my forefathers.

Today, the muslims are being burned to death in some parts of India. They are being raped and killed in Kashmir.

As for the Jews, the muslims used to protect the Jews from the Crusaders during the middle ages. Now the Jews have the authority and the power and so they go and take the muslim lands, destroy muslims' houses, kill their family members and imprison the innocents. Where is the justice?

As for the Zoroastrians, most of the Persian and Empire were Zoroastrians. Believe me, they killed a lot of people and fought the Greeks and the Romans for many years.

I just read that the body of an American was found in Iraq. What good does killing an innocent man with a family do to help the Iraqi people and the religion of Islam? How does this mans death shed this religion in a positive light? I know that the religion of Islam like any religion promotes love, kindness helping the fellow man and with the ultimate goal of reaching your version of heaven. At least it should if it doesn't.

What on earth is the American army doing in Iraq? The Iraqis do not want to be oppressed by the Americans in their own land. Millions of Muslims have been killed by non muslims in th last two decades (especially by America, Russia). But you see, our blood is cheap. We are worthless.

It's just upsetting to know that anywhere you go in the world people are people. Though beliefs and cultures might differ in most cases people still have the same basic morals and values. And we're killing eachother left and right for what? Our individual idea of what God's message is? How laughable is that since God is above us all working on a plane we can't imagine.

It is not only upsetting for you. It is also upsetting for us. You have the power. You have most destructive wepons on Earth. You have your armies deployed in most of the muslim nations. We do not want to be told what to do by America. We want to rule our selves. We want to practice our faith in peace.

I beg you to put yourself in our shoes and sincerely think about the world situation. Who are the real oppressors and who is really getting oppressed. Remember, America always says that this is not a war on Islam. So why is the subject of Islam always brought in whenever terror and terrorists are spoken about?

The questions you have asked are not really related to Islam. To find out the strength and the physical standing of something, you need to find out about its foundations. Please investigate the foundations that Islam is based upon. In that way, you will have a greater understanding about Islam.

Forgive me if I have offended you.

May Allah's guidance be with you

[jabaraltariq]

The questions you have asked are not really related to Islam. To find out the strength and the physical standing of something, you need to find out about its foundations. Please investigate the foundations that Islam is based upon. In that way, you will have a greater understanding about Islam.

Forgive me if I have offended you.

May Allah's guidance be with you

Here are a few websites you can have a look at and invetsigate.

http://www.beconvinced.com/

http://discover.islamway.com/

http://www.islam-guide.com/

Hope they are useful.

Take care

May Allah's guidance be with you.

[US infadel]

Thank you for your posts. I apriciate it. And no you haven't offended me in the least. Honestly I was expecting a somewhat different more irration response in all honesty. The reason why Islam is brought up with terrorists even you must conceed is because of groups like Al Quaida, Tawid and Jihad ( I misspelled) and others. These are Islamic fundamentalists that commit acts of terror.

As far as your views on Americas occupation of Iraq....why didn't the Muslim world stand up to Sadaam H. when he was killing scores of Iraqis for decades? Believe me I don't and the American people don't want to be in Iraq any longer than we need to be. But if insurgents keep attacking civilans (Iraqi, and foriegn alike), police, military, governmental and materials needed for Iraqs stability then the foriegnors will be there for a long time to come. These insurgents are not helping there cause in the long run. A friend of mine feels that we should just leave and let the Sunnis and Shiites kill eachother off. But since we liberated Iraq from Sadaam and the Bathist party we now have an obligation to make Iraq a stable country able to make a significant contribution to its people and the world.

Although you mentioned the Crusades, Southern Spain, Persia and India this does not relate to my question about radical religious terrorist groups in the world today. The websites you posted before I check them out I must ask how biased are they? Are these sites from unbiased sources? Or are they by people that already have a dislike towards the western world and are using the internet as their soapbox to preach their views from?

Even still thank you for your posts and contributions to help enlightn me from your point of view.

[Usayd Salah Ad Din]

Assalaamo aleikum,

Hey all I'm new here. I've viewed a few of the threads already on here and have come to see a lot of close minded people and views on this forum. As you are already thinking, NO I am NOT a Muslim. Although my religious beliefs differ from yours I'd like to understand more about the religion of Islam and why the fundamentalists are doing what they are doing.

Salaam,

I am a White Irish Muslim revert. I used to be Christian. I know terrorism. It came to Ireland using Christianity and Protestantism as a pretext for bloody mayhem and violence.
The acts carried out by some of those terrorists are more gruesome than even a beheading.
The 'Shankill butchers' Slowly skinned (That is peeled the skin off a man) a Man as we screamed in agony. This was done for their Protestant God.

Since I haven't read the Quran I can't speak about it. Although I don't understand what kind of God would praise those comitting cold blooded murder. This is seen across the globe. From the smallest of countries to the largest.

Allah does not, does NOT, praise any Human. It is our duty to praise him, for everything.
Allah will judge us, and if we are to murder one man it will be judged that we have murdered all of humanity. Allah is the fairest of judges, and if we sincerely repent for our sins and seek refuge in Allah we are to be forgiven.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding the founder of Islam, would go around and tell people to convert to Islam or they'd be killed. Thus creating a strong following and a new religion. IF I AM RIGHT on this then the religion of Islam has always been and always will be a violent religion and bane on human society.

You are not right. Islam spread because of it's message. No one threatened to kill me when I became islamic, and I fnd that idea rather insulting, in all honesty.
The Prophet (SAW) and the Companions spread their religion by their actions, words and deeds. They Suffered, many of the early companions, including the Prophets (SAW) wife, died due to malnutrition and starvation when the early group of Muslims were ostrasized. Many other early Muslims were tortured. Boulders placed on their stomachs as they were left in the desert, Boiling lead was poured down their throats, they were fired at using arrows as a sport. But their suffering did not convert people.
The message of Islam, of one God having no Equals or partners, of a Life beyond this, of a Life of meaning, reason and Purpose, all this and so much more led to the spread of Islam in the time of the Prophets. Also the Qur'an itself, a miracle which exists in its original form to this day.
The signs given by Allah, such as the Splitting of the Moon.

There are so many reasons why Islam spread, and continues to spread, and it has nothing to do with violence.

By now you are all fuming mad at this "infadels" posting. HAHAHAHA...to bad I've seen what you all post and am simply turning the tables so to speak.

Err.. i'm not mad.

'Infidel', by the way, was a Christian term. The Muslim Equivilent is Kuffr.

Finally I can't understand the extreme Islamics out there. These groups and people like Bin Laden, use religion warping it to try and accomplish their political means. They don't care about the idiot who blows him/her self up in a car or bus. They are expendable to these leaders. Nothing but worthless human material.
I would agree, to a degree. But We need to address what sort of conditions that would lead to a Man or a woman despairing so much that they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, take their own lives, in killing their percieved enemies.


This is all really quite a shame as the middle east has some unique architechture and a very interesting culture. Unfourtunatly it is all being overshadowed by current world events.

Peace out and prosper

The reasons for this have far more to do with the end of the two world wars than with Islam, I'm hoping you are aware of this.
I'm also hoping you realise that the vast majority of Muslims live outside the Middle East, and are non-Arab.

Allah hafiz.

[gag order]

despite all the bad press and people trying to find fault with islam and muslims, i would like to announce a new shahada in east london today which i heard over the masjid transmitters.

i know a kafir who says america deserved 9/11 and is very defensive against snide spiteful and sarcastic remarks made against islam and muslims and hes not even a muslim yet!
please pray for him so he overcomes his familiy's emotional blackmail and takes his shahada ameen!

he told me that his interest in islam came about because of 9/11 and the war on terror.
this reminds me of the british journalist yvonne ridley who converted to islam after encountering "militant fndamentalist islam" of the taliban. she promised the taliban that she will study islam if they let her go! so they let her go alhamdulillah!

THE TRUTH IS KAFIRS JUST CANT TAKE IT WHEN MUSLIMS FIGHT BACK! AND EVEN THOUGH THEY COMMIT THE SO CALLED "ATROCITIES" THEY STILL GET CONVERTS - ALLAHU AKBAR

[Sayf]

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[US infadel]

Thank you for your replies... and no I am not being emotional, I am simply asking questions which none of you are really answering. Although it's understandable as it's not a black or white answer that can be given.

Sayf...You claim that I didn't care about Iraq until 9/11. You are wrong. I cared and I've wanted to see Sadaam dethroned for years. Unfortunatly I was in 5th grade during the 1st. Gulf War. And yes after 9/11 I went to enlist in the military although 9/11 had no impact on my wanting to enlist. But even still you said that I or America didn't care. So what about YOU? What did you do? What did the middle east do? What did the world do? Nothing. Now he's gone and whatever happens has got to be better than when he was in power.

I NEVER thought we'd leave....but I think that's what the insurgents believe. You wrote that you want us to retreat from the Islamic world. well if we left today what would that mean for the people of Iraq? And don't bring religion into the argument. The allied powers took out a ruthless dictactor and honestly it was too long in coming. Now that he's gone we owe it to the people of that country to help them rebuild and get back on their feet. If this upsets you then too bad.

Gag order... I feel sorry for your friend. Those that died on 9/11...what did they do to the Muslims that killed them? If these people want us to take them seriously then they should organize themselves and work with their governments. Make the change from within. Be civilized in dealing with others. Go to the UN and speak to the world. Violence solves nothing and as we are all seeing just causes more. I guess that's karma. What goes around comes around. But that's the problem with you folkes. I know that you all don't like some of our foriegn policies. You don't like the spread of our culture. But this is the world you live in. If you don't like something go to the government get problems worked out in a civilzed manner. If you don't then you will not be taken seriously. Look at it from my point of view. Islamic terrorists kill innocent men, women and children that have nothing to do with; or can't change the problems which these people have with the western world. How can I help but not to despise these cold blooded murders?

For Yvonne Ridley.. the choice was convert or die? Oh what a choice, how caring and loving the taliban are.

To Usayd Salah...Yes we do need to address why someone would want to kill him or her self in the name of religion. This is not an easy question to answer. My feeling is that it is in part a strong religious belief, a cult following, brainwashing, as well as bad living conditions or foriegn policies that they do not agree with. Unfortunatly they end their lives without trying to accomplish their goals through other means. Violence is their choice.

Again, I'm just asking why fanaticism seems to be so rampant in your religion. Why do people convert to acts of murder? Yes, I know that there are other groups like the KKK and IRA out there that are radicals too. But My question relates to why most terrorists that I hear about on the news are Islamic. Can anyone answer this question? That is all I want to know more about. I also know that there are many many peacful and caring Muslims in the world and that the people I am referring to are only a small radical group. So I have no qualms against you or anyones religion or beliefs. I 'm just trying to get a better grasp on where you all are coming from. What's the beef?

Thanks

[gag order]

on the contrary yvonne ridley converted on her return to england therefore she was not forced. the example and treatment of the taliban was enough for her to decide islam was the truth! try to keep up with the news! even if she was forced why doesnt she leave islam now? take your time when posting becos you really do need to THINK first!

feel sorry for yourself that you are so deluded and naive about your faith in the UN and working peacefully from within may be you should preach this to george bush about bieng civilised and that violence never solves anything. and besides if violence never solves anything why enlist ??? THINK before you post! like i said before kafirs just cant take it when muslims fight back and give them a taste of their own medicine ie collateral damage otherwise known as terrorism.

and you want to know why most terrorists you hear about on the news are islamic?

this question would be better answered by the BBC or CNN or fox news not this forum.

however if you want to know where we are all coming from then ask us about belief in allah and his messengers and the last day!

[Sayf]

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[jabaraltariq]

Thank you for your replies... and no I am not being emotional, I am simply asking questions which none of you are really answering. Although it's understandable as it's not a black or white answer that can be given.

Sayf...You claim that I didn't care about Iraq until 9/11. You are wrong. I cared and I've wanted to see Sadaam dethroned for years. Unfortunatly I was in 5th grade during the 1st. Gulf War. And yes after 9/11 I went to enlist in the military although 9/11 had no impact on my wanting to enlist. But even still you said that I or America didn't care. So what about YOU? What did you do? What did the middle east do? What did the world do? Nothing. Now he's gone and whatever happens has got to be better than when he was in power.

I NEVER thought we'd leave....but I think that's what the insurgents believe. You wrote that you want us to retreat from the Islamic world. well if we left today what would that mean for the people of Iraq? And don't bring religion into the argument. The allied powers took out a ruthless dictactor and honestly it was too long in coming. Now that he's gone we owe it to the people of that country to help them rebuild and get back on their feet. If this upsets you then too bad.

Gag order... I feel sorry for your friend. Those that died on 9/11...what did they do to the Muslims that killed them? If these people want us to take them seriously then they should organize themselves and work with their governments. Make the change from within. Be civilized in dealing with others. Go to the UN and speak to the world. Violence solves nothing and as we are all seeing just causes more. I guess that's karma. What goes around comes around. But that's the problem with you folkes. I know that you all don't like some of our foriegn policies. You don't like the spread of our culture. But this is the world you live in. If you don't like something go to the government get problems worked out in a civilzed manner. If you don't then you will not be taken seriously. Look at it from my point of view. Islamic terrorists kill innocent men, women and children that have nothing to do with; or can't change the problems which these people have with the western world. How can I help but not to despise these cold blooded murders?

For Yvonne Ridley.. the choice was convert or die? Oh what a choice, how caring and loving the taliban are.

To Usayd Salah...Yes we do need to address why someone would want to kill him or her self in the name of religion. This is not an easy question to answer. My feeling is that it is in part a strong religious belief, a cult following, brainwashing, as well as bad living conditions or foriegn policies that they do not agree with. Unfortunatly they end their lives without trying to accomplish their goals through other means. Violence is their choice.

Again, I'm just asking why fanaticism seems to be so rampant in your religion. Why do people convert to acts of murder? Yes, I know that there are other groups like the KKK and IRA out there that are radicals too. But My question relates to why most terrorists that I hear about on the news are Islamic. Can anyone answer this question? That is all I want to know more about. I also know that there are many many peacful and caring Muslims in the world and that the people I am referring to are only a small radical group. So I have no qualms against you or anyones religion or beliefs. I 'm just trying to get a better grasp on where you all are coming from. What's the beef?

Thanks

Hello

Hope you are well. I was very pleased to read your initial post but unfortunately, I am now very saddened to read the post above.

You see, in theory, what you say seems ok when you are talking about the polical and social dynamics of the west.

Please forgive me again, but it is very different for the Muslims living in their countries.

To explain this, I need you to imagine that you are an Arab muslim living in Saudi Arabia 20 years ago. You want to practice Islam the way Quran and sunnah instructs you to practice it. This means applying Islam in all areas of life including social, political and private. There is a big problem though, there is monarchy in Saudi Arabia that does not fully implement the shariah. If you oppose this ragime, you would be treated very harshly and maybe imprisoned. There is no way of changing the regime. Do you know why? Because America is backing this regime and giving them protection.

Now you watch the news and see what Saddam Hussein is doing in Iraq. Iraq is having a war against Iran. Guess what? The US is supporting Saddam Hussein too with wepons.

Now you watch the news and see a war raging in Afghanistan. The war is now against the Russians who have settled in Afghanistan. The US is openly supporting the Mujahideen against the Rassians.

Now you watch the news and see Palestine. The Palestinian houses are being demolished and new "Israeli" settlements are being built. Many Palestinians are being harassed, killed and imprisoned. You see that USA is openly supporting Israel and selling them wepons.

20 years later:

The Saudi Ragime is still there. Dialogue is not working. Many of your friends have gone missing and are being abused in the prisons of Saudi. The thousands of American troops still remain in the most holiest of Muslim lands. The US is still supporting Saudi but the relationship is not as tight. But saying that, the US would never let an anti Saud person get into power.

In Iraq, the guy US provided with the material for wepons of mass distruction is now the enemy of the US. Iraqis now need to be liberated. So Saddam is now removed. But the people want to implement Shariah. The US says "NO!!!". "You must have a democratic leader which we have chosen for you". "No Islamists please," they say.

In Afghanistan, the same mujahideen that were supported for 10 years are seen as the enemy now. Those mujahideen have established an Islamic government. This is a threat to the US, so it must be removed. It is removed. Now there is chaos in Afghanistan.

In Palestine, nothing has changed.

The British left Kashmir in "a legal limbo" for the Indians and the Pakistainis to fight over. The muslims are being killed everyday. Our sisters are being raped everyday by the hundreds of thousands of Indian troops stationed in Kashmir.

In Chechnia, 10% of the population no longer exists because they have been killed by the Russian Soldiers.

I can go on and on and on............................

Here is the problem. We as muslims have a completely different socio-polical way of thinking. We are not secular. We are muslims. We also love peace. No one is willing to listen to peace. If we implement Islamic Shariah, we get bombed to death by countries like US. The US WILL NEVER LET AN ISLAMIC STATE that implements Shariah, TO EXIST. The US only wants puppet leaders like Karzai, King Fahad and Allawi.

i hope I made sense. Forgive me if I sounded rude or offensive.

Thanks again for your interest in Islam. I hope you checked out those links that I gave you.

What do you think about my thoughts above? What would you do if you were in a muslim's shoe?

What do you suggest a Palestianian do? This Palestinian used to live in a land which is no longer considered Palestine. There are now Israeli settlements there. He is now a refugee in Jenin. What should he do? The refugee camps get raided every now and then. The US made F-16 bombers scream ahead as they target people walking in the streets and driving in their cars. What should he do? No one is listening to his peaceful demonstrations and his video documentaries. Actually people are listening , but people can't do anything because of the support of Israel by the US. The US seems to be one sided. They seem to be blind to the oppression faced by the Palestinians. Yet they do everything to publicise every frown that an Israeli gets. What should that Palestinian do?

It is so frustating! People in the US don't seem to understand or have a clue about what's really going on around the world. The people in other parts of the world do not have such a comfortable life. Everyday is a struggle. Not just for their lives, but also for their religion, their culture and their honour. They have to protect their way of life also. They love the way they are. They are being forced to accept alien concepts which go against their beliefs.

I appologise for such a long mail. Sorry about the typos also.

Hope to hear from you soon. Please do not be offended by my post. I am sorry if I have done so.

Thanks again

Take care

Peace

[gag order]

its worse than that, 30% of the chechen population has been killed,

innalillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun

us infidel just as bush was ""justified"" in retaliating for 9/11 so to the chechens perfectly JUSTIFIED in killing as many russians as possible do you follow the logic and reasoning ?

i ask you again if violence never solves anything why enlist? what a dilemma you have placed yourself in but then again im not surprised by the prejudice and lop sided double standards and hypocrisy of the infidels.

[US infadel]

Gag order- You'er pretty unbiased and one sided yourself. My enlisting had nothing to do with you your religion or terroist groups. Although if given the chance I would have loved to be in Iraq with my countrymen liberating a country ruled by a ruthless man. And it has nothing to do with religion. But everything to do with what is right and just.

Jabaraltariq...I alway appriciate your posts. And again no, I am not offended. Yes I did check out some of those websites. They were informative about your religion. Yes I do understand where you are coming from. Everything you said is sadly true. Although someone posted a message saying that the majority of Muslims live outside the middle east. If this is true again why resort to violence. Instead resort to the government. I know there is a large amount of Muslims in Europe, and the US.

I know some of you think that is useless but then you try again and again until something happens. I also am getting the sense that a lot of animosity is against the US and that we are unjustified in what we are doing. But the simple fact is that the terrorists which attacked on 9/11 were members of Alqida (typo) Muslim terrrorists that killed thousands which have nothing to do with their(terrorists) missplaced anger. They attacked a country and are getting a countries scorn.

The way many Americans see it is that terrorists attacked OUR country. Nothing short of war could be expected by anyone. I am sorry that people of your faith have suffered so much and for the other injustices which you have or are suffering, although if you want a change I still believe in doing it in a rational, civilized manner. This is how governments work and how things can get changed.

What is happening in Isreal is not right. The land belongs to the Palestineans I have thought this for a while. And my reasoning has nothing to do with religion. Puppet governments are not jstified or right either. This has been shown over time. Hopefully in time this can be changed. As far as who is friend today and foe tomorrow well that is more complex than I can answer.

Again thanks for your replies.

[jabaraltariq]

Jabaraltariq...I alway appriciate your posts. And again no, I am not offended. Yes I did check out some of those websites. They were informative about your religion. Yes I do understand where you are coming from. Everything you said is sadly true. Although someone posted a message saying that the majority of Muslims live outside the middle east. If this is true again why resort to violence. Instead resort to the government. I know there is a large amount of Muslims in Europe, and the US.

Thank you for your kind words. May Allah show you the truth about Islam.
The word "Islam" originates from a the root word s-l-m, which means peace. When muslims meet each other, they say "Assalamy alaikum", which means "Peace be upon You".

Islam means complete submission to the will of Allah. Every time we remember Allah, the Creator, The One, The Eternal, The King, The First, The Last, we attain peace in our hearts. Everything we do in life is according to the way Allah has prescribed for us (Shariah) in the Quran and the Sunnah [the example of the messenger]. At first, this seems a little extreme. But once the things in the universe, like the sun, the moon, stars, planets are looked at, we see that they are also following a set of laws. They do not disobey those laws. The earth orbits the sun, none of the satellites outrun each other. The same can be seen within Earth. The water cycle, the sea, the plants, the animals. All the the things in the universe fit in and follow a set of laws. Allah tells us in the Quran that our purpose is to Worship Him alone.




I know some of you think that is useless but then you try again and again until something happens. I also am getting the sense that a lot of animosity is against the US and that we are unjustified in what we are doing. But the simple fact is that the terrorists which attacked on 9/11 were members of Alqida (typo) Muslim terrrorists that killed thousands which have nothing to do with their(terrorists) missplaced anger. They attacked a country and are getting a countries scorn.

The way many Americans see it is that terrorists attacked OUR country. Nothing short of war could be expected by anyone.

The thing is that the muslims have tried and tried. The problem is that those governments do not represent the muslims. They only care for themselves and their huge extended family members. They are like the kings that used to rule much of Europe in the middle ages, the only difference is that they have spies everywhere. They call them agents. These rulers are also unfortunately supported by America. These rulers will never listen because they know that if they rule using the Shariah, they will lose their power. The Shariah considers all the people to be the same. There is no hierarchy [spelling] in Islam. The best person is the one who is aware of Allah the most. This knowledge is with Allah. So can understand why some muslims might get frustrated.

You said that terrorists attacked your country so you do not see nothing short of war. You see, the people that attacked you, thought the same way. America has been attacking other countries for decades. They also put sanctions on many countries. They supported VERY oppressive regimes, and still do. Violence begets violence. America's approach abroad is very harsh. The soldiers do not seem to show any respect to the culture and dignity of the countries they are occupying. Please do not be offended. I know there are many good and honourable people in the US. Most of the soldiers lack those good characteristics.

I am sorry that people of your faith have suffered so much and for the other injustices which you have or are suffering, although if you want a change I still believe in doing it in a rational, civilized manner. This is how governments work and how things can get changed.

What is happening in Isreal is not right. The land belongs to the Palestineans I have thought this for a while. And my reasoning has nothing to do with religion. Puppet governments are not jstified or right either. This has been shown over time. Hopefully in time this can be changed. As far as who is friend today and foe tomorrow well that is more complex than I can answer.

Again thanks for your replies.

Don't be sorry. As muslims, we believe that Allah is punishing us and purifying us from our sins that we have commited. We are suffering because of what our own hands have brought us. Allah is oft forgiving, Most Merciful. Many muslims do not practice Islam or know much about Islam. Those in authority in the muslim lands do not know about Islam.

Thanks for saying what is in your heart. Surely, truth is clear from falsehood. The tool for determining the truth is knowledege. I hope Allah shows you the light of Islam. I hope Allah makes you remember Him and ponder His signs.

Below is a link to another website that I forgot to give to you. Please investigate it:

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/

There are free videos and audios you can watch. I think there is also stuff on terrorism also.

Take care.

Yahdikumullah [May Allah's guidance be with you.]

[gag order]

your enlisting it has everything to do with religion why else would you be posting here on ISLAMIC AWAKENING a religious website.

the US military is using the war on islamic terror as a recruiting call, (yes sometimes i do watch CNN) thank allah that you are not in iraq and that you are here on this forum wanting to discuss islam. you are here for a reason.

MAY ALLAH GRANT YOU GUIDANCE

AMEEN

[Samira]

To Usayd Salah...Yes we do need to address why someone would want to kill him or her self in the name of religion.

Just for the record, his name is actually Usayd Salahuddin, he just doesn't know how to spell it, but his first name is just Usayd.

[endeavor]

Hello,

I found a link to this site from What Really Happened. The link was an article discussing the effects of the horrible sanctions against Iraq during the Clinton years.

I'm from the US and not a practicer of religion, tho I was born a Catholic and went thru catachism, and shortly after my first communion, my older sister "indoctrinated" me into the realm of Jehovah's Witnesses. I was basically scared into adopting this way of life when I was 8, with the threat of dying in Armageddon if I didn't convert looming over my head. When I turned 13, I made the decision to leave this religion as well. Since then, I've not practiced any formal religion, and I'm now 42. I'm not really sure where I stand on the issue of worship. I've learned (history of all major religions), experienced and witnessed enough conflict over God. I truly respect any person whether they be Islamic, Jewish or Christian, who is a true humanitarian, and who tries to live their life to promote humanity through their religion. However I do feel religious leaders are, unfortunately, susceptible to corruption.

I signed up with this forum with the hope of gaining a better understanding of Islam. I truly believe the vast majority of those practicing Islam are peaceful. I believe a large number of the American people believe all Muslims are fanatics, thanks to an extremely biased national media, and an adminitration which essentially equates terrorism with Islam.

Jabaraltariq, your post in response to US Infidel is what prompted me to join this discussion. Americans have so many misconceptions because the media focuses on the acts of a very few. Also the major US media outlets are not the the most accurate historians. Thank you for the time you took to help those who are uninformed see another perspective.

Peace to all

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As-salaam wa alaikum wa Rahmatullah to all the Muslim Brothers and sisters.

bismillahir rahmanir raheem.

hope everyone in this forum is in good health and eeman insha'Allahu ta'la and that Allahu ta'la guides those into the fold of islam who have not tasted its fruits as yet.

my reason for posting in this thread is only to give naseehah to my brothers and sisters insha'Allahu ta'la, as the thread may have become old, maybe those who might read it later may come across my words. insha'Allahu ta'la

first of all, i was pleased to see the responses of brother jabaraltariq, which showed the patient, noble character of the Muslim Masha'Allahu ta'la. As for my other brothers and sisters, i respect their attitudes as it is justified.
the US and Allied Media have done great injustice to many people residing in the US who unfortunatley take the fabrications and news spinning as facts. their bias against the arabs and Muslims have sparked animosity and hatred in the hearts of many US citizens. we are many a times abused by people who use the internet and chat forums to take their aggression and prejudice out. ive been involved in many debates where people say they are just asking questions, but when u give them the facts they reject everything and reveal their true intents by slandering everyone- im not saying that 'US infadel' or anyone else has the same motives, but their views are so similar to the many narrow minded views u get even in the mainstream western media.

there are so many points i could make but ill just stick to a few to keep this short.
firstly/ 'US infadel' asked why the muslims didnt do anything with saddam. the answer is they did.. but CNN or ABC etc do not report the other side of affairs, after all if the general public were to know the muslims throughout HISTORY have been debating, arguing, advising, and as last resorts physically repelling leaders they are not happy with, Bush Administration would not have been able to go into an unjustified war. there are TOO many facts of history people in the US dont know, and would feel edgy if they were mentioned, making discussion on this topic near to impossible.
great ulama and shaiyukhs were slaughtered due their strong opposition of tyrannical, sectarian and secular leaders. many muslims who opposed them with their tongues were and have always been locked away in prison never to be seen by their families again, and those that fought them were branded as 'terrorists' to instil fear in the naive masses and blind people from the truth. the US government put saddam, the taliban and other mid eastern governments in their seats- this was when they were of use to the US. the problem is that Muslims (or any human who believes in freedom of the individual) will never let anyone other than Allahu ta'la dictate their lives. whether they are backed by 'superpowers' or not. Muslim means one who 'submits completely to the will of allahu ta'la'. And our Lord, the most high, does not permit us to bow our heads to any created being, or let ourselves become terrorised and victimised.

putting aside NBC CNN ABC DEFG! and all others! what is the difference bewteen those that are fighting the Muslims in their lands, and those that are fighting for the muslims?
why is it an atrocity when a man pushed to the edge by people who have attacked him and his bretheren because they just wanted to practise their faith, bombs the oppressors and those that support them? what makes these atrocities compared to two soldiers dropping misiles down on a party of people in a war stricken country regardless of whether there is a wedding party taking place, or when soldiers take innocent iraqi girls and women into prison cells and sexually abuse them? or does atrocity in American mean when American's and their allies are Affected? ok, what about completely destroying a city in an invaded country, which is fighting back for their raped daughters, and slaughtered sons?

'one mans terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'

May Allahu ta'la give victory to those that fight in His path. Ameen.

the answer why we fight, is because we are a persevering nation. Alhamdulillah.

id like to add to my brothers and sisters to be patient with people, as the ones who have Sabr are the ones who succeed. You cannot blame someone for something they do not know, what is better is to firgive them for their ignorance and provide them with the haqq.
id also like to ask anyone who is offended by what i have said for forgiveness, as the intention is anything but to offend.

May Allahu ta'la rid the Ummah of sectarianism and bring our hearts and minds to His perfect guidance: Al-Quran Wal Sunnah. May He Azza wa Ja'al guide each and every one of us. Insha'Allahu ta'la Ameen!

Was-salaam wa alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barajathu.