On Saying So and So is Shaheed + Sayyid Qutb

[abu-musa_al-leeby]

ya aba zubair it isnt permissible to bear witness that anyone from this ummah is in jannah except with a nass(clear text) and calling sayyid qutb and 'abdullah 'azzaam shaheed is indeed bearing witness that they are in jannah.Refer to kitaabul-jaana'iz in saheehul-bukhaari in the chapter"la yuqaalu fulaan shaheed"I also advise you not to use photographs unless there is a need to do so.You displaying sayyid qutb's picture(a clean shaven man with a suit)is unecessary and is only an indication of your ta'asub to him.wallahu a'lam


wassalaamu alaikum

[Abuz Zubair]

ya aba zubair it isnt permissible to bear witness that anyone from this ummah is in jannah except with a nass(clear text) and calling sayyid qutb and 'abdullah 'azzaam shaheed is indeed bearing witness that they are in jannah.Refer to kitaabul-jaana'iz in saheehul-bukhaari in the chapter"la yuqaalu fulaan shaheed"

I dealt with this issue a long time ago, which you can read by clicking the following link.
http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=1053

However, in addition to that, many scholars from the Salaf hold the opinion that it is permissible to bear witness for someone that he is in paradise, if the believers bear witness to it, due to the Hadeeth of Anas, that once a funeral passed by the companions of the Prophet and they praised the dead, so the Prophet said: "Wajabat" (it has become obligatory). Then another funeral passed by and they disparaged it, so the Prophet said: "Wajabat". Upon being asked what he meant by "Wajabat", he – SallAllahu aliahi wasallam replied: As for the first one, then you praised him, so Paradise is guaranteed for him, and as for the second one, then you disparaged him, so Hellfire becomes guaranteed for him. You are the witnesses of Allah on this earth". (al-Bukhari Kitab al-Janaiz).

Abu Thawr used to bear witness for Ahmad ibn Hanbal that he is in Paradise, and this is the correct opinion according to Ibn Taymiyah.

I also advise you not to use photographs unless there is a need to do so.You displaying sayyid qutb's picture(a clean shaven man with a suit)is unecessary and is only an indication of your ta'asub to him.wallahu a'lam

The Photograph issue is a matter of disagreement amongst the scholars of Najd, let alone other scholars from Malaysia/Indonesia to North America. Those from the scholars of Najd who permit Photographs in essence, restrict its permissibility/prohibition to secondary issues, such as whether it is used for Halal or Haram means.

And if this indicates my Ta'assub to Sayyid Qutb to some, so be it. I have hardly read much of his writings except what is usually quoted in his support or refutation. The man, however, is an icon of the struggle between truth and falsehood in our age, and no doubt one of the modern heroes and a role model in many ways. His Tafseer is held in much regard by Muslim scholars throughout the Muslim world. True, he is clean shaven, which is disobedience to Allah, however, no scholar is free of deficiency and errors, including Sayyid. As for him wearing a suit, I don't see anything wrong with that. In fact, this is the dress code of many nations around the world, including us in Britain.

wasalam

[abu-musa_al-leeby]

as-salaamu alaikum



as for the hadeeth then this was in the presence of the messenger(alaihisalam) where he could correct them if they were wrong but now that we have no wahee we cannnot say for sure that fulaan is the hell-fire or jannah!As for the athar of abu thawr then this isnt a hujjah ya habeebi.As for sayyid qutb then i ask you ya aba zubair do you belive that he is in jannah???can you swear by allah that he is in jannah????you cant can you? because you know that it would be audacious to do so and in anycase this isnt from the 'aqeedah of ahlisunnah as was mentioned by imaam at-tahawee.The sahaabah were praised by allah and can bear witness that fulaan is in hell or paradise however we cannot.There is a fatwa by shaikh ibn uthaimeen in this issue which i can translate insha'alah to make things clear for you.As for the issue of the photograph then shaikh ibn uthaimeen mentioned in many of his fatawaa that it can only be used if there is a need to so.so what need is there to plaster a clean shaven man with suit and tie's picture at the end of all your posts????is that what you hope the shabaab of this ummah should look like?As for you saying that there are scholars in north america then i ask you where can we find these so-called scholars?????Unfortunately this word scholar has been used loosely.I remember when abu muntasir would call zarabozo a scholar and ali tameemi a scholar and ali tameemi would call abu munatsir a shaikh and it was laughable until people started to really believe it was true!anyway be careful on who you call a scholar.


wassalamu alaikum

[Abuz Zubair]

as-Salaamu 'Alaikum...

Apart from your baseless Ta'lilat where you have no predecessor, do you know of a scholar other than Sheikh Ibn Uthaimeen who held this opinion?

Yes, I know of Ibn Uthaimeen's comments in his book on Manahi al-Lafdhiya, his Sharh on Zad, as well as in his Fatawa. However, I do not know if any of the scholars has preceded him in this opinion.

Rather, vast majority of the scholars (if not all of them) allow one killed in the battle to be called a 'Shaheed'. Our books of history, authored by Sunni Imams such as al-Dhahabi, Ibn Katheer and others are filled with such expressions (as you probably know after reading my article).

Sheikh Ibn Baz was asked can we call a particular person killed in a battle a 'Shaheed', he permitted it and said: Anyone whom the Prophet named Shaheed, he has to be named Shaheed" (Raihat al-Misk, Qisat Shaheed 'Arabi p.6)

Moreover, the Tabweeb of Bukhari does not correspond to the Hadeeth he mentions in that chapter as Ibn 'Ashor states.

Please, do not try to explain away the Athaar and Akhbaar from the top of your head. Go and look into classical Shurooh. There is a lot more involved in this issue than just a statement of Ibn Uthaimeen who has no predecessor in this issue – to my knowledge.

wasalam

[gag order]

bro. abuz zubair you said:
"I have hardly read much of his writings"

if that is so, then i do not think you know enough about him to conclude that he:

"is an icon of the struggle between truth and falsehood in our age"

a jihadi commander of which there are many to choose from will fit that decription better than sayyid qutb sh. but then again it all depends on your affiliations i suppose?

you go on to say:
"no doubt one of the modern heroes and a role model in many ways".
not with a clean shaven face he is not!

bro you must be what they call a "qutubi"

[U_wot]

Historical references to the practices and actions of an individual are able to depict clearly what is, and what is not, " an icon of the struggle between truth******* falsehood."