New 'Becoming a Mujtahid' course!

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

Invitation to a course which has been running for up to 50 years!

Study a selection of intellectually stimulating books which will formulate in you tools which will enable one to process thought like a 'mujtahid'

Furthur in depth study of other secret materials as well as english translations of bidayatul-Mujtahid and Hisham kamali's book on usul al-fiqh will enable one to become deluded enouh to think he can perform Ijtihad!

Price? 10% of annual gross income (or whatever you can give)

Furthur details:

www.khilafah.com

[Hamza al-Yunaani]

Don't waste your time pointing fingers at others...

[abuzakarya]

As-salamu alaykum. I used to be in HT. We used to be told to pay 40% of our income to the Party.

[Samira]

Oh well I can think of others besides HT who indulge in DIY ijtihad (you know, the new discovery that we should in fact be praying with our hands on our chests!). All you need is fiqh as sunnah plus some works by albani and hey presto youre off and running.

Though to be honest I think it time to stop the petty squabbling. Do you not realise this is exactly what the kuffar want?

[terrorthreat]

http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?part=full&category=7&id=589 (http://www.islaam.net/main/display.php?part=full&category=7&id=589)

[Abu Nihla]

So what if you used to be told to pay 40% of you earnings? Other groups beg on peoples doors for contributions.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

So what if you used to be told to pay 40% of you earnings? Other groups beg on peoples doors for contributions.


do they come to the doors and sdemand 40% or do they ask to give what you can? (big difference!)

[Umm Ahmed]

So what if you used to be told to pay 40% of you earnings? Other groups beg on peoples doors for contributions.

That's opression

[Abuz Zubair]

Sorry if that sounds strange.... but what's wrong with giving 40% of your earnings to what you believe to be a good cause?

If tomorrow we were to establish a movement, it's ought to have some sort of financial backing to be able to survive, isn't it?

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

Sorry if that sounds strange.... but what's wrong with giving 40% of your earnings to what you believe to be a good cause?

If tomorrow we were to establish a movement, it's ought to have some sort of financial backing to be able to survive, isn't it?

if a man earns 100,000 a year as some shab do, 40% is not much compared to those who earn maybe 12,000 a year.

It shouldn't be set in such a manner that some people can't survive, i think abu zakarya couldn't afford to continue with al-Hizb and if one wants to give to a worthy cause why not do so according to one's capability?

Does ALLAH Ta'ala and his Rasul(saw) demand the Zakah from the muslims before or after their expenditure?

there is a difference between giving willingly and giving forcefully....thats the point.


wa ALLAHU A'lam

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

btw guys....what has the topic of money got to do with the fact ht shab think you can be mujtahid by reading their books with a bit of arabic on the side?

[Yasir]

btw guys....what has the topic of money got to do with the fact ht shab think you can be mujtahid by reading their books with a bit of arabic on the side?I think unfortunately you'll find it's not just HT'ers in that mindset... rather it's become common in most organisations and circles nowadays.

[umm_muthanna]

akhi abu imaan,

can you give me the link to that thread in which you talked about that "mujtahid" who couldn't tell the difference between male and female gender in arabic? didn't the "mujtahid" expose himself while speaking about the hadith, "laa yu'minu ahadukum hattaa yuhibbu li akheehe ma yuhibbu li nafsihi"?

jazaakAllah in advance,
wassalaam.

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

akhi abu imaan,

can you give me the link to that thread in which you talked about that "mujtahid" who couldn't tell the difference between male and female gender in arabic? didn't the "mujtahid" expose himself while speaking about the hadith, "laa yu'minu ahadukum hattaa yuhibbu li akheehe ma yuhibbu li nafsihi"?

jazaakAllah in advance,
wassalaam.

as-sallamu 'alaikum sister,

wa iyakee,

the actual quote from this so-called "mujtahid" was:



laa yuminu ahadakum hatta yuhibu li-akheehu maa yuhibu li-nafsiha



Now I am not fluent in arabic but this guy not only made a mistake with gender! But he doesn't even know the rule of idafa which is basic grammer and taught in the first few lessons of grammer!

Now if we translate what he said:

None of you truly believe until he loves for his(????) brother, what he loves for herself!!!!

Astagfirullah!

And do you know he translated it correctly!

Another? yes there are many!

The hadith "There is no salah for the one who doesn't recite al-fatiha....." ( i'm paraphrasing)

he said "There is no salah for the one who recites fatiha!" (li-man yaqara al-fatihatil-kitaab!)


And yes he translated it correctly!

www.inside-ht.com will be producing a rendition of the mistakes to display an example of the disgusting situation of these people who call to the youth as if they are people of knowledge, yet they can't even recite the sacred ahadith and the Qur'an correctly!

they then cuss other scholars like shaykh bin baz(rh) and shaykh ibn 'uthaymeen(rh) and say these people are not scholars to refer to because they don't forbid munkar! and if they are not capable of being scholars why do they seek the position? (yes this mujtahid said it in one one his talks we will reproduce, not specifically about the aforementioned scholars but generally)....yet who is he to complain?

wa ALLAHU Musta'an!

[ibnYaseen]

While it is true to say that it's not only HTers in this mindset, one has to pay particular notice to the kind of mindset HTites harbor to produce the audacity to think they can answer your most complex fiqhi question with the knowledge gained by learning from a trimmed bearded smoke-aholic mushriff who would define forbidding the evil and enjoining the good by standing for hours in the rain shouting at the wall of an embassy but would later go home and put the bollywood music channel on, invite his fellow HT homies and boogey on down till the late hours being dizzy due to the lack of oxygen in his brain due to the excessive indulgance in the sucking of a shisha pipe -- this being enjoining of good because "time was spent with brothers and that's rewardable".

my brother abu imaan an-nepalee could not have put it more correctly when he entitled this thread as "New 'Becoming a Mujtahid' course!" because even a shab who has studied for 3-6 months with the party will be running around his local community thinking he is capable of answering and discussing issues that are way out of his league. He won't actually be a mujtahid but you can rest assured that he'll certainly feel like he is a mujtahid.

This is a movement that is categorically corrupting our youth in a totally different way.

[Abu Nihla]

abu imaan anapalee, the self proclaimed shaykh of HT and distorter of facts. I have three advices for you.

1- Instead of registering in every forum you can find on the internet bashing HT i advice you to concetrate on calling people to Islam and teaching Muslims the correct methodology which is correct according to your understanding.

2- Instead of highliting childish and pathetic comments on HT i advice you to master one field of Islamic sciences like let's say for example Womens Fiqh and register in every forum and teach it so that it will benefit us and our wives insha-Allah.

3- Lastly regarding the topic of discussion, many people have translated and made lots of mistakes in the translations. Even Phd holders Salafis. It's pathetic that even you argue the same when you cannot even atempt to translate aqeeda-tahawiyya the first page.

Repent and Allah will bring for you what is correct insha-llah

[hussain]

as-sallamu 'alaikum sister,

wa iyakee,

the actual quote from this so-called "mujtahid" was:

laa yuminu ahadakum hatta yuhibu li-akheehu maa yuhibu li-nafsiha

Now I am not fluent in arabic but this guy not only made a mistake with gender! But he doesn't even know the rule of idafa which is basic grammer and taught in the first few lessons of grammer!

Now if we translate what he said:

None of you truly believe until he loves for his(????) brother, what he loves for herself!!!!

Astagfirullah!

And do you know he translated it correctly!

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't it be transliterated as:

La yuminu ahadukum hatta yuhibba li-akheehi ma yuhibbu li-nafsihi

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

abu imaan anapalee, the self proclaimed shaykh of HT and distorter of facts. I have three advices for you.

if i am a distorter of facts how come i have references and witnesses from within al-Hizb and outside for everything I say about your group of friends?

As for your name I proclaim for myself, yeah your shabab are actually looking into the stuff i've written alhamdulillah.

1- Instead of registering in every forum you can find on the internet bashing HT i advice you to concetrate on calling people to Islam and teaching Muslims the correct methodology which is correct according to your understanding.

I've signed up to forums ages ago and hardly discuss your irrelevant Hizb anymore, take this advise read the dates of the messages and if your actually capable of anwering anything then do so.

As for the actvities I'm involved in then yes I 've stopped "recruitment to i'tizal and smokig sheesha listening to belly flopping music or handing oout the same regurgitated "analysis" that has been stated for the past 50 years on a leaflet.
If you wanna discuss "method" why did you run away from the thread I strated months ago? your lost!

2- Instead of highliting childish and pathetic comments on HT i advice you to master one field of Islamic sciences like let's say for example Womens Fiqh and register in every forum and teach it so that it will benefit us and our wives insha-Allah.

why womens fiqh? are you considering wearing khimaar and jilbab and would like the ahkam related to it? or is it we see your hizb discussing the issue in U.K. about niqaab but we have stories of how senior members actually see niqaab as non-progressive in the west and how even some brother refuse to marry sisters with niqaab?

As for the comment, you should actually look at what has been said. Your fellow hizbites run around U.K and call someone who can't differentiate gender in the arabic language a "Mujtahid", ajeeb! i have even heard of a senior member in south london calling him a mujtahid mutlaq! we have people teaching youth that if they read bidayatul mujtahid and kamali's book on 'usul then they can become mujtahid (this is in the halaqat for nidhamul-Islam) or people thinking they can reach the level of "ijtihad" after 3 months of study or even 2 years of studying arabic!???! and you see me actually telling the people the pathetic state of affairs of your "revivalist" Hizb as childish? yes your lost! People who are brainwashed will always defend the indefensible.

you seem to be deeply concened with fiqh for women. is it because the shabab say to yo to watch porn because it is only an image or that you can look at as much os a woman as you like when you seek marriage that you have these concerns? or are you looking to kiss your non-mahram relative and non-relative because nabhani said they are following 'urf in this issue and you want to know about this?

3- Lastly regarding the topic of discussion, many people have translated and made lots of mistakes in the translations. Even Phd holders Salafis. It's pathetic that even you argue the same when you cannot even atempt to translate aqeeda-tahawiyya the first page.

lets get one thing straight. You haven't even heard the series of mistakes this person who clais ijtihad makes. apart for the 2 i mentioned you could write a book documenting the basic arabic mistakes, Secondly what is the situutation of a "mujtahid" who says one thing in arabic and then tranlates them differently in english while quoting Qur'an and ahadith! i should remind you the mistakes were initially highlighted by a beginner in arabic studies and taken to arabic students of knowledge who didn't know whether to laugh or cry. When Syed Adly accounte your fellow "mujtahid" at regents park mosque for (surprise surprise) misquoting The Qur'an, he was met with a barrage of attacks from the ht-ites like "what you doing for khilafah?" blah blah blah", yet for you these issues are trivial and I've seen your pathetic attempts to defend you hizb here and on clearguidance and yor nothing but a laughing stock. People see your posts and wonder if the shabab have given ypou their "halal" lsd/amphetamines to take prior to posting.

As for translating 'aqeedah tahawiyyah, there is a diference here. i don't claim to be a mujtahid so for me not to do a or b is of no concequence. and 'aqeedah tahawiyyah is a foreign text to you, and i don't think you can get a sharh by qadi abdul-jabbar al-mu'tazili, bashir al-mirisee, az-zamakhsharee, jahm bin safwaan, et al to give you and your group one which would be palatable to your tastes in 'aqeedah and it'S distortion to making everything under the sun-including the honour of the sahaaba(raa) an issue of ikhtilaf!

i can't translate the first page of 'aqeedah tahawiyyah....ok and what point is that making?

Repent and Allah will bring for you what is correct insha-llah

Alhamdulillah ALLAH Ta'ala guided me to Islam from Hinduism, then away from Hizb ut-Tahrir to the manhaj of the salaf and innsha'ALLAH to incorporate myself into the principles of the Sunni School of Imaam Ahmad(rahimahullah)
and I seek forgiveness always for the diisgusting acton of even being with the neo-mu'tazilah (ht) and will help all those muslims from pakistan, U.K., indonesia and other lands who ahve asked for some assistance to accept sunnism and reject your groups pathetic calls to dalalah! Alhamdulillah! Ameen!

[Abu Nihla]

What is evident from all your posts in every forum that i have found you in is that if you are a convert from hinduism to Islam then you still have the jahiliyyah in tarbiyyah that you brought from Hinduism with you into Islam not forgetting that alhamdulillah thanks for that convertion since it appears to be the correct move you have made in life.

Secondly, the last paragraph of my post was sincere advice that did not need a response expect amin since all of us Muslims should seek repentance. If you are told to fear Allah instead of going defensive it's best just to respond ' May Allah make us those who fear Him'. So even your refutation still shows the ignorance you have.

Another issue is that nothing you ever brought forward is new to the refuters of HT, They have been responded to since 1953 so you either accept them or deny them but the bottom-line is that all are Islamic opinions hence you cannot be forced to follow them.

The founder of HT was much learned than you not mentioning majority of the members we find people who are knowlegble than you, what makes you think that your pathetic rhetorics on sheesha and Music will make me abandon HT?

I have a Salafi wahabi friend who is also a Shaikh that i found making a copy of a pornographic moview, will i say that salafiyyah allows people to watch porn? Many listen to music, are clean shaven and wear latest designor made pants.

Even we had some who consider arabic music to be halal and english songs to be haram so do we say this wahabi, salafi, jihadis teach the towards that? Ofcouse not.

Enjoining good and forbidding evil is wajib upon every Muslim even if he is an Aaasi (sinner) so if i find a Muslim who does not pray in the month of Ramadhan it does not mean i won't tell him to pray? Same applies to if i was a prostitute my obligation of calling to islam is not lifted becouse am a prostitute.

So Abu imaan from nepal grow up and teach or invite fellow Hindus to Islam and that would be best for you

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

What is evident from all your posts in every forum that i have found you in is that if you are a convert from hinduism to Islam then you still have the jahiliyyah in tarbiyyah that you brought from Hinduism with you into Islam not forgetting that alhamdulillah thanks for that convertion since it appears to be the correct move you have made in life.

Secondly, the last paragraph of my post was sincere advice that did not need a response expect amin since all of us Muslims should seek repentance. If you are told to fear Allah instead of going defensive it's best just to respond ' May Allah make us those who fear Him'. So even your refutation still shows the ignorance you have.

Another issue is that nothing you ever brought forward is new to the refuters of HT, They have been responded to since 1953 so you either accept them or deny them but the bottom-line is that all are Islamic opinions hence you cannot be forced to follow them.

The founder of HT was much learned than you not mentioning majority of the members we find people who are knowlegble than you, what makes you think that your pathetic rhetorics on sheesha and Music will make me abandon HT?

I have a Salafi wahabi friend who is also a Shaikh that i found making a copy of a pornographic moview, will i say that salafiyyah allows people to watch porn? Many listen to music, are clean shaven and wear latest designor made pants.

Even we had some who consider arabic music to be halal and english songs to be haram so do we say this wahabi, salafi, jihadis teach the towards that? Ofcouse not.

Enjoining good and forbidding evil is wajib upon every Muslim even if he is an Aaasi (sinner) so if i find a Muslim who does not pray in the month of Ramadhan it does not mean i won't tell him to pray? Same applies to if i was a prostitute my obligation of calling to islam is not lifted becouse am a prostitute.

So Abu imaan from nepal grow up and teach or invite fellow Hindus to Islam and that would be best for you


i swear you not worth it man...get over it!

[Ummatun Wasata]

Another issue is that nothing you ever brought forward is new to the refuters of HT, They have been responded to since 1953 so you either accept them or deny them but the bottom-line is that all are Islamic opinions hence you cannot be forced to follow them.

Bring forth the refutation if you are truthful. Either you are blatantly lying or you high son, probably an overdose of nicotine or aftershave. The only subject the leather suit crew used to try and refute was the issue of Khabar al Ahad. When the issue of Mutawatir Manawi came into the equation it rocked you mans that you had to take some long hard pulls on your sheesha pipe and your still dizzy from the affects.

The founder of HT was much learned than you not mentioning majority of the members we find people who are knowlegble than you, what makes you think that your pathetic rhetorics on sheesha and Music will make me abandon HT?

Oh yeah? Let’s see what was he? :roll: Mujtahid in specific area, Mujatid mathahib or Mujtahid Mutlaq? And members.... oh yes I have to agree with you there. If I ever decided to shave I would go to some amongst your leather pants crew to ask what is the best Razor to use and maybe if I need to know how to get into the tightest jeans possible. You are right I must give credit where it is to be given and you would not be able to abandon Ht because you probably can’t see mans dressed in any other way.

I have a Salafi wahabi friend who is also a Shaikh that i found making a copy of a pornographic moview, will i say that salafiyyah allows people to watch porn? Many listen to music, are clean shaven and wear latest designor made pants.
This would just mean that you and your boys are rubbing off on them, and regarding the bro with porn you probably convinced of the opinion that you can watch porn as long you don't a 'woody' like your ‘knowledgeable’ members say.

Even we had some who consider arabic music to be halal and english songs to be haram so do we say this wahabi, salafi, jihadis teach the towards that? Ofcouse not. But in Hizbul chat S**t's case we could confidently say yes they do.

Enjoining good and forbidding evil is wajib upon every Muslim even if he is an Aaasi (sinner) so if i find a Muslim who does not pray in the month of Ramadhan it does not mean i won't tell him to pray? Same applies to if i was a prostitute my obligation of calling to islam is not lifted becouse am a prostitute.

So Abu imaan from nepal grow up and teach or invite fellow Hindus to Islam and that would be best for you

Listen son you go concentrate on your bwoys and tell them to grow there beards, wear baggy clothing, lay off the porn and tell them listening to tupac don't make them hard becuz him dead.
And abu Nihla stop wasting my brother abu iman's time, like I said get your own house in order before Criticizing my brother. If you can't refute him then put put a lid on it, please.

p.s how is the underwear business going? Just out of interest do you have any 'Y' fronts with a picture of superman on as I might some HT bro's interested?:lol:

[Abu Nihla]

Jundu Allah

A baby monkey can reason better than you. Like one Shaykh said in Egypt, what good has the people of Lihya brought? By the way I grow my beards, don’t watch porn, cut my trousers short, read books of Imam Abdulwahaab rahmaullah, don’t shake women’s hands, don’t listen to music, don’t smoke sheesha or any segarate, don’t talk lies, don’t belittle the mujahideen. My wife puts on niqaab and has a separate halaqa from fellow women, I enjoin good and forbid evil and yet I am proud to be a Muslim and a shaab of HT. I read from the adopted books and also non-adopted books from classical scholars. I HAVE Qur’an memorization program and inshallah wan’t to be an hafidh as my friend who is also a member of HT. Highly disciplined and productive in dawa’ah so who are you to tell lies since my mushrif told and taught me to be like that???

NB/ All that you got has been responded to. What has not been responded to are your childish and pathetic rhetorics. If you cannot understand anything from the responses pray to Allah to give you the tawfiq of deen insha-allah.

If you don't agree with the responses no problem, it's not a must for you to be a member of HT Just promote the correct understanding of Islam

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

I HAVE Qur’an memorization program and inshallah wan’t to be an hafidh

Asalam wa alayka

My advice to you is learn arabic while your memorising because when you have a grip of the grammer the ayaht link in your head a bit better, also try memorising a set number a day at the fajr time , because i found it to be an amazing time to memorise. After you memorise in the morning repeat the ayat wherever you go, walking, sitting , in the house etc ,and then repeat the ayahs before you go to bead.Remember never to go above/bellow your set number because you will get a bit of a habit going, now once you think your getting stronger increase your set number by a little at a time.

Golden rule: Repeat, Repeat , Repeat

Wa Tawfiq bilah

[Ummatun Wasata]

Jundu Allah

A baby monkey can reason better than you. Like one Shaykh said in Egypt, what good has the people of Lihya brought? By the way I grow my beards, don’t watch porn, cut my trousers short, read books of Imam Abdulwahaab rahmaullah, don’t shake women’s hands, don’t listen to music, don’t smoke sheesha or any segarate, don’t talk lies, don’t belittle the mujahideen. My wife puts on niqaab and has a separate halaqa from fellow women, I enjoin good and forbid evil and yet I am proud to be a Muslim and a shaab of HT. I read from the adopted books and also non-adopted books from classical scholars. I HAVE Qur’an memorization program and inshallah wan’t to be an hafidh as my friend who is also a member of HT. Highly disciplined and productive in dawa’ah so who are you to tell lies since my mushrif told and taught me to be like that???

NB/ All that you got has been responded to. What has not been responded to are your childish and pathetic rhetorics. If you cannot understand anything from the responses pray to Allah to give you the tawfiq of deen insha-allah.

If you don't agree with the responses no problem, it's not a must for you to be a member of HT Just promote the correct understanding of Islam

Hmmm... Baby monkey. Do have them in Halaqa too? Actually I remember one brother describing HT guys as 'leaflet monkeys' that would explain how you know the reasoning of monkeys. I can just imagine the indoctrination process.. "Cheata, what do you think of socialism? Actually lets discuss thinking, what does it mean to think, define thinking, what is the process of thinking. What is process? What does the word define mean?" blah blah blah.
If you do the things you mentioned above it probably to win people over, you can't afford to go against public opinion. I might have to re-read your post carefully aswell as you probably misleading somewhere in there, as you HT mans think it is permissible to mislead. You probably got it from your Shia'te brothers.
Sorry that's all the time I got for today Mutazillah boy.

p.s you didn't get back to regarding them superman 'y' fronts.:p

[Abu Nihla]

Jund Allah, Names will just be names nothing more. So call me muta'zilla, khawarij, devient, sect well no pain as long as i affirm to the truth while you waste time spreading lies.

The prophet says the person who lies is not one of us... so by creating Fitan you think you will lead people away from the truth? You are mistaken and infact you are assisting to advertise HT. Look at me, i never knew HT existed untill i came across the refuters of HT, After they fed me the lies, i on my own accord was interested to verify the issues from HT sources, after getting the local comittees chairman explain and provide evidence to me, i realised how sincere this group was and joined the Halaqas, upto now the refuters are still spreading their lies while HT is growing locally.

Well, my mushrif is even more adamant that i learn usool and perfect my memorisation and arabic and perfection of akhlaq. Nearly everytime we meet he stresses those issues.

He assists when am in need, provides spiritual naurishing, he grows beards, cut his trousers short, the wife wears Niqab and has separate Halaqas for women, does not smoke and openly condemn those who smoke, he enjoins good and forbid evil, gives lectures on all aspects of Islam, is well vast in Islamic studies and a lowyer by proffesion, reads lots of salafi books and well uses evidences when challanged.

So what you got more

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

jund-Ullah....leave it..its not really worth it.....believe me........

[Ummatun Wasata]

Jund Allah, Names will just be names nothing more. So call me muta'zilla, khawarij, devient, sect well no pain as long as i affirm to the truth while you waste time spreading lies.

The prophet says the person who lies is not one of us... so by creating Fitan you think you will lead people away from the truth? You are mistaken and infact you are assisting to advertise HT. Look at me, i never knew HT existed untill i came across the refuters of HT, After they fed me the lies, i on my own accord was interested to verify the issues from HT sources, after getting the local comittees chairman explain and provide evidence to me, i realised how sincere this group was and joined the Halaqas, upto now the refuters are still spreading their lies while HT is growing locally.

Well, my mushrif is even more adamant that i learn usool and perfect my memorisation and arabic and perfection of akhlaq. Nearly everytime we meet he stresses those issues.

He assists when am in need, provides spiritual naurishing, he grows beards, cut his trousers short, the wife wears Niqab and has separate Halaqas for women, does not smoke and openly condemn those who smoke, he enjoins good and forbid evil, gives lectures on all aspects of Islam, is well vast in Islamic studies and a lowyer by proffesion, reads lots of salafi books and well uses evidences when challanged.

So what you got more

Wallahi, what you describe is not HTB (Hizb-ut-Tahrir Britain). I was with HTB for about nine years. You don't tell me what HT is and is not. There have been some Salafi brothers who joined the Hizb but over time they to start to shorten the beard etc and then they have left again after the realization of the problems with HT. I have come across members from the Muslim world as well and know what they are about and their not as you describe.

You swear by Allah that I am spreading lies. Allah all mighty will account you for calling me a liar.

I would like to apologize for the way have been ridiculing you, however that’s the only approach I have for you HT's now, as I find your sincerity goes out of the window when it comes to HT being exposed and criticized. Anyone who analyses your posts can clearly see how you disregard everything mentioned or raised against them and try to portray them as something positive and justify everything that is bought forward against them. When I first left HT I would still defend and make excuses for them, even though allot of valid points were made about them. However over time I got sick of the arrogance of the HT mans and how they thought them selves superior to the Ummah and how they think them selves as the leaders of the Ummah, and how they looked down upon the Ummah and thinking that all knowledge is monopolized by them.

I have got better things to do than waste time with the likes of you. But I tell you what; if you’re going push me, this is what I am going do. If the Muslims on this forum want me to, I will start to compile an exposition of HT in detail and show the Muslims why HT is a danger to the development of a Muslims Tarabiyah and Deen.

I would not do this to prove anything to you, as like I said I don't think you want to follow the truth, as you deem HT to be the truth, whereas in reality they are upon falsehood.

But remember don't push your luck with me using HT tactics or I’ll resort to cussing you again.

Alhumdu'lilla I am well aware of what HT is about and their not just about what is in the books. I used to be like you thinking everything raised has been dealt with. However when I opened my heart to my Rabb Allah azawajal, he guided me Alhumdu'Lilla. That’s why the likes of brother Abu Imaan and myself are a threat to HT because we know first hand what HT are about. That’s why in Britain Ht shabaab have been told not to go and discuss on the forums, because more and more Muslims will come to realize the truth of HT.

If you’re so confident in the Hizb lets discuss the issues raised on many threads of this forums initiated by my brother Abu Imaan and others. It should not be a problem for you to refute these arguments as you are made to believe that these issues have been dealt with, otherwise be and let be and leave my fellow brothers and sisters alone.

Just to let you know I have been through all the channels with HT as a member. I went all the way to the top, to the leadership (Ata Abu Rishta & Co).

May Allah all mighty keep us steadfast upon the truth which was sent explained by his beloved Messenger Rasool Salallah’alaihi-Wasallam.

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[QUOTE=Jund Allah I was with HTB for about nine years. .[/QUOTE]

asalamu alaikum,

thats a long time, u must have benefited some?

ws

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As-salamu alaykum. Brothers, try and maintain some Islamic decorum. HT have a way of dragging everyone down to their level deep down in the gutter. I can totally understand your frustration Jund Allah because after you've banged your head against a brick wall you start t get a sore head. These HTites are a symptom of our ailing Ummah today. Insha'allah, when the Khilafah comes they will be rounded up and put in jail where they belong. That is if the Ummah doesn't lynch them by them. Go to the thread about the new Emirate of Iraq and you can see how they are once again speaking against the mujahideen.