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waziri
17th December 2006, 11:55 PM
Asalamualaykum,,

Just a short quote that we can all benefit from InshaAllah.

Beware of byzantine debate

I mean lame debate or that with little benifit, for the byzantines used to debate on the sex of the angels while the enemy was at the gates of their country, until they were defeated by them. Also , debated that has little benefit leads away from the path. the way of the salaf is to refrain from extensive dispute and argumentation, and that to indulge increasingly in it is a result of a deficiency in piety, as Al-Hasan Al-Basree said when he heard a group of people arguing:

" These people have become bored with worship, and speech has become light upon (their tongue), and their piety has decreased and that is why they speak."

( narrated by ahmad in as-zuhd and abu nu'aym in al-hilyah)


wasalam

abu_uzayr
18th December 2006, 06:22 PM
Jazakallah khair, so much wisdom in those words.

Suhaib Jobst
19th December 2006, 04:37 AM
Jazakallah Khair, excellent advice! I read that something similar occured when the Mongols were invading Baghdad during the Abbasid Khilafah (1258CE) - and this would no doubt show the influence of the Christians, upon the groups of Ahlul-Kalam and the philosophers - that their scholars were busy debating whether or not the flesh of the crow was halal.

Can anyone shed any light on such an issue, whether or not it really occured? Because I believe it can be an interesting account of Islamic history, i.e. to show the dangers which came with the widespread acceptance of the Ash'aree aqeedah and the books of the philosophers upon the ummah, both of which came largely through the medium of Christianity and the influence of the Byzantine Greek thought upon the "Islamic" philosophers.

And Allah (Subhanahu wa-Ta'ala) knows best.