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Madarijas-Salikeen
31st December 2006, 11:30 PM
وآل شيء ذآره العلماء بالفارسية من صفات الله تعالى عَزَّ اسمه فجائز القول به سوى اليد بالفارسية, ويجوز أن
يقال:بروى خداي عز وجل بلا تشبيه وآيفية.

88. Everything about the attributes of Allah Ta’ala, which the scholars quoted in the
Persian language may be mentioned [as such], with exception of Yad (which literally may
mean hand). It may be said "bro khodai” [which literally may mean the face of God,"] He
is exalted and glorified above the attributes of the creation, without likening Him to the
creation nor a “how” [modality].


He does not allow the translation of Yad into persian and the sharh of it also mentions spanish as another example because it becomes a limb.

And if we deny that Allah has a hand (flesh bone with nerves palm etc..) then what is the Hand we affirm for Allah and is our aqidah the same as abu hanifa?

Madarijas-Salikeen
31st December 2006, 11:41 PM
Constantly im told this has been discussed etc can i just get a straight easy answer since it seems its suppose to be easy so what hand (type since obviously we cant affirm hand that is of flesh bone nerves blood) then what exactly are we affirming for Allaah

Husain
1st January 2007, 10:09 AM
And if we deny that Allah has a hand (flesh bone with nerves palm etc..) then what is the Hand we affirm for Allah and is our aqidah the same as abu hanifa?
We affirm that Allaah has a hand, but we deny that this hand is like a human hand made of flesh, bones, etc., rather it is a hand that suits His Majesty. We do not say hand means something else (like qudrah or ni'mah) and we not delve into questions about the exact nature of His hand. It is that simple.

- Husain.

Abu Harun
17th January 2007, 03:45 PM
We affirm that Allaah has a hand, but we deny that this hand is like a human hand made of flesh, bones, etc., rather it is a hand that suits His Majesty. We do not say hand means something else (like qudrah or ni'mah) and we not delve into questions about the exact nature of His hand. It is that simple.

- Husain.
Salaam 'alaykum,

Yes, but what about the statement of abu Hanifah? He says that it is not permissible to translate Yad. Is this statement falsly ascribed to him, or does it contradict other statments, or what? Even if you affirm Yad as Hand without likening it to the creation, then abu Hanifah still seems to prohibit such a translation, am I right or wrong?

Wa salaam

Abu_Abdallah
17th January 2007, 04:03 PM
Salaam 'alaykum,

Yes, but what about the statement of abu Hanifah? He says that it is not permissible to translate Yad. Is this statement falsly ascribed to him, or does it contradict other statments, or what? Even if you affirm Yad as Hand without likening it to the creation, then abu Hanifah still seems to prohibit such a translation, am I right or wrong?

Wa salaam

al-Salamu 'alaikum,

Fiqh al-Akbar has not been authentically ascribed to Imam Abu Hanifah, and there are serious doubts about its contents. You might read something of that here: http://z3.invisionfree.com/sunnipress/index.php?showtopic=200

I don't believe that Imam Abu Hanifah forbade to translate 'Yad' into Hand, for if that was the case the early scholars in 'Aqidah of the Ahl al-Sunnah would have recorded that. There is also a reported agreement today that the Quran may be translated in any language, so this would include all of Allah's Names and Attributes. Beside, many scholars of the past allowed the Qur'an to be translated. And its even narrated, by Hanafites, that Imam Abu Hanifah allowed to a Musalli to recite the Qur'an in Persian if he is not able to know Arabic! So how can such a statement ascribed to this Imam, at a later stage, be correct?

wa-Allahu A'lam.

Abu Harun
17th January 2007, 04:58 PM
Wa 'alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaah,

BarakAllaahu feek agi Sharif_Abu_Jafar.

Wa salaam