What is your experience/knowledge of TJ

[Aburafay]

Assalamo Alaikum!

A group was started in India in 1926 with the apparent purpose of bringing back to the fold of Islam Muslims who had no knowledge of their responsibilities, and were surrounded by Hindus. The basic princip[le adopted by the founder of this group was to bring people to the mosque to pray.

If the intention was solely this, then the founder was probably doing good for the Ummah, but then the Jama'at became a major force in the world. Today it has followers in practically all the Hanafifollowing countries of the world. It is known as Tableeghi Jama'at.

I have had some experience with them, their teachings, their source of knowledge, and have certain questions about the hidden affects of this Jama'at.

I shall appreciate if my brothers and sisters who know about them could discuss them so that we could enlighten each other, and the less aware people about this Jama'at.

Wassalam

[Suhaib Jobst]

Here's an article I found on the subject:

The verdicts of Shaykh al-Khudhayr and al-Qaa'idah upon the TABLEEGHI JAMA'AT

1) The Mujaahid, Muwahhid, Prisoner of the Taaghoot, 'Alee ibn Khudhayr al-Khudhayr (may Allaah hasten his release from prison) said in the beginning of his explanation (sharh) named "al-Waseet: Sharh Awwal Risaalah fee Majmoo'ah at-Tawheed" which is originally by Imaam Muhammad ibn 'Abdil-Wahhaab (ra), printed in 1421:

Note: There are some new groups which also don't differentiate between the meanings of "Rabb" and "Ilaah". And they claim that "Laa Ilaah Illaa Allaah" means "Laa Rabb Illaa Allaah".
And this is the case with these present-day Ashaa'irah, and at this very moment with the modern-day grave-worshippers, and also the Soofiyyah, and also the Tableegh Jamaa'ah- none of them differentiate between the two words.

And if a person seeks to know if one of these (sects) differentiate between the words "Allaah" and "Rabb", then ask them regarding the meaning of "Laa Ilaah Illaa Allaah". So if they reply "Indeed Allaah is the only Sustainer and Creator" and stops here, then you already know that he has agreed with the foundation (asl) of the heretics. So ask him again, this time regarding the one who slaughters for other than Allaah- Does he become a kaafir or not? So if he is truly upon the foundation of the heretics, he will say, "Even if he slaughters for other than Allaah but still believes that Allaah is the only Creator and Sustainer, then he does not become a kaafir"- then know that he does not differentiate between "Rabb" and "Allaah".

2) The official web-site of al-Qaa'idah, which was run by Shaykh Yoosuf al-'Uyayree (ra, who was killed by the taaghoot sa'(yah)oodee regime in 2003), known as "The Center for Islaamic Studies and Research" (Markaz ad-Diraasaat wa al-Buhooth al-Islaamiyyah) compiled a book- "Tis'ah wa Thalaathoon Waseelah li-Khidmah al-Jihaad wa al-Mujaahideen fee Sabeelillaah" (Thirty-Nine Ways to Serve the Jihaad and Mujaahidoon in Allaah's Path).

Under "Service Number 29" entitled "Learning the Principles of Jihaad":
"And from the many ways to help the Mujaahideen is to learn the principles of Jihaad… And it is indeed very beneficial to have people to defend the Jihaad and Mujaahideen from the attacks of the munaafiqeen. And obviously, he who refutes with knowledge is not the same as he who refutes without knowledge…" And then the book goes on to list many books which should be read, regarding Tawheed, Taaghoot, Haakimiyyah, Shirk, Walaa and Baraa, hijrah, apostasy, Jihaad, fabricated man-made laws, nullifications of Islaam, kufr of helping against the Muslims, rulings on the jaasoos, martyrdom operations, releasing the captive mujaahideen, the history of jihad, crusades, Filasteen, virtues of martyrdom, khilaafah…

And then there is a special section of books regarding deviant sects. One book mentioned is by Shaykh Aboo Muhammad al-Maqdasee (may Allaah hasten his release from prison), "Tahdheer al-Bariyyah" which is regarding the deviancies of the sect of al-Madkhalee and al-Jaamee and their followers. And then the al-Qaa'idah book, in this same section, requests for the reading of the famous book, "al-Qowl al-Baleegh fee at-Tahdheer min Jamaa'ah at-Tableegh" (An Eloquent Statement of Warning Against the Tableegh Jamaa'ah), written by the Imaam Hammood at-Tuwayjiree (ra, he died about 11 years ago).

This was an Imaam, a great one indeed. He also wrote the famous book regarding Walaa and Baraa entitled, "Tuhfah al-Ikhwaan: fee Al-Muwaalaah wa al-Mu'aadaah wa al-Hubb al-Baghdh wa al-Hijraan" (A Gift to the Brothers regarding Friendship and Hostility, Love and Hatred, and Emigration). And this is also a book requested to be read by the al-Qaa'idah book.

The Imaam also said, "Seeking legislation from other than the Sharee'ah of Muhammad (saw) is the Farthest Misguidance and the Greatest Nifaaq… and the majority of those who turn away from the Sharee'ah of Muhammad (saw) in our age are… from the Tawaagheet who attach themselves to Islaam, but (in reality) they are disconnected from it." al-Eedhaah wat-Tabyeen limaa waqa'a feehi al-Aktharoon min Mushaabahah al-Mushrikeen pg. 28-29

And so this is the very same man who said regarding the Tableegh Jamaa'ah in his previously mentioned book "al-Qowl al-Baleegh":

"And verily the Pious Predecessors (al-Salaf al-Saalih) used warn from the heretics, and caution each other from them, and prohibit sitting with them, accompanying them, and listening to them; and they used to command forsaking them, enmity towards them, and hating them, and disassociating from them." (al-Qowl al-Baleegh: 31-33)

And then Imaam at-Tuwayjiree (ra) narrates what Aboo Daawood (ra) has said:
"I said to Ahmad ibn Hanbal, "I saw a man from the descendants of the Prophet (saw) along with a man from the heretics. Should the former one's words be thrown away?" He answered, "No. Rather, you should educate the one you saw with the heretic. So if he abandons the heretic (then that is better for him), and if not, let him be with him (for he is a heretic also). For Ibn Mas'ood (ra) had said, "A person is with his companion."- Recorded in Tabaaqaat al-Hanaabilah (1/160), and Manaaqib Ahmad of Ibn al-Jawzee (250).

And then Imaam at-Tuwayjiree (ra) comments upon this incident between Imaam Aboo Daawood (ra) and Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (ra), saying:

"And this narration from Imaam Ahmad should be applied to those who praise and defend the evil (baatil) of the Tableeghees. So the one knows that the Tableeghees are people of heresies, misguidance, and ignorance- and yet praises them and defends them, then he is one of them. Such a person should be dealt with the same way the Tableeghees should be dealt with, with hatred, abandonment, and rejection.
But as for the one who is ignorant regarding the situation of the Tableeghees, then their affairs should be clarified to him- how they are upon heresies, misguidance, and ignorance. But if he still doesn't stop praising them and defending them without clear knowledge of their state of affairs- then he is one of them, and should be dealt with the same way they are dealt with." (al-Qowl al-Baleegh: 230-231)

These sayings are directly from the book recommended by the al-Qaa'idah book. You could say that this book has been given "tazkiyyah" by the 'Ulamaa of al-Qaa'idah.

And since the al-Qaa'idah website was taken down by the yahoodee khinzeer, the book "39 Ways" has been replaced onto the website of Shaykh Aboo Muhammad al-Maqdasee (may Allaah hasten his release from prison), The Minbar of Tawheed and Jihaad (www.tawhed.ws ). So this also means that this book also has "tazkiyyah" from the Shaykh.

[abusufyaan]

Suffice yourself with the words of Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjri (rahimahullah) and other scholars who are senior in knowledge. Also, take notice that the method in which the article mentions Shaykh Hamood (rahimahullah) as if they are with him is stretching it quite a bit. I sincerely encourage you to refer to Thanaa'a al-A'immah an-Nubalaa' 'alaa Dawlah Aal Sa'ood al-Awfiyaa' ash-Sharifaa' (http://www.otiby.net/book/files/thana-alolama.doc) and similar works for the opinions of those who were closer to Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjiri in these issues and were his contemporaries, such as Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem, Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen, Shaykh Hammaad al-Ansaari, Shaykh 'Abdur-Razzaaq al-'Afeefi, Shaykh Ibraaheem ibn Muhammad Aal ash-Shaykh, and Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen ash-Shanqeeti (rahimahumullah). Also you will find the words of praise of those scholars who came before Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjri, such as Shaykh Sulaymaan ibn Sahmaan, for King 'Abdul-'Azeez (rahimahumullah).

And suffice yourself with those who are alive (may Allah protect and preserve them all) from al-Lajnah ad-Da'imah and others such as Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ibn 'Abdullaah al-'Aqeeli, Shaykh 'Abdur-Rahmaan al-Barraak, Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez ar-Raajhi, Shaykh 'Abdullaah ibn al-Jibreen, Shaykh Saalih Aal ash-Shaykh, Shaykh 'Abdullaah al-Ghudayaan, Shaykh 'Abdullaah al-Ghunaymaan, Shaykh Saalih al-Luhaydaan, Shaykh 'Abdullaah as-Sa'ad, Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd, Shaykh Muhammad al-Mukhtaar ash-Shanqeeti, and the many other scholars who teach in the Haramayn and throughout the country and so on. And Allah knows best.

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

"The verdicts of al-Qaa'idah on Jama'at Tabligh"???

"The tazkiyah of the 'ulamaa' of al-Qaa'idah"???

Who from among the people of knowledge use the terms "the 'ulama' of al-Qa'idah, the fatawa of al-Qa'idah"? Is this name used even by those shaykhs who are open in their support of the mujahidun?

"for King 'Abdul-'Azeez (rahimahumullah)."

It is a bit strange (to say the least) for someone claiming to follow the "ulama of al-Qaa'idah" to say "rahimahullah" after mentioning the name of king 'Abdul-'Aziz ibn Sa'ud.

Having said that, I don't disagree with the fatawa of the above-mentioned noble scholars, may Allah be pleased with them all.

[abusufyaan]

It is a bit strange (to say the least) for someone claiming to follow the "ulama of al-Qaa'idah" to say "rahimahullah" after mentioning the name of king 'Abdul-'Aziz ibn Sa'ud.

I agree that is a bit strange that is why I suggest you re-read my post before saying this about me as you will find I am not making that claim instead I am encouraging everyone suffices themselves with those who are abundant in knowledge of the deen. That is why I am saying suffice yourself with the writings of Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjri (rahimahullah) without the rest of the article. And the point you just said actually proves my point that it is incorrect to link the Shaykh with the rest of those mentioned in the article, since the Shaykh himself would say, "King 'Abdul-'Azeez (rahimahullah)."

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

Brother Abu Sufyan: Forgive me for the misunderstanding, I somehow thought that post #2 and #3 were one post! Sorry about that. I must have been a bit tired last night.

[Suhaib Jobst]

Also you will find the words of praise of those scholars who came before Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjri, such as Shaykh Sulaymaan ibn Sahmaan, for King 'Abdul-'Azeez (rahimahumullah).

King Abdul-Azeez, who betrayed the pure Salafi Da'wah, who instituted man-made laws in place of Sharee'ah, and who cooperated with the enemies of Islam in fighting the Muwahideen?

Who from among the people of knowledge use the terms "the 'ulama' of al-Qa'idah, the fatawa of al-Qa'idah"? Is this name used even by those shaykhs who are open in their support of the mujahidun?

I also thought it was a little strange. But nevertheless these scholars - such as Shaykh Sulayman al-Ulwaan (fakkallahu asrah) - helped the cause of Jihad in the Jazirat, i.e. expelling the Infidel occupiers from Arabia like the Sunnah mentioned.

[abusufyaan]

Have you really studied the life of King 'Abdul-'Azeez or are you simply blind following the words of someone you admire? Have you looked into the matter yourself or are you overcome with zealousness? Take it easy brother and don't be hasty like others before you were.

Approach the deen from the direction of sincerity and honesty in seeking the truth about a matter, whether it is related to 'aqeedah, history or any other aspect. Have an open mind and read the works which mention the life of King 'Abdul-'Azeez instead of latching onto slogans.

[Logic lover]

Have you studied about the subjects you are commenting about, in order to practice what you are preaching?

It is not a requirement to become an expert in every subject one speaks about, as long as what is spoken is true, that is sufficient inshaAllah.

Dispute what has been stated about King Abul Aziz if you wish.

[abusufyaan]

How can you be for certain that what you are speaking about is true if you have not really studied it? This is from the arguments used by those who support blindly following a madhhab - that the Imaam and scholar has done all the work so what he is saying must be true so as long as you do as he says then what you are doing is true, but how many times is it that the ruling does not coincide with what is the truth? Ask yourself, do you really feel comfortable standing in front of Allah with accusing another person as betraying the pure Salafi Da'wah, instituting man-made laws in place of Sharee'ah, and cooperating with the enemies of Islam in fighting the Muwahideen - even though many, many notable scholars of Islam from all over the world praised him, including Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjri (rahimahullah) who praised him in detailed even?? Without even verifying the accusation?? Is this what the Sharee'ah that we are saying we want to be ruled by teaches us? Rather the Sharee'ah teaches that the person who accuses without proof is to be punished. How would you feel if this was done with yourself or your loved ones? By Allah, this is a strange thing being done out of sake of love and defense of the deen.

I advise you leave that off brother as, in shaa' Allah, that would be better for your own sake foremost. Put aside all emotions and slogans regardless of how beautified they have been made to you and read the books on the Taareekh of Najd and other detailed works on the life of King 'Abdul-'Azeez, such as al-Wajeez fi Seeratul-Malak 'Abdul-'Azeez. And Allah knows best.

[Brother_Mujahid]

Jama'at at-Tabligh is like any other da'wah organization, they have some good and some bad. I for one find it praiseworthy that they work hard to bring the faasiqeen back to the maasajid and teach people to follow the Sunnah in their manners. That being said, they do have their negative aspects, namely their taqleed of the leaders and their general ignorance about Islaam. Some also are very hizbi (though that happens with any group).

[Suhaib Jobst]

Ask yourself, do you really feel comfortable standing in front of Allah with accusing another person as betraying the pure Salafi Da'wah, instituting man-made laws in place of Sharee'ah, and cooperating with the enemies of Islam in fighting the Muwahideen - even though many, many notable scholars of Islam from all over the world praised him, including Shaykh Hamood at-Tuwayjri (rahimahullah) who praised him in detailed even??

That some of the contemporary scholars praised him doesn't mean he was infallible. There were many things about him which we now know about him, but wasn't clear about him back then.

The extent of his cooperation with the British and his secret dealings with them to betray the Ikhwan movement and others who upheld the Da'wah of Imam Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab (rahimahullah), details of which have since surfaced which put his entire reign into question.

It should be understood that the current Saudi rulers are not the same as the ones who gave aid and refuge to the Imam. Back then, these were just rulers who ruled according to Shari'ah and abided by the principles of this blessed Da'wah.

Now, however, the regime uses this background as a trump card, posing as the upholders of the Islamic principles of the Da'wah, yet negating those very same principles with pleasure! They care more about holding onto power than standing for these principles. And so many Salafis have become so enamored of them that its just disgusting.

By Allah, if the Imam (rahimahullah) was alive today, he would be from the foremost of those Mujahideen fighting the regime,...for its legislating man-made laws and its muwallat with the Kuffar against the Friends of Allah. There is no veil which protects these rulers from our criticism, when they commit clear and apparent acts of Kufr.