IBN taymeeyah on nahi anil munkar

[NAveed]

Is it true that ibn taymeeyah was walking with some students
they saw people drinking khamr-newly converted tartars.

They were drinking alcohol.
his students were going to make nahi anil munkar.

Then ibn taymeeyah said no. Wine was banned because it sows dissension among men and diverts them from the remembrance of Allah.
When these tartar dont drink they rape and pillage.
So let us leave them here

I heard this from prof sherman jackson

[NAveed]

http://www.isna.tv/2006/session06.ram
listen at
around 1 hour 15 minutes

[Umm Ahmed]

Imam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah bestow mercy on him) passed with some of his friends, by a group of people from the Tatars - who were drinking alcohol, and it is a sin to leave people drinking alcohol! But, the Imam linked this legal partial judgement of the Shariah (for the punishment of drinking alcohol) with one of the objectives of the Shariah (Maqasid of the Shariah), which he considered more important. When his companions said to him: "Shouldn’t we stop them" He said: "Leave them, because drinking alcohol stops them from fighting Muslims which is a more dangerous act."

This is the full text , InshaAllaah someone can shed more light if its a true narration.
I would like to add something to this.

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Imam Ibn Al-Qayyim (r) said: "There are four stages to forbidding the wrong (Munkar):

1. That the munkar is totally abolished, and followed by performing what is right, and this is obligatory (fard).

2. That the munkar is not eliminated but is reduced, and this is also an obligation.

3. That both conditions (removing or leaving the munkar) are equivalent, and this is left to ijtihad (whether to remove or leave it).

4. That the munkar is removed, but a situation which is worse than the first would result, and in this case forbidding the wrong should be abandoned.

[NAveed]

OH MY GOD

The salafis in england will go mad when they hear this

[Umm Ahmed]

Why is that ?

[Um Abdullah M.]

sister Naveed mentioned in her post "newly converted tartars"

and in Um Ahmad's post it sounds like they weren't Muslim.

so were they like Naveed said or what I understood?

also, can u give me the source of what u posted sister Um Ahmad?

baraka Allahu feeki sister.

[Umm Ahmed]

Sure Ukhti
It was taken from a publication called "salam magazine" Jum`ah `Abd Al-`Aziz

In "Violence: Analysis & Cure," published by Al-Falah Foundation, Cairo, 1999.
http://www.famsy.com/salam/Understanding.htm

The reason I was interested in this, is that I have come across this saying before .

[Abuz Zubair]

OH MY GOD

The salafis in england will go mad when they hear this
This shows how much you know about Salafis... nothing at all.

[Logic lover]

Well! if Naveed was implying that the 'Salafis' did not have the correct understanding regarding forbidding evil - then she might have referred to the 'Saudi Salafis' or 'Madhkhalis' to be more accurate.

I spoke to one of them once about a similar issue and was told that enjoining the good is only obligatory for the scholars. That came from a person attending weekly 'Aqeedah' sessions taught by a person certified from the Peninsula.

[Abuz Zubair]

naveed is a brother :)

[abudurrah]

this is used as evidence for lesser of two evils i learnt this from the local 'salafi' centre