What was so great about the London subway bombings??

[Tariq]

What is wrong with doing operations against the kuffar military, against the kuffar troops occupying a Muslim country, and against their hypocrite collaborators? This is not fighting fisabilillah?! What is so bad about this?

Tell me brothers, what was so great, what so wonderful, what was so excellent, about the London subway bombings (or any other killing or future killing of noncombatant kuffar)?? Why do many brothers (and sisters) think one is such a great, great hero for trying to blow up an airline carrying noncombatant kuffar with a shoe bomb?!

How did the London Subway bombings help Muslims in Filasteen? Or in Chechnya? Or in Iraq? Or in Afghanistan? Or in West China? Or in Tajikistan? Or in Uzbekistan? Or in "Saudi" Arabia? Or in Darfur-Sudan? How did this "great" and "glorious" act help Muslims living in the UK??? Or anywhere?

Please let me know these answers.

JazakAllahu Khair

[Abuz Zubair]

Tariq,

Who are you and why do you keep asking questions, apparently, seeking to incriminate some of those who may respond?

Are you a member of Vigil or other such organisation?

What's your agenda?

People, be careful of what you post, who you discuss with and what you say online. There are wolves out there looking to incriminate any Muslim/organisation by asking them provocative questions. You do not want to become a victim of their Nazi-style witch-hunt.

[Logic lover]

Indeed brother. Remember the 'Dispatches' programme of Channel 4.

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

do people like that pray?

those who spy on muslims

[AbuAhmad]

do people like that pray?

those who spy on muslims

Probably no, because they aren't Muslims.

[Tariq]

Assalaamu alaikum Abu Zubair and others:

I am a Muslim brother. Period. I'm not trying to incriminate anyone. I'm asking these type of questions because I want to know al-Haq, period. I'm asking for the sake of Allah (swt) basically why do brothers and sisters out there say that it is OK, great, halaal, etc., etc., etc., to do these types of things? SubhanAllah, I really don't understand this. I do apologize how I have possibly come across. I sincerely am sorry to everyone if I was too intense. I'm trying to find out why we have brothers and sisters that think in the way I was describing. I happen to not necessarily agree with it, but I'm sure many of these brothers know lot more about the Deen than I do, and I wanted to, insha'Allah get some insight and knowledge.

Brother, you and others are insinuating that I might be an agent, just because I have asked these questions. Do you not agree that these questions and the answers are very important for me as a Muslim and all Muslims? Brother how we eat, how we sleep, how we relieve ourselves, how we have relations with our spouse, how we conduct business, how we work, how we treat our family, how we give dawah to non-Muslims, and of course thousands of more things that we do each and every day should be in accordance with the Deen of Allah (swt). Everything of course we do should be for the sake of Allah (swt). So brother, is it not important to ask questions about qitall, and jihaad? Is this subject not very, very important?

I mean, I always thought that when fighting in Allah's cause against the kuffar, that it meant fighting the military, or the kuffar that are fighting you. I gave the example of fighting non-Muslim occupation forces (invaders), or murtad hypocrites that collaborate with the kuffar against you, etc.

Brother, Wallahi, I'm not asking any of this to incriminate anyone. On the day of Qiyaamah, will Allah (swt) not question us for all of our deeds? Meaning if a brother or sister has a question regarding the Deen, will you, I and all Muslims be asked if another Muslim came to us and asked us a sincere question, did we help that brother or sister in what they were seeking?

In closing brother, Wallahi, I'm asking these questions for the sake of Allah (swt). I'm your brother in al-Islam.

Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

[abu khattab]

Salama 3aliekum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu

Lets just say Allah said

"Indeed the munafiqoon they say we belive in Allah and Prophet, but Allah testifies that the Munafiqoon are liars"

So, even if you come here making oath's, saying your a muslim, then even in science of hadith, some of ulema wouldnt take hadith from behind the screen (muqadammah ibn salah), cos the said, it could be a devil reciting the hadith. So, for us, this computer is a screen between you and us, and your questions do raise our eyebrows (if we have some left)..

Anyway, you must be sad to concern about these questions!. get a life and get busy with real important issues.

[stranger1395]

Tariq,

Indeed you might be sincere or you might not be. More often than not people asking these type of questions at a time like this are either too dumb to know the reality of current everyday life or are paid agents.

Either way it is highly unlikely that you will find answers here...

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

to brother tariq...............


what was so good about muslims before 7/7?

[Abu Harun]

Salaam 'alaykum,

Those bombings do not only scare infidels, but it scares muslims also and because there is no easy justification of those mombings at hand, it makes people run away or being shy of their Islam. So there is nothing great about the London bombings Mr. Tariq. What is great is what the Muslim armies achieved against other armies.

Wa salaam

[Brother_Mujahid]

I guess as Abuz Zubayr pointed out, there is no point in indulging this topic.

[morbius]

I can understand the fighting in Iraq and Afganistan against foreign troops in the land.
I can understand choice of targets of 9/11.
I can understand attacks on the American embassy that took place here in Athens couple of days ago.
I come from a land that Uncle Sam bombarded, so I can understand a lot of this.

But there can be no excuse for subway bombings!

Tariq, the reason for such attack is to deepen the gap between the Muslims and others. Attackers are hoping that they will enrage us so much that we will lose our tolerance for Muslims and begin to prosecute them. They are hoping that by terrorism they can incite our hatred and a full-out war against everything Muslim. In that case, peaceful and moderate Muslims of the world would have no other choice but to embrace Jihad and this more radical and militant view of Islam.

This is really dirty tactics.

[Abuz Zubair]

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