View Full Version : A man who we should be wary of
Aburafay
17th January 2007, 06:01 PM
Assalamo Alaikum!
There is a person in Pakistan who is considered a scholar, and appears on tv programs. He is very articulate in presenting his beliefs and impresses the less-knowledgable audience as they do not understand where he is misleading them. He has a website in which he and his associates answer questions.
Recently on a program he stated that there is no ayah or hadith that tells us that the lu'ab of a dog is najis. He used the ayah
5:4 They ask thee what is lawful to them (as food). Say: lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and what ye have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah. eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of Allah over it: and fear Allah. for Allah is swift in taking account.
to prove that we can even eat animals brought by dogs held by their teeth.
I did some more research and found many other things. The following are examples:
http://understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=72
and the two links given at the end of the answer.
He has also written about music and the opinions of his establishment are in the following:
http://understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=619
and
http://understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=2897
What are your comments brothers and sisters on this person.
Wassalam
Intoodeep
17th January 2007, 07:34 PM
I read somewhere that yes you can eat the meat of the hunting dog...isnt that a way that people used to hunt even in the arab peninsula.
Abu_Abdallah
17th January 2007, 08:30 PM
I read somewhere that yes you can eat the meat of the hunting dog...isnt that a way that people used to hunt even in the arab peninsula.
With respect to the Saliva of a dog the Malikites in general - in fact unanimous as far as I know - agree that it is not najis. They base this upon the apparent sense of the Ayat quoted, and the 'Amal of the people of Madinah. This is a famous difference of opinion, and both sides have their good points. Is the mufti or speaker a Hanafite? Cause Hanafites agree that the saliva of a dog is always najis, being a hunting dog or not.
As for music, I didnt check the links yet, then whosoever adopts its permissibility in whatever form (as some do today) is opposed by so many proofs; indeed, only the particular type of 'music' of the Salaf's past such as 'drums' and that kind of beating (at appropiate times and circumstances) is allowed.
Aburafay
18th January 2007, 08:39 AM
With respect to the Saliva of a dog the Malikites in general - in fact unanimous as far as I know - agree that it is not najis. They base this upon the apparent sense of the Ayat quoted, and the 'Amal of the people of Madinah. This is a famous difference of opinion, and both sides have their good points. Is the mufti or speaker a Hanafite? Cause Hanafites agree that the saliva of a dog is always najis, being a hunting dog or not.
Jazak Allah khair brother for the information that the Malikites consider saliiva of the dog not najis. This is new to me.
I believe the person is Hanafi as Pakistan has predominantly Hanafi following.
But, another thing that follows is the implied allowance on keeping dogs as pets (not for farming or guarding). The President of the country appeared couple of times in photographs with his dog, and the fatwa by this gentleman gives credibility to people keeping dogs as pets inside the house.
As for music, I didnt check the links yet, then whosoever adopts its permissibility in whatever form (as some do today) is opposed by so many proofs; indeed, only the particular type of 'music' of the Salaf's past such as 'drums' and that kind of beating (at appropiate times and circumstances) is allowed.
I await your input.
The same person has even said that cultural dancing is an art and is not prohibited. After hintting at shariah requirements, he has left the decision to the individual, as is evident from the following:
The first thing to remember in matters relating to dancing or any other form of performing arts is that Islam has not expressly prohibited taking part in any of these activities. The most one can say, due to this lack of express prohibition of the Shari`ah is that one finds taking part in these activities to be against the spirit of the directives of the Shari`ah. Such a comment, however, will warrant that a difference of opinion can exist in such matters. The decision, in such a case should be that of the individual.
From your question, you seem to be quite well aware of what classical dancing is and how it fits in with the social directives of Islam. As a form of artistic expression, Islam does not prohibit it. However, within every form of artistic expression, there may be certain limits that the individual may find to be, in some way, beyond the moral limits set the Shari`ah. A good Muslim is required by the Shari`ah to honor and uphold the directives of the Shari`ah and also to keep away from all such actions, which he finds to be against the spirit of the directives of the Shari`ah.
http://understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=3438
Wassalam
Abu wakee
18th January 2007, 04:51 PM
He is not a Hanafi. He's a modernist and a student of yusuf islahi. He espouses mutazilite beliefs and has a strange understanding of fiqh.
ibnYaseen
19th January 2007, 02:13 AM
Sounds like Tahir ul Qadri.
Aburafay
19th January 2007, 08:56 AM
No brother abu_sa1f, it is not Tahir ul Qadri, it is a student of Yusuf Islahi as brother Abu wakee has mentioned. His name is Javed Ahmed Ghamdi.
Abu Nihla
19th January 2007, 02:27 PM
Yaa Shabaab, just because someone holds different to what we have been taught by another madhhab doesn’t make him a deviant.
The things that have been highlighted are issues of contention for centuries and truly speaking they are not strange to form a discussion. Issues on Music and Dog petting yaa akhi are contentious.
I wonna ask, did someone say all the hadith on prohibition of music are all weak? And the one that stands authentic that group zina, betting and silk sounds strange since we find ahadeeth that are authentic prohibiting Zina, Silk and betting but when it comes to Music we find none?
Can someone help….
Um Abdullah M.
19th January 2007, 03:16 PM
As for music, I didnt check the links yet, then whosoever adopts its permissibility in whatever form (as some do today) is opposed by so many proofs; indeed, only the particular type of 'music' of the Salaf's past such as 'drums' and that kind of beating (at appropiate times and circumstances) is allowed.
u mean "duff"
it is a type of drum
not all drums are allowed, there are different kinds of drums.
duff is one type, and it is allowed, in some occasions, like weddings and Eid.
and u might find some difference in opinion regarding this issue (when is using duff allowed).
Aburafay
19th January 2007, 10:21 PM
Yaa Shabaab, just because someone holds different to what we have been taught by another madhhab doesn’t make him a deviant.
The things that have been highlighted are issues of contention for centuries and truly speaking they are not strange to form a discussion. Issues on Music and Dog petting yaa akhi are contentious.
I wonna ask, did someone say all the hadith on prohibition of music are all weak? And the one that stands authentic that group zina, betting and silk sounds strange since we find ahadeeth that are authentic prohibiting Zina, Silk and betting but when it comes to Music we find none?
Can someone help….
Is the lu'ab of a dog a contentious issue amongst madhabs? Is music a contentious issue between madhabs? Is the lifting of Eesa (alaihe salam) a contentious issue amongst the madhabs? If they are, it is news to me.
The sahaba have given their clear opinion about music being the subject of the ayah
31:6 But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
Ibn Mas`ud (radhi Allaho anh) said : And of mankind is he who purchases Lahu Al-Hadith to mislead (men) from the path of Allah), he said, "This -- by Allah -- refers to singing.''
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