Which sect does this forum belong to?

[shinobi]

Assalaam O Alaykum!

I am new here. I just wanted to know that which sect this forum belongs to, precisely? I donot mean to offend or flame anyone. Its just a simple question. I hope to receive gentle answer. I didnt found any other suitable category to ask forum/admin related questions so I am posting here.

Wassalaam!

[Abuz Zubair]

I just wanted to know that which sect this forum belongs to

The saved-sect, I hope! :shock:

[Abu Hafsa]

Forum was out all day, what happened ? Alhamdulliah its working now, however im going to sleep.

[Um Abdullah M.]

ahl as Sunnah wal Jama'ah

[Hisn al-Muslim]

I'd say Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama`ah generally and "as-Sahwah al-Jadeedah" specifically (at least the administration/site owner the majority of mods and the regular posters).

- HM

[Umm Ahmed]

"as-Sahwah al-Jadeedah"

ًWhats that akhee ?

[Um Abdullah M.]

it translates to "the new awakening"

I'd say Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama`ah generally and "as-Sahwah al-Jadeedah" specifically (at least the administration/site owner the majority of mods and the regular posters).

I hope you are not including me in that statement, because I only consider myself ahl assunnah wal jama'ah, no subgroup.

[Hisn al-Muslim]

An ideology much more than methodology loaded with falsehoods and inconsistencies and where there is a lack of principles due to false pretenses of "maslahah" in everything.

The main proponents of it are Safar al-Hawaalee, Salmaan al-Awdah, Naasir al-Umar, and a bunch of other jesters that lecture in KSA or write on websites such as IslamToday.

In short: "Islaam they didn't give victory to, nor did they break the backs of the kuffaar"

- HM

[WM]

The AbuZubayriyyah tariqa...;)

You should see its golden chain!

[abu_ibrahim]

The AbuZubayriyyah tariqa...;)

You should see its golden chain!

lol, new silsilah order.

[Abuz Zubair]

An ideology much more than methodology loaded with falsehoods and inconsistencies and where there is a lack of principles due to false pretenses of "maslahah" in everything.

Can you tell us the Shara'i definition of Maslaha?

[Magoo]

I'd say Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama`ah generally and "as-Sahwah al-Jadeedah" specifically (at least the administration/site owner the majority of mods and the regular posters).

- HM

serious question bro, what makes you better than the admins and mods on this site, also what are you doing that is so much closer to haq than what people here are doing, are you ahlus sunnah wal jammah? and what makes you part of them?

im not attacking you, these are genuine questions

[Hamza]

"Islaam they didn't give victory to, nor did they break the backs of the kuffaar"

..........

[Hisn al-Muslim]

Can you tell us the Shara'i definition of Maslaha?I'll try.

As far I know, مصلحة (maslahah) literally means benefit, interest, or a consideration for good. And then I think المصلحة المرصلة (al-Maslahah al-Mursalah) if/when it's qualified, means or refers to the public benefit or interest, where it would either bring about benefit (for them), or protect them from a harm in their lives, belief, intellects, lineage, wealth, and such.

The attained benefit/interest or avoided harms/trials is to be in-line with shar'iah objectives and is allowed in all cases where there's no legislated injunctions or prohibitions to it. Lastly, it is not a proof in respect to 'ibaadah (religious rituals of worship) such as the prayer, nor in respect to Islaamic laws of specific types such as the dividing of inheritance.

The Companions did a lot of these kind things like the mus-haf, currency, prisons, and more. <- All for the benefit of society, whilst abiding to laws and objectives of the shar'iah.

- HM

[Hisn al-Muslim]

serious question what makes you better than the admins and mods on this site, also what are you doing that is so much closer to haq than what people here are doing, are you ahlus sunnah wal jammah? and what makes you part of them?I know you're asking not attacking, don't worry. I do not think I'm better than anyone, I don't know how that's interpreted from what I write but that's not what's sought after.

Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama`ah has beliefs, ideas, love, hate, loyality, and mannerisms -it's a full package that includes a methodology (or more) for nasr if it/they are permitted.

Adhering, attributing, trying and wanting to be in it is what makes people a part of it.

- HM

[Abuz Zubair]

And then I think المصلحة المرصلة (al-Maslahah al-Mursalah)

May be I should have asked you to spell it before defining it. I thought too highly of you, sorry.

Does it go on to show that many of us here don't have a clue what we're on about?

[Hisn al-Muslim]

May be I should have asked you to spell it before defining it. I thought too highly of you, sorry.I made a mistake in spelling, it's seen not saad and? I take it that you've never spelled wrong. As usual, Abuz-Zubair attempts his childish character-assassination strategies.

I post here seeking/speaking truth (as I see it) and don't care for high or low thoughts on me, especially from a man with little/no respect and who tries to put-down others.
(With attacks and insultives, nit-picking at postings, irrelevant off/side-topics, and snideness)

And I've said it before a few times or so, answer or respond to the post not person posting it.

- HM

[Abuz Zubair]

I made a mistake in spelling, it's seen not saad and?And? You still have the gall to say 'and'? You simply don't know what your talking about, do you?

I asked you to define Maslaha. Not only you failed to define it, you came up with a different term 'Maslaha Mursala,' AND you spelt it wrong for us, conveniently, both in Arabic AND the English transliteration.

And you still have the gall to say 'and'?

I take it that you've never spelled wrongNot if I have studied the topic and know what I am talking about. And especially, never in Arabic AND English! Arabic is NOT English. Whilst in English, spelling errors aren't considered THAT major, spelling errors in Arabic are nearly impossible, and only show the depth of once own ignorance.

As usual, Abuz-Zubair attempts his childish character-assassination strategies.

I post here seeking/speaking truth (as I see it) and don't care for high or low thoughts on me, especially from a man with little/no respect and who tries to put-down others.
(With attacks and insultives, nit-picking at postings, irrelevant off/side-topics, and snideness)Says the youngster who said the following nonsense in this very thread:

An ideology much more than methodology loaded with falsehoods and inconsistencies and where there is a lack of principles due to false pretenses of "maslahah" in everything.The point by questioning you on maslaha was to show that you guys are about lots of big words the meaning of which is completely beyond you. Not only you proved me right, you proved to be beyond spelling, too...

I haven't a problem with discussing these issues with a bit of sense, respect and courtesy. It is easier to ask then to suggest, and it is completely ridiculous to make baseless claims, and even more ridiculous to use words that are simply beyond you.

[Hisn al-Muslim]

Does it go on to show that many of us here don't have a clue what we're on about?Apart from the fact that the answer was right and spot-on or was something said that wrong? But yes, a lot of us here don't have idea what we're talking about most times.

Funny thing is that you're amongst them too, as was clearly displayed by a friend in this post (http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=438&postcount=5).

- HM

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

as salaamu alaykum,

Shinobi you practice any type of martial arts? Im only assuming unless you just have a fascination with Ninjas. Im interested if you are into the arts.

The site here the mods follow the ideology of a handful of hanbalis who rejected the majority of the Ulama of Ahlus sunnah :)

[Abuz Zubair]

as salaamu alaykum,

Shinobi you practice any type of martial arts? Im only assuming unless you just have a fascination with Ninjas. Im interested if you are into the arts.

The site here the mods follow the ideology of a handful of hanbalis who rejected the majority of the Ulama of Ahlus sunnah :)
says the one who doesn't know what deen he is on the next day, well done :)

[abu hafs]

Ahlussunah,
To be honest with you , the majority of so called Ulema in the lands of Deobandis are Barelwis , not deobandis, who make takfeer of them :)

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

says the one who doesn't know what deen he is on the next day, well done

Says the one who rejects the majority of Ulama and believes Allah literally to have a face constituting a form, and limbs for hands and those hands include a set of fingers, not only this but a palm, ONE SHIN (because there is no mention of two shins) but there is two Feet that rest upon the kursi, Sitting on the throne, two eyes with which he sees, and you cannot affirm genitals nor negate genitals since it wasnt 'negated' in the Quran in explicit words.

:) Let me get back to reading asma wa sifaat of imam bayhaqi rahimahullah

Caio!

[Abuz Zubair]

Says the one who rejects the majority of Ulama and believes Allah literally to have a face constituting a form, and limbs for hands and those hands include a set of fingers, not only this but a palm, ONE SHIN (because there is no mention of two shins) but there is two Feet that rest upon the kursi, Sitting on the throne, two eyes with which he sees, and you cannot affirm genitals nor negate genitals since it wasnt 'negated' in the Quran in explicit words.

:) Let me get back to reading asma wa sifaat of imam bayhaqi rahimahullah

Caio!
hahahahahahaha!!!

Imam al-Bayhaqi affirms all of what he mentioned! This is the most hilarious!

[abu hafs]

may be not in GF haddad's translation

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

No he makes Tafwid, oh dont tell me you and the najdi bunch found a 'new book' or perhaps you have a story that he had bukhari resting upon his chest when he dies so this suddenly approves he affirmed a Wajh as in a FORM?

Imam bayhaqi was ashari please dont tell me now we have a new finding at King Kong Saud university that he was a Litteralist. :)

[Abuz Zubair]

ok.. prove to us from his book that he made tafweedh... don't run away this time!

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

lol i rather not discuss a dialogue with a people who deny everything. Now imam bayhaqi is not ashari he is a literalist. Just like imam ghazali supposedly repented from 'tasawwuf'.

O Allah I turn to you through Nabiyi ar rahmati salalahu alayhi wa salam please guide them and us. Ameen

[Hamza]

lol i rather not discuss a dialogue with a people who deny everything.

So why did you start? Man you sufi's are still despicable.

[Abuz Zubair]

lol i rather not discuss a dialogue with a people who deny everything. Now imam bayhaqi is not ashari he is a literalist. Just like imam ghazali supposedly repented from 'tasawwuf'.

O Allah I turn to you through Nabiyi ar rahmati salalahu alayhi wa salam please guide them and us. Ameen
See how they run?

al-Bayhaqi was 100% Ash'ari, and yes he literally affirmed Allah's face and two hands, as did al-Baqillani being an Ash'ari. You cannot even quote one sentence from the book that you have access to and are reading, that al-Bayhaqi made tafweedh, not ONE :)

You are right, Hamza about these Sufis. They are, perhaps, the most spiritually corrupt people on planet earth amongst those who attribute themselves to Islam. His Deobandi 'Shaykh' is the one who was too scared to come here and discuss things in a humane fashion with reason. So he he acted as if he is having problems signing up and posting, and then suggested that we are the ones denying him access. Sufism corrupts your soul...

[abu_ibrahim]

See how they run?

I believe the Lebanese Barelwi Gibril Haddad has translated a book on Allah's names and attributes. Perhaps "Ahlus Sunnah" (a major misnomer in his case) has come back after reading a few pages and got extra brave.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

Very brave :)

www.naqshbandi.org

[Abuz Zubair]

Very brave :)

www.naqshbandi.org
OMG... he is a Qabbani follower now! lol

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

lol im not but just being silly.

[nobody]

may Allah help you bro. you have serious problem.

[Um Abdullah M.]

was it GF haddad who translated al Bayhaqi's book of sifat?

if it is, then don't be surprised if he mistranslates some of alBayhaqi's words, for he is a major distorter.
Insha Allah in future I will expose more of his distotion especially his lies against Dr Muhsin Khan.

[Um Abdullah M.]

bro ahlul sunnah
u seriously need to learn Arabic

[IbnShaykh]

OMG... he is a Qabbani follower now! lol

Looks like a sect that based their practises on the harry potter series

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Sufism corrupts your soul...

This is indeed a truthful statement.

[abu_ibrahim]

was it GF haddad who translated al Bayhaqi's book of sifat?


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GHXQ80Q7L._SS384_.jpg

[hearandobey]

ahlussunnah, do you still agree with dr salih as-salih's book re. nuh keller?

[IbnShaykh]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GHXQ80Q7L._SS384_.jpg

you rekon he was in his state of 'fannah' when he chose that front cover? like grooooovy innit!

[abu_ibrahim]

you rekon he was in his state of 'fannah' when he chose that front cover? like grooooovy innit!

lol, I saw him mention it on another site about ordering it and looking forward to reading it.

[hearandobey]

it's funny how ahlussunnah came all the sudden to post after not doing so for a while. i think his post was more about causing "controversy" than asking shinobi about martial arts, considering the fact that shinobi hasn't logged in since "12-01-2004"! wallahu alam.

[Um Abdullah M.]

thanks bro Abu Ibrahim.
The last person anyone wants to read the translations of is GF Haddad, he is definitly non trustworthy, a distorter and slanderer.
worse than Keller.

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

Actually i am interested in ninjutsu. I study it so I wonder at the name 'shinobi'

May Allah tabaraka wa ta ala bless gf haddad

May Allah tabaraka wa ta ala stop the new age movement of youths claiming to be hanbali salvation group

[Abu Maryam PK]

May Allah tabaraka wa ta ala bless gf haddad


Earlier you in a different thread your shaykh advises against haddad and faqir. Why this change of heart? It is better for u to start learning arabic and see for yourself whether haddad has corectly represented baihaqi

[nobody]

the seeking shirk forum is a duoble standard forum. the 'shaikh' can tolerate faqir the quboori but not a muwahhid salafi. his teachers would not even sit with a man like faqir so defends ' awliya can create fatherless babies'.

[Um Abdullah M.]

May Allah tabaraka wa ta ala bless gf haddad


brother how can you ask Allah to bless someone who distorts, lies, and slanders others ?
check my reply to him here and see how he distorts and slanders:
http://umabdullah.wordpress.com/category/replying-to-false-accusations/replying-to-gibril-f-haddad/

and there is more especially regarding Dr Muhsin Khan (may Allah reward him for his efforts), but I can't do it now, becuase I am busy with other things.
But insha Allah in future I will, if someone else hasn't done it.

I ask Allah to guide you and show you the truth.

[abu_ibrahim]

brother how can you ask Allah to bless someone who distorts, lies, and slanders others ?
check my reply to him here and see how he distorts and slanders:
http://umabdullah.wordpress.com/category/replying-to-false-accusations/replying-to-gibril-f-haddad/


May Allah reward you for your efforts. I'll have a look at the radd later on.

[Abuz Zubair]

I don't think you can argue with a sick-hearted person rationally. You ask him all the questions and he will simply runaway. He knows he is sick inside. He knows his 'shaykh' is a liar. You can't get his head straight if his heart is diseased. He doesn't come here to learn the truth, or to even teach. He simply comes here to cause fitna. Doesn't this alone show us the state of his soul since he turned Sufi?

Why bother treating someone's brains, when his heart has stopped beating? He is better ignored.

[jamia-hafsa]

do u lot belong to ahle sunnah?

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

do u lot belong to ahle sunnah?

Most of us do indeed belong to Ahl us-Sunnah.

[ahmedjbh]

there is a major problem when a simple question cause such division and anger. If everybody had said, we are muslim, would that have not been better?

Or am I ignorant of where the Prophets of islam called themselves salafis or sunnis?

[Um Abdullah M.]

Or am I ignorant of where the Prophets of islam called themselves salafis or sunnis?

how about "shia" ?

[ahmedjbh]

Allah called Nabi Ibrahem AS a shia of Nabi Noah AS.

37:83

وَإِنَّ مِن شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ

and surely Abraham was a shia of him (Noah).

Also Allah calls the supporters of Nabi Musa AS, shias.

28:15
وَدَخَلَ الْمَدِينَةَ عَلَى حِينِ غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ أَهْلِهَا فَوَجَدَ فِيهَا رَجُلَيْنِ يَقْتَتِلَانِ هَذَا مِن شِيعَتِهِ وَهَذَا مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَاسْتَغَاثَهُ الَّذِي مِن شِيعَتِهِ عَلَى الَّذِي مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَوَكَزَهُ مُوسَى فَقَضَى عَلَيْهِ قَالَ
هَذَا مِنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّهُ عَدُوٌّ مُّضِلٌّ مُّبِينٌ

And he entered the city at a time when its people were not watching: and he found there two men fighting,- one of his SHIA, and the other, of his foes. Now the man of his SHIA appealed to him against his foe, and Moses struck him with his fist and made an end of him. He said: "This is a work of Evil (Satan): for he is an enemy that manifestly misleads!"


Al hamdillah.

[Fajr]

I don't think those ayaat can be proof for the legalistic term 'Shi'ah' because the verses only take the linguistic meaning of them i.e. party/sect. Besides, it also says in soorah al-Qasas "Verily, Fir'aun (Pharaoh) exalted himself in the land and made its people into 'shia'ah' "... (from the same term)

[Yasir]

lol im not but just being silly.You owe it to yourself not to joke about serious issues like this.
Sincerely pray to Allah for guidance towards the Sunnah, and steadfastness upon the straight path.

يا مقلب القلوب ثبت قلوبنا على دينك

[Abu Maryam PK]

Allah called Nabi Ibrahem AS a shia of Nabi Noah AS.

37:83

وَإِنَّ مِن شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ

and surely Abraham was a shia of him (Noah).

Also Allah calls the supporters of Nabi Musa AS, shias.

28:15
وَدَخَلَ الْمَدِينَةَ عَلَى حِينِ غَفْلَةٍ مِّنْ أَهْلِهَا فَوَجَدَ فِيهَا رَجُلَيْنِ يَقْتَتِلَانِ هَذَا مِن شِيعَتِهِ وَهَذَا مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَاسْتَغَاثَهُ الَّذِي مِن شِيعَتِهِ عَلَى الَّذِي مِنْ عَدُوِّهِ فَوَكَزَهُ مُوسَى فَقَضَى عَلَيْهِ قَالَ
هَذَا مِنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَانِ إِنَّهُ عَدُوٌّ مُّضِلٌّ مُّبِينٌ

And he entered the city at a time when its people were not watching: and he found there two men fighting,- one of his SHIA, and the other, of his foes. Now the man of his SHIA appealed to him against his foe, and Moses struck him with his fist and made an end of him. He said: "This is a work of Evil (Satan): for he is an enemy that manifestly misleads!"


Al hamdillah.
Bismillah
I seek refuge with Allah from the Satan
How about
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُواْ دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُواْ شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُواْ يَفْعَلُونَ

Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (Shi'a), you (O Muhammad sallallahoalaihiwasallam) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do. (Al-An'am 6:159)

[ahmedjbh]

yes shia means follower/supporter, depending on who is followed it can be a negative or positive. But it remains true that it was used by Allah in the positive, obviously only for those who were correct in their deen.

I still see no place were salafi or ahl sunna wa jama is reffered to in the quran. In fact it would be interesting to know when these terms originated, I have a hunch but I will research it more before commenting.

[Abu Ma'mar]

'Ahlus-Sunnah' was from one of your gods called 'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas.

[ahmedjbh]

If you were infront of me, and I heard you talk like that about Abdullah ibn 'Abbas RA in that way, I promise you, you would regret that day.

Perhaps if you knew how much of the islam we have today is thanks to his hard work you would not be so derogatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60Abd_Allah_ibn_%60Abbas

[Abu Ma'mar]

Im really scared , rafidhi boy.

Your probably one of the guys that injects himself with numbing agents and then does his ashoora whipping.

I didnt speak of Ibn 'Abbas(radhiallahu 'anhu) in a bad way and i think ur the only one who took it that way.

Why do you get angry when i tell you that one of your gods ibn 'abbas called the muslims 'ahlus-sunah'.

[Um Abdullah M.]

If you were infront of me, and I heard you talk like that about Abdullah ibn 'Abbas RA in that way, I promise you, you would regret that day.

Perhaps if you knew how much of the islam we have today is thanks to his hard work you would not be so derogatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%60Abd_Allah_ibn_%60Abbas

would you react the same way if Abu Bakr , Umar or Uthman radiyallahu anhum were attacked?

I don't agree with what bro AbdlHakim said, even if some Shia did consider him that way (which I don't know if it is true or not), it is wrong to mention him in that way.

We must respect all Sahabah, they are all better than me, you and every Muslim, and the most pious.

Akhi AbdlHakim, I know you didn't mean to disrespect our beloved Sahabi Ibn Abbas radiyallahu anhu, but you should edit what you said, even if they had such a belief, we shouldn't mention him in that way, he is innocent from them.

[Abu Ma'mar]

Your right sis, if i could edit it i would.

But i still don't see the big difference, we take him as a noble sahabi and he takes him as a god, so whats the problem with me saying 'your god'.

But yeah i can see how it would be taken wrongly. JK

would you react the same way if Abu Bakr , Umar or Uthman radiyallahu anhum were attacked?

Whatever he says in reply to your question will probably be taqiya which he has all ready supported in another thread.

[ahmedjbh]

If anybody is unjust to anybody then we all have a duty to try and correct that.

Even if someone said something about yazeed or hind or Abu Lahab that was not true and was an unjust remark we have to be fair and say, no you cant say that, even though they maybe our enemies. So for people who are not our enemies it is even more obvious that we cant just say what we like regarding them.

Also nobody considered Ibn Abbas RA a "god" , the accusation is silly, and as usual no evidence is provided, some people find slander an easy sin to commit.

[ahmedjbh]

hahah, I love it.

So I can be accused of any belief, without bringing any evidence against me, and if I deny it, I am using taqiyah.

Thats almost as funny as the time someone told me to stop using my aql and put my faith in the qadr of Allah when I put my seat belt on in the car.

[Abu Ma'mar]

*yawn* more taqiya from the rafidhi

you didnt even answer the sisters question this time.

You really are a jaahil rafidhi aren't you? or maybe your playing games.

Read what your priest/god Ni'matullahi jaza'iri says or what your other preist/god khumayni say about the holyness of ahlul-bayt, which last time i checked contains ibn 'abbas .

Next youll say that people don't call out to 'ali bin abi talib radhiallahu 'anhu.

Like i said people know your game mate, so stop the taqiya. Im sure you think your on the level of hassan and hussain now with your numerous attempts at taqiya, but to me its just getting boring.

I have good freinds who are afgani bro's that left your sick belifs and came to islam, and other irani freinds who too accepted islam from your belif. So dont play games, i know what your priests did to bro's in iran and how many 'ulema were killed.

Then this rafidhi trys to act inocent.

[hearandobey]

ahmedjbh, do you do sujood on a turbah? if so, why do shiias do that?

[Madarijas-Salikeen]

They do it for they say the prophet salalahu alayhi wa salam only made sujud on natural things. Palm leaved mats, mud, etc.

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

If anybody is unjust to anybody then we all have a duty to try and correct that.

Even if someone said something about yazeed or hind or Abu Lahab that was not true and was an unjust remark we have to be fair and say, no you cant say that, even though they maybe our enemies. So for people who are not our enemies it is even more obvious that we cant just say what we like regarding them.

i don't think that quite exactly answered the sister's question, for she asked:

would you react the same way if Abu Bakr , Umar or Uthman radiyallahu anhum were attacked? (emphasis mine)

[suhail]

Regarding Yazeed he isnt considered an enemy by Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamah. According to my limited knowledge Shaykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said that Ahlus Sunnah keep quite when it comes to yazeed. We recognize his faults and his good. So we keep quite and dont go to extremes as the shiah do.

Regarding Hind then yes she had her faults before she embraced Islam but Allah says that Islam wipes everything before it so there you go.

Regarding Abu Lahab there was nothing good about him except may be some qualities which the arabs in general had. There is whole surah where Allah talks about Abu Lahab and what his end is going to be so really nothing good to talk about his.

Regarding Abu Bakr(RA), Umar(RA) and Uthman(RA) what can we say except that they were the among the best of the human kind after the prophets and Abu Bakr(RA) the best of all after the prophets. There are countless narrations regarding there superiority and there elevated status.

So really we on this forums are really muslims who try to follow the salaf but we are lacking in most of the stuff when compared to them. And i pray to Allah who give us the Tawfeeq to follow the best of the generations.

Jazakallah Khair
Suhail

[ahmedjbh]

I made a general statement that applies to all people.

If Abu Bakr or anyone was unjustly attacked then I woud say that is wrong.

How much clearer can it be?

[Um Abdullah M.]

how about the Shia's attack on his daughter Aisha radiyallahu anha, the beloved wife of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and the MOTHER OF THE BELIEVERS
do you believe that she was bad like the shia do?

[ahmedjbh]

which attacks?

can you at least make clear the accusation?

I believe she was wrong to fight Imam Ali in the battle of the camel if thats what you are reffering to, but she admitted it, and after that stayed out of such matters and thats the end of it.

Also my statement was a general one, so theres no point going through every person in history, I believe it is wrong to be unjust to anyone.

EDIT: she was one of the mothers of the believers, all the wives had that term.

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

the question wasn't whether or not you think its wrong to be unjust to people. the question was would you be as confrontational if Abu Bakr/`Umar/`Uthman etc. were insulted, as you were when you felt Ibn `Abbas had been insulted.

i'll try to be as specific as possible:

presuming a shi'ite insults Abu Bakr etc., on an internet forum (and it's a common sight unfortunately), would you say to them:

If you were infront of me, and I heard you talk like that about Abu Bakr RA in that way, I promise you, you would regret that day.

a simple yes/no answer will do. there isn't any specific point i'm trying to make, i'm just genuinely interested if you'd respond with the same vigor in defence of other prominent companions (may Allah be pleased with them all).

[ahmedjbh]

yes if its an insult.

If for example somebody said, I believe Abu Bakr was wrong to withhold the inheritance of Abdul Mutalib, Ibn Abbas, Fatima and so on, I would say there is no injustice in that. So i would not say anything in that matter.

However if for example someone just threw around basless remarks, or just plain insulted such people, I would say no, that is not the way to behave.

[JayshAllah]

which attacks?

can you at least make clear the accusation?

I believe she was wrong to fight Imam Ali in the battle of the camel if thats what you are reffering to, but she admitted it, and after that stayed out of such matters and thats the end of it.

Also my statement was a general one, so theres no point going through every person in history, I believe it is wrong to be unjust to anyone.

EDIT: she was one of the mothers of the believers, all the wives had that term.

Imam? He [ra] "was just one of them."

See how rude and offensive that sounds?

ALL of the Prophet's wives were of an exalted status and blessed with the title of MOTHER OF THE BELIEVERS...the Prophet [s] had no more than eleven wives...that means Aisha [ra] was one of the eleven Mothers of the Believers...just like you Rawaafidh say that Ali [ra] was one of the twelve Imams. Does the fact that there are twelve of them somehow negate the greatness of the position of Imamah and Ali's Imamah in particular? Do you Rafidhi turn-coats and traitors say "ONE OF THE IMAMS" or do you say "IMAM ALI"...then why do you say "ONE OF THE MOTHER OF THE BELIEVERS" instead of "THE MOTHER OF THE BELIEVERS"!??!!?!?!?

There were twenty-five Prophets and Messengers mentioned in the Quran. What would you say if someone talked rudely about Prophet Ibrahim [as] and then someone reminded him by saying that he was a Prophet, and then he responds with "well he is just one of them, all the prophets had that term applied to them."

What scum people are when you talk with disrespect about the Prophet's own wife! You wouldn't tolerate such things if I said it about your girlfriend, let alone your wife!

[ahmedjbh]

Imam? He [ra] "was just one of them."

See how rude and offensive that sounds?

There is nothing rude or offensive in my comments or your comment above. These things are facts, there is no point getting emotional.

Your speach is a poor attempt at fitnah, you should learn from some others on this board, who are masters of it.

[Um Abdullah M.]

If for example somebody said, I believe Abu Bakr was wrong to withhold the inheritance of Abdul Mutalib, Ibn Abbas, Fatima and so on, I would say there is no injustice in that. So i would not say anything in that matter.
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He was following the saying of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam that the Prophets are NOT TO BE INHERETED, so he was NOT WRONG.
Following the Sunnah of the Prophet is NOT WRONG.
If you don't believe in that hadith, we do, our scholars studied its chain and found it authentic.