Salafi Movement in U.S

[abootalha]

AssalamuAlikum,
Their is an interesting piece on Salafi Movement in the U.S through the eyes of a convert brother, it is nine parts long. As i read it, i was kind of taken back in time. So check it out www.umarlee.com

Abu Zubair your thoughts would be welcome also.

[jinnzaman]

It is an interesting piece, but the author understates the significance of the response by Traditional 'Ulema which is probably the true reason for the bursting of the bubble of the Salafi dawah. At least on the East Coast.

http://jinnzaman.blogspot.com/2007/01/rise-and-fall-of-salafi-dawah.html

[Break The Cross]

USA isnt a criteria to what is right or wrong. Evil here will always be accepted, so dont be shocked to the Sunni decline. Even the current Muslim population around the globe is over-exaggerated, 1.2 billion? lol I dont think so. Islaam will become something strange and its true followers will be even more astranged. Its not odd to see the Sufiyya and the Ashariyya popular in the west, since the kuffar will adopt their own kind :)

[Intoodeep]

It is an interesting piece, but the author understates the significance of the response by Traditional 'Ulema which is probably the true reason for the bursting of the bubble of the Salafi dawah. At least on the East Coast.

http://jinnzaman.blogspot.com/2007/0...afi-dawah.html

I think you give the 'traditional ulema' too much credit. It was their own bitter divisions and splits that led to their demise. Its probably a good thing as its given other, more balanced organisations like Al-Maghrib to move in and take over.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

I think you give the 'traditional ulema' too much credit. It was their own bitter divisions and splits that led to their demise. Its probably a good thing as its given other, more balanced organisations like Al-Maghrib to move in and take over.

Al-Maghrib is amazing.

[Abuz Zubair]

AssalamuAlikum,
Their is an interesting piece on Salafi Movement in the U.S through the eyes of a convert brother, it is nine parts long. As i read it, i was kind of taken back in time. So check it out www.umarlee.com

Abu Zubair your thoughts would be welcome also.
I just read the whole series and I must admit it was a painful read. Very painful and distressing, indeed.

I have a lot to comment on it, but not know due to busy schedule.

Please remind me exactly after a week to comment on it in case I forget.

[NAveed]

Its scary when you meet bros who had long thawbs and miswaaks and stuff.and then a few yrs down the line theyre out clubbing and nothing to do with salah.

Something went wrong with the dawah

[Abu Ilyas]

Brought back some memories good and bad.

[Umm Ahmed]

The dreaded boycott. This meant that no one would give you the salaam, nor speak to you, your wife or even your children. That being the case, this created a lot of problems inside homes as the wife would not appreciate being boycotted by her friends because her husband is not “taking the correct position” or vice versa. The obsession with “clarifying one’s salafiyyah” reached a fever pitch

This quote is so sad, but this is still happening amoungst some of the salafis up and down UK.

[NAveed]

I think in the UK the salafis r strong though right?

[Abdullah al-Shishani]

the problem with many poeple is that they assume that this path is layed out with roses and good times all the time. Nay, if you want something like that then perhaps sufism is for you, even then expect this

020.124 "But whosoever turns away from My Message, verily for him is a life narrowed down, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Judgment."


but true tawheed will demand that you go through tests and trials be they phusical or intellectual as Allah said:



002.214 Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried: "When (will come) the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near


029.002 Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, "We believe", and that they will not be tested?

003.142 Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without Allah testing those of you who fought hard (In His Cause) and remained steadfast?

And if you think that all those trials with anbiya do not concern us, then you should think again.

[asharee_salafi]

salaams had a skim read, very interesting and very true,

when your free abuz zubair why don;t you write an article on salafiyyah , i.e whats it about etc,

[Intoodeep]

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I think in the UK the salafis r strong though right?

Well not really, they've grown to a plateau and stayed there. Reading the comments on that blog has astounded me. People leaving pregnant wives due to the maribee issue?!?! and salafis burning out even becoming murtad at a massive rate.

They should never have given any scholar/group such a hold over them. The Prophet never created a priesthood so dont fall for one, always have a independent mind and think for yourselves and If Allah wishes well for you then you will be guided.

[Abuz Zubair]

when your free abuz zubair why don;t you write an article on salafiyyah , i.e whats it about etc,Who am I to write an article on Salafiyya. Besides, Salafiyya should never have been made into a group - you're either in or out - kind of thing. So I am more concerned with beliefs and practises than the label.

[asharee_salafi]

I mean,

writre ana rticle on my labels are wrong etc, what is poltics, how we should deal with each othere etc

[abu imaan an-nepalee]

The dreaded boycott. This meant that no one would give you the salaam, nor speak to you, your wife or even your children. That being the case, this created a lot of problems inside homes as the wife would not appreciate being boycotted by her friends because her husband is not “taking the correct position” or vice versa. The obsession with “clarifying one’s salafiyyah” reached a fever pitch

this disease is rife in every single faction/group out there!

i know from first hand experiance! from many people of different groups!

[justabro]

http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/mt.php/2007/02/04/reflections_on_salafisms_rise

This is a very telling quote:

Third, an important legacy of the movement which I have seen first-hand in the UK is that some people hold "salafi" positions without realising what they are. Specifically, people object to the Ash'ari school of 'aqida, to Sufism and to the following of madhhabs, particularly among the Somalis. I have had marriage discussions break down on three occasions, each involving Somali women who did not identify themselves as belonging to this movement. There is certainly a tendency towards a "unified Islam" which is simply "salafism" without the name and perhaps the "attitude", but which still satisfies all but the most extreme "salafis".

It just shows the importance of not getting caught up on labels. If we just call people to the truth and don't worry about labels and develop sectarian attitudes, people will respond. It's also ironic that he noted taht people who dont identify themselves with "the movement" rejecting Ash'ari Aqidah. I think, if anything, it shows just how easy our job is if we would just do it.

[justabro]

I just read the whole series and I must admit it was a painful read. Very painful and distressing, indeed.

I have a lot to comment on it, but not know due to busy schedule.

Please remind me exactly after a week to comment on it in case I forget.

tafaddal akhil kareem

[Abuz Zubair]

plz remind me again in 2 days time! lol

[justabro]

plz remind me again in 2 days time! lol

in sha Allah no problem

[abu_ibrahim]

To be honest, I'm not sad that they have turned on one another.

[knowrass]

plz remind me again in 2 days time! lol

in shaa Allah you've got time now to comment on the series...

[moubeen]

It was obsession with Names and personalities... that led people down this track - along with the fact many people in the west lacked arabic and took what these people was saying as pure truth, accepting their figureheads as people of the most knowlegable.

The ones who shouted the loudest, got most attention and ultimately most followers.

[Husain]

plz remind me again in 2 days time! lol
"O you who believe! Fulfil (all) obligations." (Al-Ma'idah:1)

- Husain.

[Abuz Zubair]

sorry... it is long over due... JK for the reminder again...

btw, what's better, writing history or making history?

[NAveed]

Making history by writing history :P

Ibn Katheer(alayhi rahmah)-

[Abuz Zubair]

You can only write history after it is made ;)

[NAveed]

But he made history..by writing history.

His book made history
:P

There is a paradox in there ..

[NAveed]

We are in need of such excellent scholars in our times.

We witness the juhala being called ulema..Very few people who deserve the title given it.

khayr.

[Husain]

btw, what's better, writing history or making history?
Hmm, do I smell here a clever escape from writing a lengthy article?

Leave making history for later, for the time being I would be content with it in written form.

- Husain.

[Abuz Zubair]

lol... today is tuesday... tomorrow I MIGHT have the time to write something... if not, then I am busy from Thu-Sat or even Sun!

So hopefully I can knock something up by tomorrow, if not then next week

[Ibn Adam]

The main point that occurred to me when I read the brother's insightful piece was that in the UK I felt the split was a lot earlier than the experiences he related in America.

I thing the venomous inquisition was widely circulating in the mid nineties here. Around '96-'97 the vilification of brothers like Ali al-Timimi, Abu Muntasir, Hashim al-Rafaei and Shaykh Suhaib (amongst many others) reached new heights. Others, like Bilal Philips were soon to be targeted. Practically anyone not accredited by particular reference points were to abandoned as "unsafe" or "astray".

Fatwas came out against al-Muntada and JIMAS. Brothers you'd never seen before would meet you, start a conversation with salam, then drop a probing question like "which durus have you been to lately akhi?" Which would swiftly be followed by a "The kibar 'ulama have said x, y, z about Fulan" if you failed to mention the correct names in reply.

Being given salam, or having yours replied to, was dependent upon the circulating rumours about "your position" on various issues. You could be labelled a Qutubi and/or a Sururi for knowing, or even having been seen to have given salam to, someone who was reputedly "off the manhaj."

Actually, typing this just now it's difficult for me to suppress a flash back to my childhood and watching the Monty Python skits on The Spanish Inquisition (Which you could watch here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO68fUMWx3g)if you wanted to but bear in mind that it's a TV "comedy" so it won't be entirely appropriate viewing)

In his piece Umar Lee (jazahu Allahu khayran) seemed to be, to my mind anyway, elaborating more on the later splits. The splintering of the splinters, as I'd describe it.

But yeah, it was an interesting series of articles. It made me reminisce, so baraka Allahu fih