Are there any currently exist sufi turuq that don't do shirk or bidah?

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

The only one I know of would be the Sanusiyya, and I'm not sure if they still exist.

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

nope....even a political sufi who doesnt perform tasawwuf and just interested in fame, money and power still commit shirk al hakimiyya.
they can't hesitate to take bribe and feel no guilt for betraying muslims and allying with the kufar.
sufi is shirk, spiritual or political

[jinnzaman]

Sufi Mujahideen
(http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=937&d=1133956332)

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

Sufi Mujahideen
(http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=937&d=1133956332)

I know there's sufi mujahideen, that's not what I'm talking about. What I meant was: are there any sufis today who don't make pilgrimages to gravesites, call out to saints (ex. "Ya Jilani"), or do bidah ceremonies like the Mevlevis whirling dance or the Rifa'is sticking icepicks in their cheeks.

I've read that the Sanussis and the related turuq, the Idrissiyya and the Khatmiyya are close to the Salafiyyun in their worship, but these don't seem very popular.

[jinnzaman]

I know there's sufi mujahideen, that's not what I'm talking about. What I meant was: are there any sufis today who don't make pilgrimages to gravesites, call out to saints (ex. "Ya Jilani"), or do bidah ceremonies like the Mevlevis whirling dance or the Rifa'is sticking icepicks in their cheeks.

I've read that the Sanussis and the related turuq, the Idrissiyya and the Khatmiyya are close to the Salafiyyun in their worship, but these don't seem very popular.

My post was directed at St. George who accused Sufis of shirk. I wanted him to take a look at the list and realize the large quantity of people he's done takfeer of.

With regards to which tariqas are legitimate, there are a bunch that don't make pilgrimages to gravesites or call out to saints or engage in self-flaggelation.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

My post was directed at St. George who accused Sufis of shirk. I wanted him to take a look at the list and realize the large quantity of people he's done takfeer of.

With regards to which tariqas are legitimate, there are a bunch that don't make pilgrimages to gravesites or call out to saints or engage in self-flaggelation.

Can you name some?

[Um Abdullah M.]

the "tariqas" themselves are innovations.
there is only one "tariq" (path\way) which is the sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

[Abu wakee]

the "tariqas" themselves are innovations.
there is only one "tariq" (path\way) which is the sunnah of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

abdullah ibn muhammed ibn abdul wahhab didn't see anything wrong with turooq.

[Abdullah al-Shishani]

abdullah ibn muhammed ibn abdul wahhab didn't see anything wrong with turooq.

yes, with those that followed sharia and evidence. Even then, what is there in any 'tariqa' which is absent in sunni islam? Dont we remember the hadith about young men asking the wife of the prophet (saw) about his family life, and then wanting to do more, and how the prophet (saw) rebuked them? ISn't there enough zuhd or zikr or whatever in the Path of Rasulullah (saw)? If by tariqa they mean just a jamaa, which follows sunna, then this is ok. Even then just until there is no single imam and a single jamaa IMHO!

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

My post was directed at St. George who accused Sufis of shirk. I wanted him to take a look at the list and realize the large quantity of people he's done takfeer of.
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it doesnt matter?
do we have to limit the number of groups we should consider deviants?
there is no such thing has a good sufi, a sufi is a sufi.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

it doesnt matter?
do we have to limit the number of groups we should consider deviants?
there is no such thing has a good sufi, a sufi is a sufi.

Shaykh Umar Al-Mukhtar (ra) was most certainly a good sufi.

You have an undue amount of hatred for ALL people who have been called sufis. I'd agree that people like Ibn al-Arabi or Suhrawardi were heretics, but Shaykh Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani (ra), Shah Waliullah (ra), or Imam an-Nawawi (ra) were certainly not deviants, though they may have had mistakes.

And we certainly have to limit the number of groups we consider deviants. We have to show utmost care not to be slanderers or backbiters. I'm not willing to face Allaah (swt) on Yaum al-Qiyamah as someone who abused the reputations of Muslims.

[Um Abdullah M.]

yes, there were good sufis, but sadly the later sufis, especially todays sufis, the majority have many deviancies.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

yes, there were good sufis, but sadly the later sufis, especially todays sufis, the majority have many deviancies.

That's why I asked the question in the first post. I haven't seen any today who aren't deviated.

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

I've read some of the words of Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Jilani (ra), and I find it ironic that even though he was a Hanbali and one of the Ahl al-Hadeeth, the tariqah that bears his name is one of the most deviant.

I also remember reading how Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah spent his whole career warning against grave worship, but when he died, his grave became a place of pilgrimage.

[Um Abdullah M.]

I would like to know also if there are any today, for like u said, I haven't seen any yet who don't have deviances.

and by the way, regarding "sunusiyyah", which I believe is all in Libya (if their are sunusiyyah in any other country and u are talking about them and not the ones in Libya, let me kknow).
the ones in Libya might not do as many innovated stuff like in other countires, is becasue the leader of the country didn't allow a lot of it, and considered it "khurafat", and allowed what he believed is ok and not from the "khurafat of sufis", so they still do some innovations like in dhikr and stuff, but more extreme stuff u wouldn't because of that.

I remember watching the Libyan channel couple years ago, and seeing like a parade in street, a group of people walking (dont' know what the occasion was, didnt' pay attention) and remembering hearing the libyan anchor saying "and now comes the sufi zawiyah .... that is clean from "khurafat" ..) or something close to that.

[Um Abdullah M.]

I've read some of the words of Shaykh Abd al-Qadir Jilani (ra), and I find it ironic that even though he was a Hanbali and one of the Ahl al-Hadeeth, the tariqah that bears his name is one of the most deviant.


that is because the ones after him did ghulu in him, and they twisted some of his things and claimed he said stuff which he didn't, and attributed a tariqa to him, so it is not his fault, it is the ones who came after.
same as the madhahib in fiqh, many of the followers of the madhhab weren't same aqeedah as the founder and some did ta'assub to their madhhab, which is agianst the teachings of the Imams, some to point of not allowing ones who follow their madhhab to marry one from the other madhhab.

so we can't say it is the Imams who were like that, or that it is their teachings.

[SAINT GEORGE OF ARABIA]

what's so good about the called good sufi?
you will only hear people say good sufi..... i dont know what that means.
shaykh umar mukhtar was a good sufi right? why and how?

[Abd al-Haqq Marshall]

shaykh umar mukhtar was a good sufi right? why and how?

http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=564&Itemid=26

You're kidding, right? Shaykh Umar Al-Mukhtar (ra) was a mujaahid shaykh who defended Libyah from the kuffaar and became a shaheed when the Italians captured and executed him.

He was a Shaykh of the Sanussi Tariqah, the founder of which (Sayyid Muhammad ibn Ali as-Sanussi ra) studied with the Muwahiddun in the Hijaaz (followers of Shaykh al-Islam Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab ra).

[Um Abdullah M.]

good sufi means they practiced sufism (which is tazkiyat an-nafs, and I myself prefer to not use the term sufism because it is associated with a lot of deviances today) through the Quran and Sunnah with no innovations.