Al Muhajiroun

[Janissary]

Asalaamu'Alaiykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakthu

What have the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah said about the conversion of Al Muhajiroun's deviated Aqeedah to the correct Aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah?

Walaiykumasalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakthu

Abu Ayesha

[T cooper]

Assalam Alaykum

I think this is a blessing Al-hamdulillah, this is the correct path and
I'm happy to see them come to the straight path, from a deivant aqeedah. As muslims we must want this for all the Ummah. I have to say that when I first found out about Al Mauhajiroun they were on the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah. They even state on their website that there were on a deviant aqeedah and asks for Allah(swt) forgiveness. I don't know what the scholars have said but we can judge for ourselves (inshallah) that this is something good. May Allah forgives us for faults and sins and guide us on the straight path.

Wassalam

[Amani]

what aqeedah was this????????

[abufurqan]

ashariyyah aqeedah

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

lol, akhi they are not important enough for the ulema to speak about them.

Yes they were on some deviated aqidah but know they are from ahlus sunah, all they need to do know is leave there blind following aswell as there excessivness in takfir, and i have hope for them ,because if i was going to give dawa to anyone it would be these guys, because they have a base you can work with, just snip a few things here, move this and that , then you have excellent muslims inshallah.

[abufurqan]

as wr wb, akhi abu faaris. may i ask in what way do they blind follow? also where is the excessive takfeer? Do you mean they blind follow shaykh umar? Also, at-takfeer is the right of allah upon his servants, it is hukm shar'ie and ijtihaad. I agree with there takfeer of the rulers and qaradawi etc. I dont know regearding there takfeer of shaykh bin baaz. But as long as it has ikhlaas, fulfills the mawaani of takfeer and based on the divine text, i dont see the problem. I think what ppl dont understand is that no one is forcing the hukm on you. If they are right it is 2rewrds and if wrong 1reward.
:)

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

Akhi i have to know :are you asking to learn or are you just asking to ask?.

I can talk about all those points buts if its not going to get you anywhere, then why bother.

[abufurqan]

as wr wb, ya aba faaris i am asking to learn why you disagree with there points then maybe i can clarify for you or we can come to some common ground, the haqq. "just asking to ask??" not sure what u mean there my brother.

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

I dont agree with their blind following of brother 'Umar bakri. I dont want to say any more about this man, because i dont think in this case it ever helps.

I also dont agree with their takfeer of sinfull scholers

[al-gharib]

is there anyhting wrong with their aqeedah or is it just issues of takfeer and blind following

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

last time i checked they changed from ashari to salafi, but we will have to see what Umar does next.

[Abu Khalid 2]

Wait. So 'Umar Bakri moved too? So does this also mean they really didn't change aqeedah's independently initially but moved with 'Umar Bakri? The reason I impose this is because akhi you said, last time i checked they changed from ashari to salafi, but we will have to see what Umar does next. lol, just found it kinna funny, that's it. But clarify akhi Insha-Allah.

[al-gharib]

Wait. So 'Umar Bakri moved too? So does this also mean they really didn't change aqeedah's independently initially but moved with 'Umar Bakri? The reason I impose this is because akhi you said, lol, just found it kinna funny, that's it. But clarify akhi Insha-Allah.

they follow omar bakri take him as their alim and sheikh so when he changed from asharee to ahlus sunnah so did they..

[abufurqan]

as wr wb brother gharib there is nothing wrong with their aqeedah, insha'allah it is aqeedah of the salaf. I dont see any excess takfeer either. There is a lil blindness from some old students but not from the new students of shaykh umar. man makes mistakes but make dua for them or help them in the dawah, cg fb, working to establish allahs deen etc insha'allah.

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

. I dont see any excess takfeer either.


My dear brother their leader didnt teach them usool at-takfeer, so they are ready to pull the trigger on anyone and sadly they have fallen into the trick of shaytan that the madakhilah have also fallen into, they think making takfeer of people makes them piouse and the madakhilah think that making tabdee on people makes them piouse.

وَزَيَّنَ لَهُمُ الشَّيْطَانُ أَعْمَالَهُمْ


And shaytan made their actions seem good to them.

There is a lil blindness from some old students but not from the new students of shaykh umar.

brother their blindness is extreme, they even change their principles when their leader does somthing that goes against them. Go say lebanon to them and then 'Allahu 'Alam what they will do to you.


Its not my intention to attack anyone, but my advice to you bro is to go to a masjid sit with the imam and read some books to him and then ask him to explain them to you, dont waist your time with groups like this, make most of your time.

[Abu Hafsa]

My dear brother their leader didnt teach them usool at-takfeer, so they are ready to pull the trigger on anyone and sadly they have fallen into the trick of shaytan that the madakhilah have also fallen into, they think making takfeer of people makes them piouse and the
Akhi i have recently come across some notes on Takfir from them, which it looks like some of them studied with Sh.Obm it totals to 45 pages on MS Word, ill attach the file so you can have a look. I dont know what the source of the studies of SH.OBm was based on... but it seems like they are very tatty and rough.

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[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

Iam not saying this to mock anyone walah, but i wouldnt give this to my little brother.

No where does it talk about preventative factors of takfeer in good detail, maybe it refers to one in brackets but basicaly its just trying to scare people into not making takfeer, wich is right to a certain degree.

[al-gharib]

Iam not saying this to mock anyone walah, but i wouldnt give this to my little brother.

No where does it talk about preventative factors of takfeer in good detail, maybe it refers to one in brackets but basicaly its just trying to scare people into not making takfeer, wich is right to a certain degree.

have you joined there forum? what have you posted there then

[Abu Faaris As-Sumalee]

I was going to post some notes on takfeer on their forum but i didnt bother for 2 reasons.

1) I have to convince brother Umar bakri in order for them to be convinced

2) And from encounters , i have come to belive that i will have to waste time explaining to people who wish to debate not learn.

[al-Athari]

I was going to post some notes on takfeer on their forum but i didnt bother for 2 reasons.

1) I have to convince brother Umar bakri in order for them to be convinced

2) And from encounters , i have come to belive that i will have to waste time explaining to people who wish to debate not learn.


go ahead and do it akhee they are takfeeriyoon and subhanallah if you want a perfect example of taqleed look at them ...give them the adillah and naseeha akhee even tho they won't take it because of their "aalim" at least you passed on the dawah

[abu abdil-kareem]

A brother and myself were banned for a WHOLE year from their site because we had some videos by Zakir Naik on our site.

http://www.streetdawah.com.

I posted on their site before that incident an explantion of how they have become that which they attempt to oppose i.e. the Madth-hab of the Madaakhilah, I explained that their excessive persuit of fault finding has lead them down the same road.

To be honest I do not really care whether I am a member of their forum because I have rarely found much benefit a part from the occasional posting by brothers like abu baraa' (May Allah hasten his release), but al-Hamdulillah their 'Aqeedah seems to sound and thier understanding Jihaad also. And I would have to agree with brother Abu Faaris As-Sumalee that posting something (especially something that they are already so accustomed to) that hasn't been verified by their Shaykh may lead to an unnecssary dilaogue.