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NAveed
14th February 2007, 07:29 AM
salamu `alaykum

There has always been confusion regarding the stance of the Deobandi scholars on the issue of “good bida`” (i.e. bida` hasana). Do the Deobandi scholars reject this concept? Is there really a difference between them and other traditional scholars on the issue? How do they explain the new acts that they themselves do?

Point 1: There Is No Real Difference Except In Usage

In reality, there is no essential difference between the definition of the scholars who named a particular practice as bida` hasana and the Deobandis. Nor do the Deobandi scholars reject such a concept. If anything, the only difference is in wording (lafdh) and the rule has always been “there is no argumentation when it comes to usage.” Maulana Ashraf `Ali Thanawi explicitly states this in his Imdad al Fatawa. He says:

“The establishment or negation of innovation being divided into “good” (hasana) and “bad” (sa’iyya) is disputed merely due to (difference) in usage… and there is no arguing when it comes to usage (istilah). After realizing and understanding this principle all subsequent and prior doubts are removed.”

(vol 5, Pg: 283. Maktaba Dar al `Ulum Khi Ed.)

Maulana Gangohi states in his fatawa :

“This is a difference in usage. Everyone means the same thing.”

(Pg: 155 Dar al Isha`at Ed. 2003)

This principle is something one should actively take note of since it is common for people to descend into petty quarrels due to differences in how they express certain points of the religion - even though both methods of expression are sound in meaning-.

Point 2: The Deobandi Definition & Explanation

Both the Deobandi scholars and others consider new practices that arise as permissible on the condition that they conform with the general dictates of Sunni methodology. As such, the Deobandis only argue that these matters are in *reality* not innovation because they conform to the general purport of the sunna and what it points (ishara) to. Due to this, such new acts will be considered sunna or mustahab and so forth, altough they may “appear” to look like innovations.

This was explained in detail by Hakimul Ummah Maulana Ashraf `Ali Thanawi (Allah be well-pleased with him) in his Imdad al Fatawa (Ibid). He clearly differentiates between:

[1] haqiqi bida` (intrinsic/real), and
[2] suri bida` (extrinsic/appearingly)

He states regarding the latter (Vol 5, Pg: 293):

“[The meaning of bida` surriyya] is that which is in itself not found in the sunna (explicitly) but is infered from the general principles (of the Law).”

Then Maulana states:

“[Regarding whether bida` suriyya and hasana are two seperate thing] (bida`) Sa’iyya (bad innovation) and (bida`) haqiqiyya are one; (bida`) hasana (good innovation) and suriyya are one.”

(Ibid)

He elaborates further on the narration “All innovation is misgudiance” (kul bida` dhalala) by stating that if “innovation” is defined solely as haqiqi (intrinsic/real) then the narration is non-exclusionary, meaning that it includes every “real” innovation. Since, “real” innovation is by default considered “bad”, and that which does not conform to Sunni methodology, then there is no problem in accepting “all” (kul) in the narration to actually mean “every innovation” without specification.

However, if innovation is defined generally as including both the haqiqi and the suri then the latter will not enter into this narration, and the narration will be considered `aam makhsus i.e. a general expression used to indicate something specific. “All” (kul) will therefore only include in it haqiqi bida` and not suri. Thus, it does not mean “every innovation” but “every real (haqiqi) innovation”.(Ibid, Pg: 292)

Similarly, Imam Anwar Shah Kashmiri stated in his Faydh al Bari:

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“And innovation according to me is that which has no support in the shari`ah…”

And the shari`ah here refers to Sunni methodology as a whole i.e. all four schools, as he makes clear in his `Urf al Shadhi when he states:

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“Know that innovation is that which does not have any basis in the methodology of the four schools.”

This is also what Maulana Idris Kandihlawi states in his commentary on Mishkat al Masabih.

Maulana Rashid Ahmad Gangohi (Allah be well-pleased with him) says in his fatawa (Pg: 155):

“There is no such thing as “good innovation” (bida` hasana) and whatever is called bida` hasana is in reality a sunna (s: confirmed, derived, or indicated by the sunna). However, this is a difference in usage. Everyone means the same thing.”

Point 3: The Hanafi Scholars Who Divided Innovation Into “Good” Or “Bad”

Others, however, labelled the above as “good innovation” - whether by using the term or actually explaining it in detail. So it is in actuality merely khilaf lafdhi as has been mentioned before.

The muhaqiq of the Hanafi school, Allamah Ibn `Abidin stated in his Rad al Muhtar that innovation is of five types, as did many other scholars before him. He stated:

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Among the other scholars in the Hanafi school who explicitly accepted (or used) the division of innovation into hasana and sa’iyyah were:

[1] Ibn Nujaym in his Bahr al Ra’iq sharh `ala Kanz al Daqa’iq,
[2] Al Birgivi in his Tariqa al Muhammadiyya, and its commentators such as Imam Khadimi,
[3] Imam Tahtawi in his Hashiya,
[4] `Ala al Din Haskafi in his Durr al Mukhtar,
[5] The authors of Fatawa al Hindiyya,
[6] The great Indian commentary on the Durr entitled Ghayat al Awtaar by Maulana Muhammad Nantowi,
[7] `Allama Shabbir Ahmad `Uthmani, the Deobandi scholar, in his Fath al Mulhim, and so forth.

Point 4: Conclusion

In conclusion: Deobandis do not reject new practices, but they do not label them as “good innovations” since the phrase “innovation” is haqiqatan signifying something bad according them. Rather, new acts that conform to the general methodology of Sunni Islam, even if not explicitly found in the sunna, are referred to as sunna. Apparently, they seem to look like innovation but in reality are not.

Others, differing in terminology, labelled such things as bida` hasana and found no qualms in using sucha phrase. To them bida` hasana is no different then sunna hasana as in the prophetic narration “whoever starts a good sunna will have the reward of it.”

The most important thing to note is that both opinions strictly stipulate that any new action that does not conform to Sunni methodology, or is not derived from the general indication of the sunna, is rejected since “that which is not from this way of ours will be rejected”, as the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) said. However, that which does conform and has some basis will be accepted. Whether one wishes to refer to it as “good innovation” or as a “sunna” that only “appears” to look like an innovation is ultimately inconsequential.

And Allah Knows Best

Wasalam

Salman

abu hafs
14th February 2007, 08:29 AM
Doesnt Mufti Taqi Uthmani have a different view ?
What about others whom u are supposed to be following like Shah Isma'eel Dehlawi ?

NAveed
14th February 2007, 06:16 PM
this is the most detailed article i have come across on the issue

NAveed
14th February 2007, 06:21 PM
I will quote from mufti desai now...who is accepted as representing true
deobandi opinions in our age

An usool that some ulama quote dear Mufti - that as long as a person doing a 'new' act (not in the Sunnah and practice of the first 3 generations) with the intention that it isn't a sunnah or part of Deen

Question
i don't understand an usool that some ulama quote dear Mufti - that as long as a person doing a 'new' act (not in the Sunnah and practice of the first 3 generations) with the intention that it isn't a sunnah or part of Deen then it is permitted. This surely will lead to many bidat being practiced. e.g I can say that I like to wipe my eyes during the adhan and then do a 5 rakat prayer - but don't xonsider it to be from the sunnah so its ok.

Surely anything that is done which has a Deeni context is considered a religious act an hence must be verifed in the Sunnah. If it is not in the Sunnah nor in the first 3 geerations of Muslims then it is a Bidat. The next question is: is it Bidat Hasanat or Sayiaat. e.g Milad Nabi wsas never in the Sunnah nor in the 3 generations, yet the major Ulama of theUmmah have said that as long as haram acticcites are not done, the maqasid of the celebration is good and so it is bidat hasanat.

Surely we must look at any new act to do with religion in this way and then either allow it as a bidat hasanat or forbid it as a bidat sayiaat and not say that it is linked to intentions. No one does a act relating to religion thinking it to be a 'non religious act'. So e.g some people pescribe new dhikrs for problems e.g. say ya Alimu 100 times etc. We cannot say, "This can be done as long as one inteneds it not to be a sunnah" as the act is a religious one and is relating to Deen and new so defintely is Muhdathat and bidat - now the ulama must have ijma upon if it is hasant or sayiaat.

If not then why did Abu Bakr Radiahllaho anho become anxious about writitng the Quran down - he could have done it with the intention that it wasn't a sunnah - but NO - becuase the act is relating to deen, and is new, so is muhdathaat and is defintely Bidat - but the Sahab have Ijma that this is bidat hasanat and worth doing so Alahmdulilah it was done.

And Surely I have no Knowledge and am Jahil until Allah guides me. May Allah elevate your status dear Mufti Saab for your work.


Answer
It appears that your doubt stems from the fact that anything done in a Deeni context is a religious act and must be verified in the Sunnah. It must be pointed out that the Hadith ‘kullu bid-atin dhalaalah’ (every bid’ah is deviation) is not absolute. In juridical terms, it is referred as Kussa anhu albaz (some components are excluded).

The Muhadditheen have stated that there are five categories of bid’ah:

1. Waajib, for example, learning Sarf and Nahw (etymology and syntax) in order to understand Arabic;

2. Haraam, for example, the beliefs of the deviated sects;

3. Mustahabb, for example, establishing Madrasahs;

4. Makrooh, for example, beautifying Musjids and Qur’aan (out of pride);

5. Mubaah, for example, eating different dishes at once.

The common factor in the categories of bid’ah 1 and 3 is advancing the course of Deen. That obviously has to be done in a way that maintains the prestine purity and general purpose of the Shari’ah. This is a general principle that could be misinterpreted and include in it acts of bid’ah. It is, therefore, advisable that any new act be presented to competent Ulama to determine whether it is bid’at-e-Hasanah or a rejected bid’ah. The Dhikrs prescribed by Mashaaikh falls in the category of bid’ah Mandoobah – as it is advancing the cause of Deen and it has its basis as Tazkiyah in Shari’ah.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai


Subhanallah.The deobandis are not salafi.

NAveed
14th February 2007, 06:22 PM
taken from
http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=fead34180b8b51105e2b277ad133b25d

aburasheed
14th February 2007, 07:33 PM
If not then why did Abu Bakr Radiahllaho anho become anxious about writitng the Quran down - he could have done it with the intention that it wasn't a sunnah - but NO - becuase the act is relating to deen, and is new, so is muhdathaat and is defintely Bidat - but the Sahab have Ijma that this is bidat hasanat and worth doing so Alahmdulilah it was done.


I don't think this opinion is correct. Quran was been written down, way back then even before Umar became a muslim. Remember the story of Umar's conversion, Khabbab have to hide the leaflets of Quran when Umar walks in?

If it is referring to combining the Quran into one mushaf, then refer to the hadith of Irbad ibn Sariya, which mention about bidaah and following the sunnah of the Prophet and the rightly guided khalifah (Tirmidhi, Abu Dawud). Abu Bakr is surely one of the rightly guided khalifah.

Break The Cross
14th February 2007, 07:42 PM
Allah calls The Qur'an a "book", so all the Sahabas did was compile it into a book form.

joefso
14th February 2007, 07:45 PM
if so then(interpreted in the way of break the cross) why did prophet Muhammad peace be upon him not do it?

Break The Cross
14th February 2007, 07:52 PM
What I was implying was its not anything new as the article said since it was already called a book.

aburasheed
14th February 2007, 07:55 PM
if so then(interpreted in the way of break the cross) why did prophet Muhammad peace be upon him not do it?
Simply because the revelation is still coming, even within days before the death of the prophet there are revelation. Refer to the hadith from Bukhari and at-Tabari of Ibn Abbas regarding the last verse (Surah Baqarah 281), which Ibn Abbas added, "Rasulullah lived 9 nights after this verse was revealed, then he passed away."

joefso
15th February 2007, 07:33 AM
Simply because the revelation is still coming, even within days before the death of the prophet there are revelation. Refer to the hadith from Bukhari and at-Tabari of Ibn Abbas regarding the last verse (Surah Baqarah 281), which Ibn Abbas added, "Rasulullah lived 9 nights after this verse was revealed, then he passed away."

yeah I understand but I heard in a lecture from Anwar Awlaki that the quran used to writton on leafs and leather(pieces), why wasn't it directly written in a book?

ibn 'abd al-jabbaar
15th February 2007, 01:18 PM
there was no pressing need to have it in a single compilation: the main method of transmission was orally, which was then memorised (with the parchments as reference when necessary).

the need arose (as far as i can recall) when a lot of huffaadh were martyred in the battles under abu bakr as-siddeeq radhiAllahu 'anhu, as it was feared the Qur'an would be lost. cf (http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=10012&ln=eng, http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/compilationbrief.html)