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Deenin'
19th February 2007, 07:33 PM
As-salaamu 'alaykum.
You know sometimes when some of these Mozlems try to rip you off when you want to buy things off them...
Like example: 'Abdullaah goes to buy a thawb, he gets it for 65 squids, and then I come along and the seller thinks, hmmm, yeah, I think I can skank this dude, so he sells me the thawb for 75 squids, while the price he is selling to others is 65...
Is this haraam? Raising prices.
Yeah, so if it's haraam, what is this action entitled in Arabic? And if someone tries to do this to me, what do I say to them? I normally cuss them and say, "You plonker!" but, what else can I say besides that?
Shukran.
Was-salaam.
Deenin'
19th February 2007, 08:03 PM
Please, can someone answer me...
Abuz Zubair
19th February 2007, 08:22 PM
There is nothing wrong with charging slightly over or less than the average price and the shop keeper is well within his rights to do so.
What is cheating is actually to go beyond reasonable. So if he were to sell it to you for £200, when it only costs £65, but he takes advantage of your gullible nature and rips you off, then Islamicaly you have right to demand some of the cash back, or cancel the deal altogether.
In Arabic this is called al-Ghish, and the Prophet - SallAllahu 'alayhi wa-sallam said, whoever deceives us (ghashana) he is not from us.
Deenin'
19th February 2007, 08:29 PM
Jazzaak allaahu khayran for your reply bro.
But, what is slightly over? I mean charging 10 pounds extra is actually a lot of money for some people, I can understand maybe, 3 pounds, but 10 pounds is a lot of money, especially for some people who live in third world countries like Morrocco, Egypt, etc.
Abuz Zubair
19th February 2007, 08:31 PM
Even 20 pence might be a lot of money for some people. But consideration isn't given to some people. It is given to the 'urf... the custom, according to which £10 more is a 'rip off', but not worth taking someone to court for.
Deenin'
19th February 2007, 08:37 PM
Okay, but I'm confused bro, sorry.
If that dude is selling me a thawb for 75 dinaar, when orignally it is 65, that is beyond reasonable to me.
I just want to clarify something, is the action haraam or not? I don't care about whether it's worth taking him to court over, getting money back, etc.
Just the action itself, haraam or not?
Abuz Zubair
20th February 2007, 12:51 AM
No, it is not haram, even if it is unreasonable to you.
By unreasonable I mean what would be considered unreasonable by custom, and not only by you.
You see, I can easily dispute with you that the right price should be 10 pounds more and not less, for whatever reason.
But if I were to add a hundred on top, that would be unreasonable by agreement of all.
Abu Ilyas
20th February 2007, 04:09 AM
As Salaamualaikum,
Here is a ruling on this issue which answers your question quite well:
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13341&ln=eng
Was Salaam
AI
Deenin'
21st February 2007, 06:04 PM
Wa 'alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullaah.
Are you the same bro on Sas's forum? (Abu Ilyaas)
Jazzaak allaahu khayran.
Bro, do you know how I can get hold of Muhammad al-Habdaan's prisoner khutbah in arabic, and any other material related to prisoners in arabic, barring Salmaan al-'Awdah, et al, because I already have all of that, I need specifics on like the statement of the salaf regarding the prisoners, etc.
AbuAhmad
21st February 2007, 08:31 PM
Is it haram to pay low mahr (like a few dollars) to your potential wife? Is this considered 'ripping off'? (Assuming she agrees)
Abu Ilyas
21st February 2007, 08:38 PM
As Salamualaikum,
No akh, thats not me. Try www.cageprisoners.com.
Was Salam
AI
Wa 'alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullaah.
Are you the same bro on Sas's forum? (Abu Ilyaas)
Jazzaak allaahu khayran.
Bro, do you know how I can get hold of Muhammad al-Habdaan's prisoner khutbah in arabic, and any other material related to prisoners in arabic, barring Salmaan al-'Awdah, et al, because I already have all of that, I need specifics on like the statement of the salaf regarding the prisoners, etc.
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