Prophet SAW did wudu with two large handfulls of water???

[asharee_salafi]

Assalaam'ualykum,

How did the Prophet SAW do wudu with such little water. I have heard its with about two large hands( clasped togther) worth of water ( I think).

To my knowldge water has to flow , but is it on ever part, or can it just flow on one part and then with the wet hand you move the water about.

Some people have hair on their forearms and around their ankles. Do you have to RUB teh water in or just wipe.

A da'ee told me just wipe, he also said don;t getw as was on teh issue.

Furthermore, Some where cotton socks, and sometimes the cotton can get stuck RIGHT in teh toe nail, such that youc an;t get it out or waterd oesn;t penetrate it, what then? Or is this extremisim in the religion?

[Abuz Zubair]

How did the Prophet SAW do wudu with such little water. I have heard its with about two large hands( clasped togther) worth of water ( I think).

Don't have a wrong idea about 'flowing water over skin'... flowing water literally means flowing water, no matter how little it may be. So if you get a hand full, or less water, and pour it over your arm and squeeze your arm with your hand and run over it tightly, you will notice that very little amount of water does actually flow over your skin. That is enough to be classified as flowing water. Yes, it is very close to wiping, but so long as any little amount of water is flowing over your skin, technically it is ghasl.

Some people have hair on their forearms and around their ankles. Do you have to RUB teh water in or just wipe.

If the part of the skin which must be washed in wudu has a lot of hair such that on cannot see the skin, then it is sufficient to wipe over the hair with wet hands. But if one can see the skin, then one must make ghasl of the skin he can see.

The same applies to beard. Some people have thick bushy beards, others have see-through beard.

Furthermore, Some where cotton socks, and sometimes the cotton can get stuck RIGHT in teh toe nail, such that youc an;t get it out or waterd oesn;t penetrate it, what then? Or is this extremisim in the religion?

This is extremism, you extremist Moslem!

[gag order]

lol,

i have an extremist question,

flowing water is a layer of wetness?

is it not necassary to use enough that causes droplets to trickle?

and i like to run the tap on full blast!

[Abuz Zubair]

Depends what you mean by layer of wetness... as I said... even if it is just a 'layer of wetness', if you grab your arm tight with your fist and run over it, and you see the little layer of water moving on your skin then that suffices as ghasl. The key is that water must move on your skin.

Oh, and running tap on full blast is also extremism brozar!

[Umm Ahmed]

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[asharee_salafi]

lol AZ

What you mean hair round the ankles such that it can't penetrate because you can;t see the skin......I think that is way past the mark, only gorillas and monkeys have that ( now don't call me one!).

ith my beard, its not first length, but its not totally pitch black all the way through...so what I do? I just wipe with a bit of water.

Basically, I a brother does have alot of hair round the ankles, but you can still see the skin, does have just have to wipe over what he sees, even if he feels he doesn't get 'every single bit' wet?

Or does he have to make SURE all the skin is wet and not just wipe with a wet hand .

Basically, the brothers gets a bit of water, and its goes all over his foot and ankle , but he feels that he doesnt get every single bbit of his skin because he has hair on the ankles.......so he just carries on because he feels he has just done his fard by first making the water flow on his foot and then wiping his whole foot and ankles with a wet hand. Is he safe even if he thinks that not every single bit is wet ?

ja

[Abuz Zubair]

lol...

sorry, I didnt know you're talking about ankles...

but whatever it may be... if you can see the skin, you must wash as a rule of thumb.

The parts of your beard where you can see the skin you must wash.. what you can't see, just wipe over it.

Basically, I a brother does have alot of hair round the ankles, but you can still see the skin, does have just have to wipe over what he sees, even if he feels he doesn't get 'every single bit' wet?

Or does he have to make SURE all the skin is wet and not just wipe with a wet hand .

This is an extremist question, and I fear that the brother might have become a victim of Shaytan's trick of waswas... Even if someone's got a really hairy ankle like a werewolf, he only needs to place his foot under the tap to get it wet and run his hand against the direction of hair (i.e. upwards) to make sure he has washed his feet - and that is it... no more...

Is he safe even if he thinks that not every single bit is wet ?

He is doomed if he thinks otherwise! He should really fear Allah and stop helping Shaytan over himself!

[trojan-hunter]

salaam
bro since ur talkign about waswasa to do with wudhu, what was the Prophetic way of urinating - since plenty of man's I've noticed suffer with waswasa in regard to this. I mean it's absolutely normal (so the specialists say) for urine to stay back in the urethra in the private part, and which is there is a good chance it wil come out when there's commotion down there etc. - then u get the hanafis saying u should squuez the urine out etc. - but then u get people saying that is Bida as Prophet never done it - http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=89888&ln=eng - i mean how do you find the balance and keep away from extremes in this case - like not squeezing extracting urine in one case and then having waswas and cheking ur private part to see whether it has leaked or not checking at all and then being negligent in this case and possibly having ur prayers rejected as u were in astate of impurity or on the other scale of thngs u squeezing and extracting and then possibly doing a Bidah - which is aheavy word man. I mean sometimes after you've urinated and it appears that thingas seem alright all it takes is to play with ur wife and ur manhood to change shape and urine that was at the bottom exits - i mean i know Islam is areligion of ease with which the Prophet waas sent and surely it can't be that hard to urinate with the consequrences involved, and also soetimes when ur desperate to to get the toilet in time soemtimes the most minutest microscopic drops have exited - i mean this is meant to be normal, but how in terms of fiqh can the minutest of impurities be overlooked - sometimes it's just too much I cant take it man proper depresses me - and thats just thinking about going to the loo man.
some brotherly advice would be nice on how to combat this problem - or is it a perceived problem.
jk
salaam

[asharee_salafi]

Nah bro,

You don't wash it, your wipe over it right?

This is what I have been told, I have heard that wiping ( after water flowing ) is sufficient, you don;t have to 'wash'.

Pls be specific ( despite my many typos!)

For instance, brother X may have a lot of hair on his forarms, but he can still see his skin. He doesn't have to wash his arms, rather he should make teh water flow and then wipe over 3 times, each time witha new handful of water, and if a bit hasn't been wet, then thats not his fault, Allah will over look.....

After all, we are not talking of a ghusl right?

I have asked two da'ees

pls answer.

[gag order]

if you dont want to squeeze then wait it out otherwise it will go down your trouser leg if you do neither.

[Abuz Zubair]

He doesn't have to wash his arms, rather he should make teh water flow and then wipe

Making the water flow IS in fact washing...

al-Ghasl is defined as murur al-maa 'ala al-jasad... water following over skin

[asharee_salafi]

hmmm

yeah, okay....so when you wipe its washing, thats fine, but some people may not get every single millimetere wet all the time, maybe Allah will look over this, after all if you do wipe over 3 times, it should be done, but some people are hairy, so that its not done fully....

what about the second part of my question?

pls

[Abuz Zubair]

Wiping is not washing...

Water is not able to flow over skin while wiping.. Wiping is simply contact with wet hands, and that is it... Washing is a flow of water over skin, no matter how little the water may be...

Even those who are hairy, washing three times should definitely have covered the entire area...

What's the second question?

[asharee_salafi]

I'll give it later,

But the point being made is this:

It only has to flow on one part and then you wash you use that water and wipe every part, right?

Becuase if you had to make the water flow.......onb every singkle part, then that would take much water.

So i'm saying it has to flow on one part and the rest you wipe because you initially made it flow :) right?

[Abuz Zubair]

If I understand you correctly (which I am not sure if I do), then no... all three times one should wash (ghasl) the parts that require washing... The first wash being wajib, and the other two being Sunna...

The minimum wash you can do is by squeezing a little water down your arm... so as to forcing water to flow over your skin...

Oh... and like I said.. worrying to much about it IS indeed extremism and following the footsteps of Shaytan.

[aburasheed]

There is a distinction between "wash" and "wipe". In "wash" (face, limbs, etc), the minimum is 1X and the max is 3X, while "wipe" (head, ears, khufs, etc) it is always 1X.

We did this with 2 Styrofoam cups in our class and it is more than sufficient to make the whole wudu' including the sunnah. Maybe we should make a video out of this.

[Abuz Zubair]

Video is exactly what I was thinking of... this is the YouTube generation, after all

[Umm Ahmed]

I already have a video clip of Sheikh Muhammed Syed Adly - on How to Make Wudu if anyone is interested

I posted it earlier akhee.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=19304&postcount=5

[aburasheed]

I posted it earlier akhee.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=19304&postcount=5
That would require a jug of water :) A mudd would be about 1 cup.

[Umm Ahmed]

That would require a jug of water :) A mudd would be about 1 cup.


I once watched an omani make wadu with a small bowl , it was amazing to watch . Like Abu Zubair said this is the age of youtube, you should go ahead and make the video , but do the wadu slowly, so everyone can see
inshaAllaah.

[stranger1395]

wudhu can be done with just one styrofoam cup
i know cos ive done it (not always but a couple of times)

and you can wash every part that needs to be washed

the trick is to use very little water for each part but rub it in properly.
you'll be amazed at how little water is actually required for wudhu

May Allah help me to overcome this laziness insha Allah

[asharee_salafi]

http://www.islamtoday.com/showme2.cfm?cat_id=33&sub_cat_id=913

Salaam brother AZ

What does the link mean whereby the Prophet SAW Said that a certain individual should do their wudu again because he missed something the size of a fingernail on his foot

I have heard that the size has not been specified, is this an addition to the hadeeth in english by Islaam today? i.e when they say it was the size of a fingernail?

[trojan-hunter]

since ur on wudu....how does or is the sunnah way to wipe long hair in wudu...since ur only allowed one wipe and its right hard to wipe every hair on the surface when its long to ur shioulders.....also if one has their hair platted/braided (small streaks) how does that effect rheir wudhu and ghusl?
jk