your views on extra terestrials

[gag order]

does islam or do our scholars past and present have a view on extra terestrials and the possibility of life on other planets that may support it?

or do you have an opinion on this?

who are they?

what are they?

what do they want?

and why do they keep attacking america?


discuss....................................

[Ibn Adam]

your views on extra terestrials

I think Tony Blair should confess to being one.

[Umm Ahmed]

Why do they keep attacking America ?

Because America said they are terrorists and are secretly planning an invasion to their planet.

[aburasheed]

There are humans and there are jinns. There are from one of those two, no ET.

[ibn 'abd al-jabbaar]

as-salaamu 'alaikum..

well... in the US even those coming from across the border (i.e. mexico) are referred to as "illegal aliens" ... :p

[Mansoor Ali]

"Gag Order" said does islam or do our scholars past and present have a view on extra terestrials and the possibility of life on other planets that may support it?

or do you have an opinion on this?

Shaykh 'Umar Al-Ashqar wrote a book called "The World of the Jinn and Devils". He said that UFOs have been seen flying or on land, and even non-human creatures have been seen emerging from them.

He said that there is no scope to deny the existence of strange creatures. Sightings of such creatures have occured over the last two thousand years.

Shaykh Al-Ashqar said such vehicles have been known to travel faster than what humans have been able to produce.

He then said that such beings are the jinn. They have superior abilities, including movement. They have the ability to take on different shapes.

[Ibn Abul Ma'ali]

The basic premise is that, anything which is not specifically mentioned in the Qur'and & Sunnah, but at the same time does not contradict the Qur'an & Sunnah, we can neither confirm or reject it.

Like dinosaurs. We do not have specific textual evidence to say they existed, but there is evidence to say they did exist, so we can affirm their existance, as it does not contradict our belief in the creation of Allah.
The same goes for Extra Terrestrials and for Evolution, and by that I am not including the human aspect, but within the animal and plant kingdoms. The process of change and adaptation of animals and plants according to their habitat.

But most importantly of all is that how does it affect our relationship with Allah (swt)? These are extra things which add to our knowledge about the beauty of creation, but not something we need to spend hours on end debating and researching, as it won't bring us any closer to Jannah.

Wa Jazzakum Allahu Khiaran

Wassalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah

Ibn Abul Ma'ali

[waziri]

The basic premise is that, anything which is not specifically mentioned in the Qur'and & Sunnah, but at the same time does not contradict the Qur'an & Sunnah, we can neither confirm or reject it.

Like dinosaurs. We do not have specific textual evidence to say they existed, but there is evidence to say they did exist, so we can affirm their existance, as it does not contradict our belief in the creation of Allah.
The same goes for Extra Terrestrials and for Evolution, and by that I am not including the human aspect, but within the animal and plant kingdoms. The process of change and adaptation of animals and plants according to their habitat.

But most importantly of all is that how does it affect our relationship with Allah (swt)? These are extra things which add to our knowledge about the beauty of creation, but not something we need to spend hours on end debating and researching, as it won't bring us any closer to Jannah.

Wa Jazzakum Allahu Khiaran

Wassalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah

Ibn Abul Ma'ali


Asalamualaykum,,

Yes good points akhi,

I thnk they are jinns playing with people maybe to distract them from the worshp of Allah subhana wa ta ala but then again this is all mere speculation Allah knows best what they are it could be that some peopel hallucinate or are just plain crazy and see things.

I do want to ask about something though,does anyone know if there is anything reported authentically from the rasul of Allah salalahu alahi wasalam with regards to Sleep paralysis,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

wasalam

[Ibn Abul Ma'ali]

I do want to ask about something though,does anyone know if there is anything reported authentically from the rasul of Allah salalahu alahi wasalam with regards to Sleep paralysis,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

wasalam

Wa Alaikum Assalaam

I can tell you from personal experience. Once when I was sitting infront of the PC, it was late, and I fell asleep on my chair. My neck moved back wards. I must have been out for about 30 minutes. But when I woke up, my eyes opened, but I couldn't move my neck upright. It was like being paralysed. I was in that state for about a minute or 2 maybe, but then I finally was able to awaken fully and straighten my neck. It was a very wierd experience.

Wassalamu Alaikum

Ibn Abul Ma'ali

[waziri]

Do you think that was sleep paralaysis?

It's hapened to me once a few years ago thats why I asked,I woke up in the middle of the night and couldnt move I tried to say something but nothing was coming out,I had this strong feeling of a presence like there was something in the room with me and this was a really strong feeling which I cant explain.

Anyhow I started to say bismillah (I started to think it as I couldnt speak)and then whatever it was went away by the mercy of Allah the most high.

Its never happened to me again mashaAllah (hope it never does inshaAllah)

wasalam

[gag order]

sleep paralyses was an explanation given in a discovery channel documentary attempting explain the phenomenon of 'alien abduction'. based on numerous accounts of abductees who floated out of the bedroom window they all had something in common:

they were:

unable to speak
unable to move
felt a presence
fear

and some more observations that i do not remember.

also, depending on the orientation of the person the presence felt was either

the devil experienced by christian subjects
aliens experienced by humanist subjects

[aburasheed]

Do you think that was sleep paralaysis?

It's hapened to me once a few years ago thats why I asked,I woke up in the middle of the night and couldnt move I tried to say something but nothing was coming out,I had this strong feeling of a presence like there was something in the room with me and this was a really strong feeling which I cant explain.

Anyhow I started to say bismillah (I started to think it as I couldnt speak)and then whatever it was went away by the mercy of Allah the most high.

Its never happened to me again mashaAllah (hope it never does inshaAllah)

wasalam
Don't forget your night adhkar before you sleep. Esp. Ayatul Kursi, protection against shaitan la'natu Allah.

Abu Hurairah narrated:
“The Messenger of Allaah (sa) appointed me to guard the Ramadaan zakaah. Someone came and started taking some of the food. I grabbed hold of him and said, ‘I am going to take you to the Messenger of Allaah (sa)!’ He said, ‘Let me be, for I am in need and I have children and am in great need.’ So I let him go.
The following morning, the Prophet (sa) said, ‘O Abu Hurayrah, what did your prisoner do last night?’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, he complained of being in great need and having children to look after, so I took pity on him and let him go.’ He said, ‘But he was lying, and he will be back.’
So I knew that he would come back, because of what the Messenger of Allaah (sa) had said. I lay in wait for him, and he came and started taking some of the food. I grabbed hold of him and said, ‘I am going to take you to the Messenger of Allaah (sa)!’ He said, ‘Let me be, for I am in need and I have children. I will not come back again.’ So I took pity on him and let him go.
The following morning, the Prophet (sa) asked again, ‘O Abu Hurayrah, what did your prisoner do last night?’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, he complained of being in great need and having children to look after, so I took pity on him and let him go.’ He said, ‘But he was lying, and he will be back.’
So I lay in wait for him on the third night, and he came and started taking some of the food. I grabbed hold of him again and said, ‘I am going to take you to the Messenger of Allaah (sa)! This is the third and last time. You said that you would not come back, then you did come back.’ He said, ‘Let me go, and I will teach you some words by which Allaah will benefit you.’ I said, ‘What are they?” He said, ‘When you lie down in your bed, recite Aayat al-Kursiy, “Allaah! Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists…” [al-Baraqah 2:255 – interpretation of the meaning] until the end of the aayah, then you will have a protector from Allaah and no shaytaan (devil) will come near you until morning comes.’ Then I let him go.
The following morning, the Prophet (sa) said, ‘What did your prisoner do last night?’ I said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, he claimed that he would teach me some words by which he said Allaah would benefit me, then I let him go.’ He asked, ‘What are they?’ I said, ‘He told me, when you lie down in your bed, recite Aayat al-Kursiy, from the beginning to the end of the aayah, “Allaah! Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists…” [al-Baraqah 2:255 – interpretation of the meaning]. And he told me, you will have a protector from Allaah and no shaytaan (devil) will come near you until morning comes.’ And they [the Sahaabah] were always keen to do good.’
The Prophet (sa) said: ‘He indeed told you the truth, although he is a liar. Do you know who you have been speaking with for the past three nights, O Abu Hurayrah?’ I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘That was a shaytaan (a devil)!!’” [Bukhari]

[Mansoor Ali]

Possible pictures of a meeting with a materialised demon/jinn:

http://www.jamescasbolt.com/page2_files/image3121.gif
http://www.jamescasbolt.com/page2_files/image3241.gif

[waziri]

Don't forget your night adhkar before you sleep. Esp. Ayatul Kursi, protection against shaitan la'natu Allah.

JazakAllah khair akhi

[gag order]

br mansoor, are you sure they are not clips from the sci-fi TV series 'dark skies'? and dont you think its a bit odd that such over the top government secrets are freely distributed by conspiracy nuts without censure especially when it comes from people who's business is disinformation?

[Mansoor Ali]

Lecture by Phil Schneider, 1995.

Phil Schneider was an ex-government engineer who was involved in building underground bases. He was one of few people to survive the 1979 fight between materialised demons/jinn and U.S. forces at Dulce underground base.

He was murdered by the U.S. government after giving the following lecture:

"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, and I would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not believe it was so.

To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went through engineering school. Half of my school was in that field, and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States that have some significance as far as what is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico. I was involved in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation. Sixty-six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that firefight. I was there.

"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very unbelievable."

"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a treaty with aliens/jinn. It was called the 1954 Greada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens/jinn involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliensjinn altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality, and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found outselves amidst a large cavern that was full of aliens/jinn. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all of them got killed. We had surpised a whole underground base of existing aliens/jinn. Later, we found out that they had been living on our planet for a long time. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts.

"Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that.

"I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of peculiar spacecraft."

There are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The budget from the U.S. Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million. You couldn't buy the spare parts for these black programs for that amount. The black budget is roughly $1.3 trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A trillion dollars weighs 11 tons. Contractors of sleath programs are: EG&G, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison- Knudson, Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, Mitsubishi Industries, Rider Trucks, Bechtel, I.G. Farben, plus a host of hundreds more.

"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon stealth weaponry. By the way, none of the stealth program would have been available if we had not taken apart crashed alien/jinn disks. I believe our government officials have sold us down the drain - lock, stock and barrel. Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by the U.S. government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the highest in the world.

"The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the United States. For every hour that goes by, there is one being built. Is this the proper use of our money? What does the federal government need 64,000 tactical helicopters for, if they are not trying to enslave us. I doubt if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I doubt if all the world needs that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth aircraft loaded with LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging radar. They can see you walking from room to room when they fly over your house. They see objects in the house from the air with a variation limit of 1 inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate that is.

Eleven of my best friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called "suicides." Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a friend down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains in order to get to Needles, California, and I was followed by two government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a couple of occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they were. I cut up my security card and sent it back to the government, and told them if I was threatened, and I have been, that I was going to upload 140,000 pages of documentation to the internet about government structure and the whole plan."

[Ibn Adam]

Is that a wig that the Jinn's wearing under his hat? [second photo]

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

I can't help but feel that under all of the funny stuff that the "conspiracy theorists" come up with about aliens (and whatever is going on between them and the governments of some western countries) that there is a shade of truth behind it. As they say, there's no smoke without fire.

I had read a lot about alien encounters, long before I entered Islam. Some time after becoming a Muslim, I was thinking about these things after I had read some things about the jinn, and I was quite amazed at the similarities between the descriptions of the jinn, their nature and their abilities, and what I had read from the acocunts of people who said they had been abducted by "aliens". I immediately concluded that the "aliens" and the jinn must be one and the same thing.

And another interesting point: According to some people, the "aliens" do not come from another planet, they actually live here on earth, under the ground or in very out of the way places.

And according to the accounts of the "abductees", there are many different groups of these aliens, and some of them fight with each other. Some are generally good, others are more unfriendly.

All of this is not inconsistent with what we have been told by Allah and His Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam, about the jinn.

Regarding the aliens and their apparently highly advanced technology: We all know the massive technological advancement that humans have made in the short space of 100 years until now. Why is it not impossible that the jinn have also advanced in whatever technology they might happen to have?

[gag order]

We all know the massive technological advancement that humans have made in the short space of 100 years until now. Why is it not impossible that the jinn have also advanced in whatever technology they might happen to have?

interesting,
are there any examples from islamic literature that indicate that the jinns use tools/devices of their own making?

[aburasheed]

interesting,
are there any examples from islamic literature that indicate that the jinns use tools/devices of their own making?

I got the impression that Jinn have less intelligence compared to human. They seems to have low self esteem, they are strong, they move fast, they love it when human fear or in awe them.

Some examples:

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4:533, Narrated Jabi bin 'Abdullah Radiyallāhu'anhu

The Prophet (SAW) said, "Cover your utensils and tie your water skins, and close your doors and keep your children close to you at night, as the Jinns spread out at such time and snatch things away. When you go to bed, put out your lights, for the mischief-doer (i.e. the rat) may drag away the wick of the candle and burn the dwellers of the house."

Maybe because they are moving so fast, and don't want to take time, or they can't seems to figure out how to open utensils.

The humans are created khalifah for all the creation on earth.

[waziri]

interesting,
are there any examples from islamic literature that indicate that the jinns use tools/devices of their own making?

Well the jinn that used to work for Sulaiman Alayhi salam I assume were using some form of tools to dig out the metals from the mines.

Sh Yasir Qadhi has mentioned that the jinn although inteligent are not as clever as humans and that they are of a more animalistic nature.


wasalam

[Abu_Abdillah2000]

interesting,
are there any examples from islamic literature that indicate that the jinns use tools/devices of their own making?

There is a hadith in which making istinja' with bones has been prohibited because bones are the food for jinn and their animals.

So presumably the jinn have animals that they ride on that we can't see. It is not unreasonable to suppose that they might have also developed their own forms of technology that we can't see.

I mean, humans also used to ride animals a long time ago, now we have cars, planes and so on.

[Mansoor Ali]

Amazing 21 second film of UFOs :

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1186752934

[Scented Blood]

Its amazing that they can develop hi-tech super flying machines to travel millions of light years to come to earth but just cant get the landing right and end up crashing!

[Mansoor Ali]

Its amazing that they can develop hi-tech super flying machines to travel millions of light years to come to earth but just cant get the landing right and end up crashing!

One of the "Alien"/jinn spacecraft crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, U.S. in the 1940's. Phil Schneider, who was murdered by the U.S. government in January 1996, worked on building deep underground military bases in America. These bases are staffed by humans and "Aliens"/jinn.

These bases are vital for The New World Order.

In one of his lectures he showed a piece of the skin of the demon spacecraft which crashed in Roswell. After at least 13 unsuccessful murder attempts the U.S. government finally managed to murder him.

[MosDef]

Amazing 21 second film of UFOs :

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833_1186752934

Mansoor bro, that video was funny lol, they looked like my kids toys...

[Mansoor Ali]

The U.S. government has many flying saucer bases. The spaceships are operated by jinn who have lived on earth for hundreds of thousands of years. I watched a lecture by Fritz Springmeier where he mentioned a person very high up in the U.S. government chain of command took a photo of the inside of the spacecraft that he flew in with the demons/jinn.

Phil Schneider mentioned that the F-117 stealth bomber is made with material borrowed from "alien"/jinn technology.

Please read the following book to understand the reality of UFOs:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/islamicbookstore-com_1959_312227925

[Mansoor Ali]

Former High Level Illuminati Member
on UFOs & Aliens

http://www.illuminati-news.com/111906a.htm

[WM]

...Abuz Zubair should re-name this part of the forum 'conspiracy corner'.

[Mansoor Ali]

There are many tie-ins between UFO's, satanism and the New World Order. Centuries ago the demonologist John Dee conjured for his enochian magic a demon which looks just like a small grey alien pictured so often today. The beings which people call aliens are materialised demons.

For more information, see the following book:

http://www.simplyislam.com/images/products/55320.jpg

The book is by Umar Al-Ashqar.

[Mansoor Ali]

Interview with UFO researcher John Lear

PART ONE

http://www.projectcamelot.net/john_lear_study_med.jpg

This is the F-19 which is supposed not to exist. John insists that this is flown covertly by the Navy.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/F_19_sm.jpg

What happened was as soon as we sat down was that John immediately started talking about not the three astronauts that were killed in the fire on the Apollo launch pad on January 27th, 1967, but four astronauts. There was a 4th astronaut whose existence has never been admitted by NASA. The whole thing has been covered up for very specific reasons... and here's John to tell his story.

The 4th Apollo Astronaut / The Secret Astronaut Corps

John Lear: It’s the best kept secret. Now figure all the guys in Mission Control... they were all like between 25 and 35. It’s been 40 years, so now they’re between 65 and 75, so a lot of them are still living.

Kerry Cassidy: You’re saying they knew what happened?

J: Oh, absolutely. I mean, they were all there. They heard.

The emails that I’ve gotten from Clark on it, you know, are very circumspect, very careful about what he says. But in my mind, he’s been trying, totally, to tell what happened, without saying so in so many words. And basically what I asked him was, “What was the name of the fourth astronaut?” And he never gave it to me, but I found out from other sources who it was. So…

K: Are you at liberty to say?

J: No, and the reason is because I want somebody to come to me and say, ”I know who it was,” and then say the name.

K: Wow, Cool. If we think we know, we could email you, maybe?

J: Absolutely. So what’s so interesting about... the reason they couldn’t talk about the 4th astronaut... and of course, when the fire happened NSA cordoned off everything for 45 minutes while they took that body out. And then they opened it up and then that’s when the official investigation started. Read through all the scenarios. You can see where that 45 minutes fit into there. Now the reason they didn’t want anyone to know about the body is because he was part of the secret astronaut corps. So… now, if anybody had found out about that body, they would have wondered... who was he, what was his name, what did he do? How come he wasn’t listed here? It would have exposed the entire cover-up. So that’s why they couldn't ....

K: So that secret astronaut corps was a huge secret. I interviewed Gary McKinnon and he tapped into that.

J: He was telling us all about it! I don’t know why people don’t put that together!

K: Yeah, that’s beautiful, that’s beautiful.

J: Gary’s got the whole story there. It was so interesting that Gary would come out at the same time that I uncovered the 4th astronaut.

K: Oh, really? At the same time?

J: Well, it was the same timeframe, plus or minus a couple of months. So, Gary…. boy, I’d sure like to talk to that guy. He talks about the non-terrestrial officers and… I mean, the story just fits together.

[Mansoor Ali]

Interview with UFO researcher John Lear

PART TWO

K: And what you know about Dulce? And I know that people are saying, you know, the Bennewitz story just didn’t happen. And then I know that you confirmed that it did, that Bennewitz was correct.

J: He was, and I got into that when I first got into this UFO deal. Tom Adams was one of the chargers on weird UFO stuff, mutilations. he handed me a note. He said, “John, somebody called me from Las Vegas. And you might want to follow this up because I can’t do it.”

And… it was a hand-written note about a place called Dulce and the person knew somebody that worked there and talked about Dulce. And the thing I remember about the note was it says, “Hallways, down hallways that went on forever.” Boy, this captured my imagination. So anyway, I go with Linda Howe to Albuquerque and we talk with Ernie Edwards. He said he believed Bennewitz. You know, he talked about during that time when our radar was shut down for a long period. And I said, ”What do you think happened?” And he said, “I think we brought a black ship through there and they didn’t want it on radar.” And I said, “How can you, a colonel – an acting colonel in the Air Force – say something like that?” And he said, “That’s what I believe.”

So anyway, and then we talked about all kinds of stuff and then Linda and I went down to… drove down to Roswell, and that was an interesting trip. We’re driving down to Roswell, and we’re about 10 miles north of Corona and here comes this A-7, just coming down and buzzing us and everything. And I looked at her and said, “Linda, how can this be happening to us?” I know those A-7s. They’re part of the F117A Stealth Fighter squadron up at Tonopah. Anyway, we turn off at Corona, and we go over this little road, then a dirt road over towards the main road that comes down from the highway to Roswell. We get just before the turnoff that goes down to Mac Brazel’s ranch, and we’re bumping along and here’s one dead cow and then another dead cow, then another dead cow.

[Mansoor Ali]

Interview with UFO researcher John Lear

PART THREE

Bob Lazar and Area 51

http://www.projectcamelot.net/bob_lazar_sm.jpg

J: I met Bob here in the summer of 1988. We talk. He thinks me and Gene are totally nuts. He said he worked at Los Alamos. He said if there had been anything about UFOs, he would have known. He said, “You guys are crazy,” and he sat there rolling his eyes at all this stuff we were talking about. So over the next few months we started giving him information and one of the things we gave him was where we thought the alien was held at at Los Alamos: YY-II. And it turns out... we told him some other stuff, I forget what it was, but there were three things we told him and he confirmed all three things. He didn’t confirm that there was an alien at YY-II but he did confirm that it was a mail stop and that it was absolutely secret, I mean, one of the big secrets. So he decided to see if he could get a job up at area 51. So he called Dr. Teller. And Bob said, “I want to work at Area 51.” And Teller says, “Let me see what I can do.”

Bob said, “John, I saw a disk today.” And I looked up and said, “What?” And he said, “I saw a disk today.” I said, “Theirs or ours?” He said, “Theirs.” I said, “You went to Area 51?” I said, “What are you doing here? Why didn’t you find out what’s going on and then tell me about it?” He said, “No, you’ve taken so much crap over this thing that I tell you I saw it. It’s all real.”

So we spent a couple hours here. And he said, “I will answer your questions. I can’t volunteer information.” He made me ask questions. Then we went outside, stood outside and looked up at the stars and I said, “Well, if I want to go to Zeta Reticuli, do I go [gesturing in different directions]… which way do I go?” He said, “This way.” [gesturing to the right] and was saying how they take off.

He says, “John, you’ll never know what it’s like to see your first alien(jinn).” I said, “You saw him? He’s alive?” He said, “Yep.” And he told me the circumstances, that he was being led down a corridor, escorted by guards on each side. I have a drawing here of when he told me that. What he said... he said there was a door. He said it had a regular square window about 12 inches by 12 inches with wire going through and inside he saw the back of the Gray, standing with his back towards him, and talking to two scientists.

[Mansoor Ali]

Phil Schneider, survivor of the battle between Humans & Aliens/Jinn in 1979, talks about deep underground bases. He was murdered by the U.S. government in 1996.

PART ONE

"...Part of what I'm going to tell you is going to be unbelievable"


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PART TWO


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[Mansoor Ali]

PART THREE

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[Mansoor Ali]

PART FOUR

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[Magoo]

bro mansoor, do you actually believe in extra terrestials??

p.s. im not taking the mickey, its a genuine question..

[Mansoor Ali]

bro mansoor, do you actually believe in extra terrestials??

p.s. im not taking the mickey, its a genuine question..

I believe in Jinn, as do all other Muslims. I believe the extra terrestrials are materialised demons, or jinn. The subject of UFOs and aliens or extra terrestrials is something I have researched for over four years. The extra terrestrials/jinn have lived on earth for hundreds of thousands of years.

Here are some truths which I don't expect believe to believe when they haven't done enough research:

1) Extra terrestrial/jinn spacecraft crashed in New Mexico, U.S. in the 1940s.In some of his lectures Phil Schneider showed a piece of the skin of the spacecraft that was retrieved in Roswell, New Mexico.

2) The U.S. government made treaties with extra terrestrials/jinn which called for the kidnapping of humans for enzymes and glandular secretions for food, in exchange for technology.

3) The U.S. govenment and extra terrestrials/jinn have lots of deep underground military bases which contain extra terrestrials/jinn spacecraft.

4) The Russian government used to shoot down extra terrestrials/jinn spacecraft regularly.

5) Some of the technology used in stealth fighters and Phoenix class nuclear powered submarines have been borrowed from extra terrestrials/jinn technology.

6) When the nuclear bomb was tested in Bikini Atoll in the Pacific extra terrestrials/jinn spacecraft were seen fleeing the area.

7) Phil Schneider, who worked as an engineer on the U.S. government's top secret projects, showed a picture of an extra terrestrial/jinn inside the Pentagon who had worked for the U.S. government for over 50 years.

8) Phil Schneider was one of a few surivors of the battle between humans and extra terrestrials/jinn in the underground base in Dulce, New Mexico, U.S. in 1979.

9) Phil Schneider was invited to attend a U.N. meeting, a very classified one which wasn't held in the U.N. building in New York, but in a deep underground military base. The facility had all of the layout like the one that is in New York. There was an extra row of chairs above the rest. Everybody went in there and then the final group went in, and sat at this upper tier of chairs, and they were all tall grays - extra terrestrials/jinn.

10) Phil Schneider & others have been murdered for revealing the extra terrestrial/jinn presence on earth.

[Mansoor Ali]

An alleged attempt at an interview with an alien/jinn at area 51

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2812084192530401757&q=alien+at+area+51&total=224&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3