sisters studying medicine

[UmmMusab]

Salaam

Hope you are all in the best of health. I haven't been here for MONTHS! Last time I was here I was in a dilemma on whether I should wear niqab, and whether I should study Pharmacy, lol.

However, now I'm in another dilemma now! here we go...... Alhamdullilah I have been given an offer to study medicine, but wanted to know what the Islamic ruling on this for sisters, given the fact that the course will require me to study the some rather embarassing things (i.e. the males genitals) in a mixed environment.

What would you guys advice?

I really wanna do this for the Ummah, as I think it would be an excellent skill to take abroad if i perform hijrah in the future INSHALLAH.

Jazakallah khayr.

UmmMusab. :)

[defenderofbusharraf]

i am a 3rd year medical student and i can tell u its not really a problem for the sisters as such. whenever sensitive subjects like that came up in the first 2 years, which r mainly the basic medical sciences, the sisters just didnt attend the lectures. cuz the thing is, u can easily read it all in a book in ur own time. no need to attend a mixed environment if u dont want.

come to think of it, i dont think i remember any brothers not attending the lectures when subjects were things like female stuff. not trying to be funny or crack a joke, im being serious, it wasnt an issue for them or me actually.

as for an official fatwa from a scholar, then i dont know, but try the many online services available, just make sure its salafi hehe.

if u think u got a dilemma, u should have seen me when i was on my obstetrics rotation and present at my first birth delivery in hospital. hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aa

[Abu Ilyas]

I know of sisters who gave up studying medicine due to concerns with compatibility with Islam. Similarly, I know of sisters who finished their studies but did not take any job and did not practice Medicine due to same concerns..and I know of sisters who studied and went onto practice Medicine.

If your going to go to University anyway and you know you are gonna work after Uni then this is one of the best fields you can study as a Muslim and as a sister, the good you can do is limitless. Make firm your resolution and intention and do it insha'allah...I still regret not doing Medicine , though my situation was rather different ( I was a bit thick!), jus kiddin...

There is an organisation for Muslim Doctors/Medical Students for UK, i beleive they have a sisters contact..I'll try and find it insha'allah...they might be able to answer your concerns better.

AI

[abu_ibrahim]

defenderofhaq,

Mashallah you are a medical student. To be honest, I was a little surprised, as you don't come across as being very intelligent when you post on the forum.

[defenderofbusharraf]

defenderofhaq,

Mashallah you are a medical student. To be honest, I was a little surprised, as you don't come across as being very intelligent when you post on the forum.

more like u dont agree with my views................but in all honesty, i havent REMOTELY come across or even seen the SLIGHTEST of arguments refuting my held opinions on this forum, or even ever felt the TINIEST of thoughts to change my views.......so telling me that i dont come across as intelligent on this forum, is not saying much for the rest of the people in here. hahahahaha

kindly refrain from disrespecting so many people..............LOL.

[UmmMusab]

jazakallah for ur replies.

defenderofhaq.... is med really hard? and are u like burried in ur books 24/7 as people say med life is suppose to be? i'd be interested to know.

abuilyas.....about the organisation for Muslim Doctors/Medical Students for UK, please can u send me the contact details, jazakallah khayr, its because i wanna know more about the dress code, as i've heard of many sisters who hav had issues with the whole uniform thing and the NHS wanting them to wear scrubs instead of their jilbabs? and some sisters i know had even compromised to take their jilbabs off? does anyone know more about this issue and how ssiters shoudl go about it? as i remember when i went for work experience i had issues with the islamic dress code (khimar/jilbab) which wasnt allowed to be worn in theatre!

and "they" say how muslim women dont participate, when they make extra difficult by putting these obstacles in the way!

[defenderofbusharraf]

jazakallah for ur replies.

defenderofhaq.... is med really hard? and are u like burried in ur books 24/7 as people say med life is suppose to be? i'd be interested to know.

abuilyas.....about the organisation for Muslim Doctors/Medical Students for UK, please can u send me the contact details, jazakallah khayr, its because i wanna know more about the dress code, as i've heard of many sisters who hav had issues with the whole uniform thing and the NHS wanting them to wear scrubs instead of their jilbabs? and some sisters i know had even compromised to take their jilbabs off? does anyone know more about this issue and how ssiters shoudl go about it? as i remember when i went for work experience i had issues with the islamic dress code (khimar/jilbab) which wasnt allowed to be worn in theatre!

and "they" say how muslim women dont participate, when they make extra difficult by putting these obstacles in the way!

the medical course is not academically hard. anyone who acheives the grades that the medical schools ask of us at A levels will not find the academic component of the course hard. meaning the concepts, processes and ideas. however, u should know that there is A LOT to learn. so even though the work is not hard, the sheer volume of it becomes the problem. so u have to be very good at organising and prioritising ur work so u can effectively cover enough. but like i said, if u got good grades or r about to get good grades that the medical schools require, those skills should already be a part of u.

as for 24/7, then only in the first 2 years really, and thats due to what i just said, the workload. u got to put in some serious study. not much time for a part time job or anything else while studying this degree course.

but its not all bad, if u wanna study medicine, u obviously have an interest in the sciences and so u should enjoy what u study at uni. i found my first 2 years at medical school a lot of hard work but i enjoyed it. now i am doing clinicals, TRUST ME, it so much easier. less book work and more dossing around.

if ur prepared to put the effort in, u will not regret medicine insha allah. but make sure u know that its not like other degree courses where u got lectures only twice a week or a tutorial once a week or whatever.....u gotta work every day, no cramming for exams, consistent effort.
insha allah u make the right choice.
w/salam

[Abuz Zubair]

this just proves that medicine is all about how much you can retain, rather than understand, a reason I never liked biology or such subjects.

[Husain]

this just proves that medicine is all about how much you can retain, rather than understand, a reason I never liked biology or such subjects.
Some brothers say that this is the system nearly all sciences are taught in Arabic countries.

- Husain.

[Abuz Zubair]

Unfortunately, only during the past few centuries...

Otherwise, subjects like Mustalah, Usul and Fiqh cannot simply be memorised, they need to be understood, thoroughly.

In the past, the jurists would debate their students before giving them the ijaza to give fatwas... These jurists would practise their ijtihad, albeit, restricted to various levels, depending on their expertise. Point being that intellectually we were very objective, vibrant and liberal, before we were inflicted with the plague (or curse) of taqlid.

[Fajr]

as i've heard of many sisters who hav had issues with the whole uniform thing and the NHS wanting them to wear scrubs instead of their jilbabs? and some sisters i know had even compromised to take their jilbabs off? does anyone know more about this issue and how ssiters shoudl go about it?
Going into nursing with a jilbab is a big problem but not medicine. The NHS, when it comes to Nursing for some reason lay heavy claim to Health and Safety but I personally know sisters who did everything they could to prove that the Islamic dress was in no way a detriment to their capabilities (this matter even reached high court). In the end, it wasn't going anywhere and many sisters were not going to compromise... so many of them just left.

Medicine on the other hand allows you to wear hijab/jilbaab (I speak for London unis/hospitals), but they have a problem with niqaab in the hospitals and on your clinicals as they have policies on doctor/patient interactions etc. I think before applying to universities, its best to research their policies on this issue and get a written confirmation from them just in case they start acting up in a few years or so.

[Abu Ilyas]

jazakallah for ur replies.

defenderofhaq.... is med really hard? and are u like burried in ur books 24/7 as people say med life is suppose to be? i'd be interested to know.

abuilyas.....about the organisation for Muslim Doctors/Medical Students for UK, please can u send me the contact details, jazakallah khayr, its because i wanna know more about the dress code, as i've heard of many sisters who hav had issues with the whole uniform thing and the NHS wanting them to wear scrubs instead of their jilbabs? and some sisters i know had even compromised to take their jilbabs off? does anyone know more about this issue and how ssiters shoudl go about it? as i remember when i went for work experience i had issues with the islamic dress code (khimar/jilbab) which wasnt allowed to be worn in theatre!

and "they" say how muslim women dont participate, when they make extra difficult by putting these obstacles in the way!

Ill try to look for the contact info. for you insha'allah...gimme couple of days.

[mizbah]

Assalamaualaykkum,
I am a nephrologist by profession .It is not a big deal to learn medicine and i don't think women studying medicine is not an issue if they keep the modesty islam demands

rgds

[gag order]

intellectually we were very objective, vibrant and liberal, before we were inflicted with the plague (or curse) of taqlid.

well observed

[gag order]

defenderofhaq,

Mashallah you are a medical student. To be honest, I was a little surprised, as you don't come across as being very intelligent when you post on the forum.

well observed, defenderofhaq, its not so much your views but the way you present them, for a forum such as this its too 'street'

[defenderofbusharraf]

well observed, defenderofhaq, its not so much your views but the way you present them, for a forum such as this its too 'street'


wat do u mean forum such as this? its a net forum, i am hardly submitting a final thesis!

[UmmMusab]

Salaam
Jazakallah khair for all ur replies and advice, especially brother defenderofhaq.Please make dua for me that i get the grades and get in to the course.
wasalaam,
your sister.

[juwairiyah]

Assalamo'alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

May Allah grant u if it's good for ur deen and duniyah ameen