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4th April 2005, 01:55 PM

as-Salamu 'alaykum,

This guy claims, citing several dictionaries, that the salaf made ta'wil of "hand" to "strength".******* I am actually quite suprised by this illiterate, as the word used is "aydin", not "yad" or "aydi" or "yadayn".******* But I will keep quiet until I have proof he has lied.

"Also the traditions of ibn abbas of making taweel are numerous as mentioned in Ibn jarirs tafseer.******* Ibn abbas, including sufyan al-thawri said yadd means quwah i.e. power including other salaf as can also be seen in ibn katheers tafseer in surah 51 ayat 47 in the English trans published by darus salaam also it can be found in ibn jareers tafseer"

And also that:

"The scholars have pointed out that al-yad among the Arabs also signifies strength (al-quwwa). 

The verse "We have built the heaven with (Our) hands" (51:47) is cited in al-Hafiz al-Zabidi's massive dictionary of Arabic "Taj al-`Arus" (10:417) as an illustration that "hands" may mean "strength." Allah says: "And make mention of our bondmen, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, men of parts (literally of two hands) and vision" (38:45) meaning, "men possessing strength." 

It also means ownership (al-mulk) as Allah said: "Lo! the bounty is in Allah's hand" (3:73). It also means favor, as it is said: "So-and-so has a hand over so-and-so," to mean that he owes him a favor. It also means a kind of link, as Allah said: "Or he agrees to forego it in whose hand is the marriage tie" (2:237).The Prophet himself (Allah bless him and give him peace) used hand as a figure of speech in the rigorously authenticated (sahih) hadith, Al-Muslimu man salima l-Muslimuna min lisanihi wa yadih " The Muslim is he who the Muslims are safe from his tongue and his hand," where hand means anything within his power to do to themAllah's hand is His strength in His saying: "Allah's hand is over their hand" (48:10) and His generosity in His saying: "Nay, both His hands are spread wide, and He bestows as He wills" (5:64).[Ibn al-Jawzi interpreted the former verse as Allah's favor (ni`ma) and power (qudra), and the latter, according to Hasan al-Basri, as His kindness and goodness.]( Ibn al-Jawzi, Daf` shubah al-tahsbih p. 115s *******



Imam al-Ghazali says of the word hand: "One should realize that hand may mean two different things. The first is the primary lexical sense; namely, the bodily member composed of flesh, bone, and nervous tissue. Now, flesh, bone, and nervous tissue make up a specific body with specific attributes; meaning, by body, something of an amount (with height, width, depth) that prevents anything else from occupying wherever it is, until it is moved from that place. Or [secondly] the word may be used figuratively, in another sense with no relation to that of a body at all: as when one says, "The city is in the leader’s hands," the meaning of which is well understood, even if the leader’s hands are missing, for example (al-Ghazali, Iljam al-‘awam ‘an ‘ilm al-kalam [Beirut: Dar al-Kitab al-‘Arabi, 1406/1985] "

What is surely ironic is that in quotes from Imam at-Tirmithi and Abu 'Uthman as-Sabuni and Abu Hanifah and many others, it is said that those who*******turn "hand"*******into "power" are from the Jahmiyya- so maybe this Jahmi should re-asess his situation.*******

4th April 2005, 01:59 PM

SPUBs did a radd saying:

"Thirdly, concerning the Jahmee's lie against Allaah - the Most High - and His saying: 

And we constructed the Heaven with power (bi aidin)... [Dhaariyaat 51:47] 

The tafseer of Tabaree and the reports that the Jahmee quotes from the Salaf explain 'aidin' to mean 'power' which is what it indeed does mean and it can be found in any dictionary under alif yaa daa. Nor is there any contradiction between it and between aayaat affirming Allaahs Hands (aidee and yadaan) 

Do they not see that We have created for them of what Our Hands (aideena) have created... [Soorah Yaa Seen 36:71] 

Nay, both His Hands (yadaahu) are outstretched [Soorah Maa'idah 5:64] 

So from the foolishness of the Ash'ariyyah - to which this Jahmee ascribes himself - is that they also declare that Allaah's Hand (yad) has to be explained to mean his Power!! So then what about His Two Hands?! Two powers?! 

Furthermore, this is rebutted by the aayah where it is mentioned that Allaah created Adam with His Two Hands. Abu Hasan al-Ash'aree stated in his Maqaalaat: "...And that He has Two Hands without asking how, just as He has said: 

(Allaah said): O Iblees! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with My Two Hands?" [Soorah Sa'd 38:75] 

And also, the hadeeth of intercession where Aadam is being addressed as the one whom Allaah created with His Hand[22]. And likewise the hadeeth wherein it is mentioned that: "On the Day of Resurrection, Allaah will grasp the (whole planet of) Earth by His Hand all the heavens in His Right, and then He will say: I am the King".

But from the deception and corruption of this vile and lowly Jahmee is that in his lecture, he translated the aayah in question as: "And the sky, We have built with Hands, verily We outspread it." 

Translating 'aidin' as 'Hands' instead of 'power' (which is what it actually means in this verse) enabling himself thereby, to justify his falsehood that the Salaf have done ta'weel of this aayah because they explain it to mean 'with power' and by claiming that at-Tabaree has ascribed this figurative explanation (ta'weel) to Ibn Abbaas, Qataadah, Mansoor ibn Zadaana and Sufyaan ath-Thawree - free and innocent are they from the Jahmee's filth and the Jahmee and his filth from them, as Yoosuf (alaihi-salaam) was from the wife of al-Azeez. The Jahmee is obviously ignorant or feigning ignorance of the fact that 'aidin' in the language has the meaning of 'power' and that this is the natural explanation given, which is devoid of any ta'weel, and which at-Tabaree has quoted from the Salaf. "

terrorthreat

6th April 2005, 08:10 AM

I think this is a very important point that they always try to use. Can someone elaborate even more InshAllah?

Um Abdullah M.

29th April 2007, 10:19 AM

Imam Ibn Khuzaimah (d. 311) rahimah Allah said in his book (al Tawheed):

(التوحيد لابن خزيمة )
وزعم بعض الجهمية : أن معنى قوله : « خلق الله آدم بيديه » أي بقوته ، فزعم أن اليد هي القوة ، وهذا من التبديل أيضا ، وهو جهل بلغة العرب ، والقوة إنما تسمى الأيد بلغة العرب ، لا اليد ،... قد أعلمنا الله عز وجل أنه خلق السماء بأيد ، واليد واليدان غير الأيد ، إذ لو كان الله خلق آدم بأيد كخلقه السماء ، دون أن يكون الله خص خلق آدم بيديه لما قال لإبليس : ما منعك أن تسجد لما خلقت بيدي ولا شك ولا ريب : أن الله عز وجل قد خلق إبليس عليه لعنة الله أيضا بقوته .،

rough translation:
"And some of Jahmiyah claimed that the meaning of his saying 'Allah created Adam with His (two) hands' is 'His power', so he claimed that 'the hand' means power, and this is from changing (words) also, and it is ignorance of the Arabic language , and power is called in the Arab's language "Al-ayd" not "al-yad" ..... Allah has informed us that he created the heaven (As-sama') with (Ayd) power, and (al-yad) the hand and (al-yadan) the two hands are different than (al-ayd) power; for if Allah created Adam with ayd like he created the heaven, without favouring the creation of Adam with His (two) hands He (Allah) wouldn't have said to Iblees: (ما منعك أن تسجد لما خلقت بيدي - (Allâh) said: 'O Iblîs (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands 38:75' , and there is no doubt that Allah Azza wa Jal has created Iblees (Allah's curse be upon him) also with His power.

Um Abdullah M.

29th April 2007, 10:39 AM

also check

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/showpost.php?p=12138&postcount=39