September 11th - Separating the Truth from the Lies

[Mansoor Ali]

The official story is:

1. On the morning of September 11th four Boeing passenger jets were hijacked within an hour by nineteen Arab terrorists armed with boxcutters.
2. Pilots among these terrorists took control of the Boeings and changed course toward targets in New York City and Washington D.C.
3. Two of the Boeings were deliberately crashed into the Twin Towers, causing raging fires within which melted the steel supporting structures, thereby causing the buildings to collapse completely.
4. A third Boeing was deliberately crashed into the Pentagon.
5. Passengers on the fourth plane overpowered the hijackers and caused the plane to crash in Pennsylvania.
6. This was an attack on America and it was planned and directed by Usama bin Laden as the leader of Al-Qa'idah, a previously obscure international organization composed of Arabs.

The official story provides almost nothing more. We are simply expected to believe it without question.

A nation (and world) in shock largely accepted this story, since it did appear to provide some explanation. Even those who considered this explanation hard to believe were inclined to believe it because on September 11th there seemed no other explanation — and the President of the United States and all mainstream news sources in the U.S. were telling the world that this is how it was.

However, the official story does not withstand critical examination. It is a deliberate lie, designed to fool the American people and the rest of the world.

The official story expects us to believe that these alleged nineteen on-board hijackers acquired the necessary flying skills from training courses and flight manuals, flew them expertly to their targets and flying with the skill of a trained military pilot in the case of the jet which, allegedly, hit the Pentagon, met no opposition from the U.S. Air Force responsible for safeguarding America's airspace.

If you examine the evidences, you can see that the attack on September 11th was carried out by the American Government.

[khattab]

I don`t know. Laters Osama Bin Laden was talking in a tape called 19 lions and saying that attack was carried out by 19 brave mujahideen.

[Ghaznavi]

This story is a fraction of the truth, I'll upload some info later

and by the way, how easy is it for the CIA to record someone's voice and change it to match the Shiekh's

But if he was responsible then I congratulate him

[khattab]

http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/islam/2002/12/a14122002.html

[Ghaznavi]

Tell me about Commander Khatab

seems Chechen

[abu abdallah]

After all this time you don't know about commander Khattab??? Where have you been?

Khattab was from the Arabian Peninsula ("Saudi" Arabia) and he was the ameer of the foreign mujahideen in Chechnya before he was assassinated by poison 2 years ago.

[Ghaznavi]

ok

I did a HUGE assignment on Chechnya, and I never saw one site mention Commander Khattab,

[walid]

Ghaznavi brother khattab was one of the most amazing warriors of our time, he has appeared in numerous video's etc he was leader of the chechnyan mujhadeen,

visit

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/

go to the english section and then video you will find numerous video clips see the janazah of khattab, this man is really well know!!
May Allah give him paradise and may our sisters produce sons like khattab.

There are many full length videos with him ambushing russians if you want copy then just give an address and it will be sent no money needed, these videos are very common and amazing to watch.

[Mansoor Ali]

Going back to the subject of September 11th - Separating the Truth from the Lies

September 11th - The U.S. government not only let it happen but it was an "Inside Job". In viewing the events from the latter perspective, we find that more of the evidence fits in, and there are fewer unproductive "red herrings" to follow.

Some of the key elements that support this view include:

***** The prior training of some of the hijackers at US military facilities.

***** The fact that the World Trade Centre towers collapsed as the result of controled demolitions.

***** The uniform demolition demonstrated in the Building7 (WTC7) collapse.

***** The fact that the Pentagon attack debris shows that what hit the Pentagon could not have been a Boeing 757, therefore not Flight77.

***** The Pentagon attack damage that could have only been caused by a warhead.

***** The roughly 20 m. long 1 m. diameter cylinder under the fuselage of the plane that hit the South Tower, which seems to launch a missile just before impact - even if it was a Boeing 767 - see Sept11th footage.

***** The fact that the anthrax in the Anthrax attacks was from the US Army's bio-weapons programme, and that it's targets in the Capitol were senators who opposed the Patriot Act, and caused such a stir that the Patriot Act was passed without it even being read.

***** The ongoing cover up of 9-11 by the President and Vice-President.

***** The fact that the nineteen hijackers were not on the passenger lists of the four flights.

***** The confiscation of the recorded conversations between air traffic controllers and the pilots of the hijacked planes. This includes most of the black box data, and the truncating of the only voice data that they did allow to be heard.

***** The fact that profits of millions of dollars in trading during the last week of the World Trade Centre in American airlines & United Airlines lead directly into the hands of high ranking CIA officials.

***** The fact that Andrews air force base refused to scramble jets despite having a long notice of the hijacking of flight 77.

***** The fact that President Bush was informed of the second plane crashing into the World Trade Centre while he was at an elementary school in Sarasota, Florida, and when he knew America was under attack and he could be the next target he carried on talking to children for around another 20 minutes.

***** The fact that engineers/forensic analysts were forbidden to interview witnesses, examine the disaster site & request vital information.

***** The fact that the U.S Air Force delayed in scrambling jets after being informed of the hijackings, and once the jet fighters were up in the air they flew at a fraction of their top speed.

An Inside Job means that 9/11 was planned and staged by elements of the US government and military.

[Mansoor Ali]

Using jet fuel to melt steel is impossible. Ironworkers use acetylene torches, bottled oxygen, electric arcs from generators, electric furnaces, and other elaborate tricks, but what did these hijackers use? Jet fuel!

Let us consider: One plane full of jet fuel hit the north tower at around 8:45 a.m., and the fuel fire burned for a while with bright flames and black smoke. We can see pictures of smoke and flames shooting from the windows.

Then by 9:03 a.m. (which time was marked by the second plane's collision with the south tower), the flame was mostly gone and only black smoke continued to pour from the building. That would indicate that the first fire had died down, but something was still burning inefficiently, leaving soot (carbon) in the smoke. A fire with soot in the smoke is either low temperature or starved for oxygen -- or both.

But by 10:29 a.m., the steel supports in the building melted, causing a chain reaction within the structure that brought the building to the ground.

And with less fuel to feed the fire, the south tower collapsed only 47 minutes after the plane collision, again with complete destruction. This is only roughly half the time it took to destroy the north tower.

Many the elements of the 9-11 story are easily shown to be physically impossible:

>>> Kersosene (jet fuel) cannot melt steel.

>>>The color of the fireball in the Pentagon attack which is too "hot" to be from jet fuel (kerosene) or from an office fire.

>>>The core of the fire in the Pentagon attack went on for days, which is too "hot" to be from jet fuel (kerosene) or from an office fire.

>>>The damage in the PentagonAttackDamage which is too deep and colimated to be caused by jet fuel from an airliner crash, or from an office fire.

>>>The cell phones calls from an airplane at any significant altitude are physically impossible.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/southtowerpath1.jpg
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13. Exterior columns; 17. Interior columns; 20. Usable office space

the biggest hole in the official story about the Twin Towers: the manner of their destruction.

both towers stood for 45 to 90 minutes after impact. The official explanation, parroted faithfully by the mainstream media, is that the towers collapsed because burning jet fuel caused the steel girders supporting them to melt.

Much of the jet fuel was consumed immediately in the fireballs which erupted when the planes hit the towers. Furthermore, most of the jet fuel which managed to enter the towers was consumed within ten minutes.

Jet fuel burning in air (especially in an enclosed space within a building, where there is much smoke and little available oxygen) can't melt steel.

It is unlikely that the resulting structural weakness would be completely symmetrical .

Irregularity in an uncontrolled collapse would have produced the kind of collapse in which concrete and steel girders would have rained down over a wide area. This did not happen.

The plane hit the second tower toward a corner and comparatively little of the jet fuel entered the building, most being consumed in the fireball outside the tower.

Since the plane and its fuel initially shared a common trajectory, after impact the metallic components of the plane followed much the same path as the jet fuel. This path was through one corner of the South Tower. The steel beams bearing most of the load were located in the center of the tower, and thus most of the metal from the plane would not have hit the central steel beams, which would thus have remained largely undamaged by the impact.

The fire in the South Tower was thus less intense than that in the North Tower. But the South Tower collapsed first, at 9:59 a.m., 56 minutes after impact, whereas the North Tower collapsed at 10:29 a.m., 1 hour and 44 minutes after impact.

Or, put another way, had the fires been the cause of the collapse then the South Tower, hit after the North Tower, and subjected to a less intense fire, would have collapsed after the North Tower collapsed.

The platters were constructed of webs of steel trusses. Radial trusses ran from the perimeter of the floor to the central columns, and concentric rings of trusses connected the radial trusses, forming a pattern like a spider web.

all the joints between the platter and the central columns would have to be heated at the same rate in order to collapse at the same time — and at the same rate as the joints with the outer columns on all sides.

Neither the plane impact nor the fire damaged the two towers sufficiently to account for their collapse.

[Mansoor Ali]

According to the official story, AA Flight 77, a Boeing 757, took off from Dulles Airport in northern Virginia at 8:10 a.m bound for Los Angeles, with between 50 and 58 passengers. It flew west for about 45 minutes, making a curious detour to the north, west and south, before turning around and flying for another 45 minutes back to Washington. Why hijackers would allow a jet which they planned to crash into a target in Washington to fly for 45 minutes away from its target is not explained. Why did they not commandeer the plane ten minutes after takeoff when the plane was only ten minutes flying time from its intended target? The official story ignores this question, as it does all other questions.

As flight 77 approached the Pentagon it executed a 270-degree 7,000-foot descent over Washington while flying at 500 mph. It approached the Pentagon on a horizontal trajectory so low that it clipped the power lines across the street then (so the story goes) it smashed into an outer wall of the Pentagon.

We were told (and, of course, expected to believe without question) that this maneuver was executed by an Arab pilot, Hani Hanjour, who in August 2001 was judged by the chief flight instructor at Bowie's Maryland Freeway Airport as not having the piloting skills required to fly solo a Cessna 172 propeller driven airplane.

here is a picture of the Pentagon crash site taken about two hours after the impace, with the fire still burning. Can you see any remains of the approximately 100 tons of metal (including engines, wings and tail section) which makes up a Boeing 757?

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pelouse.jpg

What happened to the wings of the Boeing? Presumably the wings, with their engines attached, would have sheared off when they hit the sections of the building (to the left and right of the hole in the side of the building) which are obviously still standing, with many wing and tail fragments ending up on the lawn in front of the Pentagon.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/avion-incrustation.jpg

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pentmorris.jpg
the Boeing 757 (allegedly) smashed through and disappeared inside the building (leaving nothing of itself for investigators to find).

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pent04.jpg

***The damage to the Pentagon is not severe enough to have been caused by the impact of a 100-ton aircraft with a wingspan of 38 meters travelling at a speed of at least 250 mph.
***Not only is there no debris on the lawn in front of the wall but the grass shows no sign of having been burnt from the incineration of massive quantities of fuel from the (alleged) plane's ruptured tanks.
***In any aircraft crash, no matter how horrific, there are always recognizable sections of the fuselage remaining.
***Photos of the crash site reveal windows just above the entrance hole in which the glass is unbroken.

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Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?

[khattab]

If the ones who carried the attack were mossad or cia agents, why did osama bin laden praised them? Al Jazeera aired a footage called 19 Lions and in that video you could see some mujahideen having some training in Afghanistan.

Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people. [Quran 9:14]

I don`t know if those mujahideen were from Al Qeada but they were mujahideen, even osama stated that they were brave mujahideen. How did they brake 2 huge buildings only with 2 planes....Yes that`s really hard to tell but Quran has a word for that:

"You did not kill them, rather Allah killed them."

"And you did not hit (shoot) when you hit, however, Allah hit."

Maybe they destroyed the buldings with Allah's help....And why would USA do it to itself? September 11 caused USA a HUGE loss. If they wanted to could still attack Afghanistan. Didn`t they attack Iraq while the whole world was against them, they could attack Afghanistan without and excuse too. I don`t believe they would hit their own buildings and cause so much damage just to invade afghanistan.

[aziz22]

well as far as i know the so called "bush administration" want to sweep islam from this very earth which is impossible.Islam will ever be there as Allah has promised us.Nothing will conquer islam.Those against islam will Almighty Allah will pay them.No matter time will tell.

[abu abdallah]

There will always be those who hold on to conspiracy theories, basing their views on unconfirmed and doubtful "facts"...

Like in "Saudi" Arabia, every time that the Mujahideen hit a kaafir compound and kill Americans, the government always claims that only innocent Muslim bystanders were killed, and so many of the general public say: "The Mossad did it"... "the Zionists did it"... "the CIA did it"...

And like those who said that the Palestinian boy "Muhammad ad-Durrah" was killed not by Zionist soldiers but by Palestinian snipers hiding in a nearby building"!

And there are hundereds of other examples....

This is a psychological disease that affects many Muslims. I have said this before and I will say it again: Anyone who has looked into the nature of al-Qa'eda and the statements of Shaykh Usamah bin Ladin (hafidhahullah wa-nasarah) will clearly see that it was the Mujahideen who were responsible for the raids on New York and Washington.

Too many of the Muslims have this inferiority complex which makes them think that the Mujahideen are incapable of achieving anything in the way of military operations. Just think, if all of this was a Jewish conspiracy, then what were Usamah bin Laden and the Mujahideen doing all this time? Why have they not clearly and repeatedly denied their involvement in the raids?

(If you are going to quote the alleged statement of Bin Laden to al-Jazeera shortly after Sep 11 in which he "categorically denied" involvement and said that Mulla Umar doesn't allow these operations, then this alleged statement is both questionable in its authenticity as well as being contradictory to tens of other clear statements (audio and video) affirming al-Qa'eda's responsibility for the attacks.)

Before anyone starts referring to his "facts" or "evidences", then let him remember that there are so many other conspiracy theorists out there, each of whom have their own "facts" and "evidences" for their theories which all contradict each other! If we were to believe all of them then it means that we are very confused indeed!

In conclusion, I think brother "khattab's" statement best sums up the issue when he said: "And why would USA do it to itself? September 11 caused USA a HUGE loss. If they wanted to could still attack Afghanistan. Didn`t they attack Iraq while the whole world was against them, they could attack Afghanistan without and excuse too. I don`t believe they would hit their own buildings and cause so much damage just to invade afghanistan."

[Ghaznavi]

well whatever happened it was justified

[abu abdallah]

Regarding the exact nature of Usamah bin Ladin's involvement with the raids on NY and Washington, he expressed it clearly in the Oct 2001 interview with al-Jazeera's Tayseer Allouni:

"Tayseer Allouni: Sheikh, those who follow your statements and speeches may link your threats to what happened in America. To quote one of your latest statements: "I swear that America won't enjoy security before we live it for real in Palestine." It is easy for anyone following developments to link the acts to your threats.

Bin Laden: It is easy to link them.

We have agitated for this for years and we have issued statements and fatwas to that effect. This appeared in the investigations into the four young men who destroyed the American center in Ulayya in Riyadh, as disclosed and published by the Saudi government. The [Saudis] reported that they were influenced by some of the fatwas and statements that we issued. Also, apart from that, incitement continues in many meetings and has been published in the media. If they mean, or if you mean, that there is a link as a result of our incitement, then it is true. We incite because incitement is our duty today. God assigned incitement to the best of all mankind, Mohammed, who said, "Fight for the sake of God. Assign this to no one but yourself, and incite the faithful." This is a true response. We have incited battle against Americans and Jews. This is true."

[b]So Usamah was not directly behind the actual planning and organisation of the operation, because that is not his role!

This was the job of the operational planning wing of al-Qa'eda. It seems (and Allah knows better) that it was Khaled Shaykh Muhammad who played a main role in the organisation of the operation.

However, in a statement made by Usamah bin Ladin last year (I think it was on the first anniversary of the raids) he mentioned that he knew several of the nineteen Mujahideen who took part in the raids, and that they trained in his camps in Afghanistan.

If one understands something of the nature of al-Qa'eda's network, then he will understand what Usamah's role was and always has been. He is (to borrow the kuffaar's terminology) a kind of "spiritual leader" or "ideologue"... and it is his deputies who carry out their various roles: media, training, finance, preparation, implementation etc.

So anyone who says that Usamah ibn Ladin had nothing at all to do with the raids, then he is ignorant of the nature of al-Qa'eda. People who don't have any idea about Usamah and the nature of al-Qa'eda shouldn't try to comment on them.

[Ghaznavi]

interesting...

[Mansoor Ali]

Someone said: "And why would USA do it to itself?

WOULD THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT MURDER AMERICAN CITIZENS?

The Answer is "Yes".

In 1961, military strategists considered plans to create terrorist actions which would alarm the American population and encourage them to support a military attack on Cuba.

Under consideration in "Operation Northwoods" were plans:

* to create "a series of well-coordinated incidents" in or around the US Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to include inciting riots, blowing up ammunition stores, aircraft and ships.

* to "develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."

* to explode bombs in carefully chosen locations along with the release of "prepared documents" pointing to Cuban complicity.

* to use fake Russian aircraft to harass civilian airliners.

* to make "Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft" even to simulating the shooting down of a civilian airliner.

We now see that creating crises to further political goals is a methodology well understood and used.

The World Trade Centre/Pentagon attacks provided the perfect excuse to launch the pre-laid plans for military attacks against Afghanistan.

The two towers fell in a similar, uniform manner.

*** The collapse of the two towers was too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures. After the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosives inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse.

*** The collapse could only occur with immense planning by a highly skilled group of craftsmen educated in the unique skill of demolishing buildings by strategically placing explosives within the building. This requires many experts, much time and significant access to the buildings beforehand.

*** In addition, the towers came down long after the planes struck. To suggest that fuel dumping from the airplanes caused a fire hot enough to melt the inner structure is ridiculous.

*** So, why was it necessary to implode the whole structure? To eliminate evidence, before the forensic specialists could get in to examine the evidence.

This was a highly skilled endeavor by a large group of well-trained people with access to the buildings, the airplanes and the explosives.

[Mansoor Ali]

[Mansoor Ali]

(I'm sorry if my earlier message appeared twice)
EVIDENCE OF BOMBS IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS COLLAPSE
The video evidence that the World Trade Center towers were demolished is compelling. Consider the following frames which show two distinct lines of explosives detonating across the east face of the south tower.
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Frame 147 shows a row of explosives detonating right across the east face at the 79th floor.
Frame 203 shows a row of explosives detonating right across the east face at the 75th floor.

The middle photos show the dust cloud from the explosions outlined in red.

The end photos show the relative positions of the two lines of dust and debris.

It has been claimed that the explosions of dust that span the east face of the tower, were caused by air being forced from the windows as the floors above collapsed. This explanation is obviously incorrect. If it was correct, such lines of dust would have been expelled from the windows of each floor in succession. That is, we would have seen such lines of dust expelled from floors 79, 78, 77, 76 and 75 in succession, but what we observe is an explosion of dust at floor 79, no new clouds of dust for a few floors, then another (larger) explosion of dust at floor 75.

The second line of explosives is much more powerful than the first, but the dust cloud from the first line of explosives, and the dust and debris from the upper floor collapse, initially obscure this.

The dust due to the visible explosions is a whitish grey. The dust from the demolition of the upper section (which is disintegrating as it falls) is dark grey. One wonders what caused this difference.
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In the video, it is clear that the top 30 or so floors have snapped off and are toppling eastward. In the above frames, we follow the north-east corner of the tower as this 30 floor section descends. Using the north-east corner as a reference, I have outlined in red, the progress of this 30 floor section as it descends.

The first thing to note, is that the top section itself must be disintegrating, otherwise (as the above frames show) the top section would have extended far into parts of the building that are clearly, as yet, unaffected by the collapse.

But what could possibly cause the top section to disintegrate? And in fact, what could possibly cause the top section to almost entirely disintegrate, before the lower section begins to collapse?

You have to realize that most of the top section had not been affected by the aircraft strike or fires and was thus still the same immensely strong structure that had supported the building for some 30 years. If this section was going to fall at all, this section would fall as one piece (like a tree in the forest). Unless, of course, this section had been laced with explosives and was undergoing a controlled demolition of its own, just a few moments before the lower part of the building was demolished.
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The North Tower
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In the following set of frames showing the North Tower collapse, pay close attention to the horizontal explosions of dust and debris that occur just above the red line marked on the above photograph.
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again, note that the second layer of explosions is much more powerful than the first and that the dust cloud from the first initially obscures that of the second. Also, note the large orange areas of hot gas from the explosions. Recall, that this was nearly 2 hours after the aircraft struck the building, so there would be essentially no flammable material left on the floors from which the flash emanates (as the fire would have already consumed it all).
Note that the horizontal explosions of dust on the leftmost side of the tower are already visible and expanding in the first frame. These continue their expansion through frame nine and subsequent frames. Similarly, explosions of dust become apparent across the entire width of both (visible) faces of the tower, however, between frames 001 and 009 the television mast on top of the tower makes no downward movement at all. This shows that the horizontal explosions of dust and debris precede the collapse and thus cannot be the cause of it (in fact, it is these explosions that initiate the collapse).
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That the horizontal explosions of dust precede the collapse is vividly expressed by the above animated graphic which alternates the first and ninth frames. This clearly shows that the explosions of dust were not caused by air being forced from the windows as the floors above collapsed (this was a ridiculous assertion anyway).

Since the visible evidence points to only two layers of explosives per tower, one has to conclude that the aircraft were directed to hit particular floors. There was however, a quantity of laughable, obviously manufactured evidence, indicating that this was an attempt to frame the Arabs.

Of course the visible explosions (or at least their dust clouds) are only part of the story, as the main weight supporting columns in the central core also had to be weakened before the towers would collapse in the way they did. But what is visible, is more than enough evidence, to conclude that the towers were deliberately demolished. http://vancouver.indymedia.org/uploads/1-67.gif
The above animated graphic alternates the first and 67th frames. It shows a classic controlled demolition of a 12 story building (the top 12 stories of the North Tower). Strange how the roofline collapses so evenly.

[walid]

:twisted: Mansoor Ali

You are wasting our time and hogging this board with the same repeated rubbish whic you have been doing for the last several months.
This leads me to believe,

1. you have some sort of compulsive disorder
2. you are working for the kuffar trying to cause confusion within the ummah by propogating opinions which are incorrect, these are only creating doubts and is a form of dis-information often employed by the secutiy services.

Briefly,metal does not melt but does soften under heat and as a result of the heavy loads on the towers catastropic failure occured.
No explosives were used the a mount of smoke and fire is consistant with a fuel ignition. An explosion using commercial explosive would have put the fire out as it would deprive the fuel of oxygen. also you really expect us to believe explosives were set off at exactly the time and location of the collision? Also where was the supersonic bang that follows high explosives?
Listen inorder to cause a demolition of buildings using explosive charges it would take TONS of explosives which would have to be drilled and tamped into the correct areas all the charges would have to be joined using det-cord. This takes days to do using a large team of enigeers. not something you could do secretly!!!! or using a couple of bags of fertiliser. So that theory is laughable!!!

Planes are made of Aluminium which is likely to disentigrate when impacted into a soilid object like the pentagon whci was designed to be bomb proof but not anti-kinetic missle proof. also over 100+ top military officals were killed in that attack.



I am an engineer and know the facts you are trying to make fools of muslims because are we not capable of doing this? why are we all so backward that only the jews and yanks can do this.

You are trying very hard to be-little us i.e. Is it that only the non-muslims who can change history and we are the little folk who just watch the world go by and say yes sir, yes sir.

Don't insult us you have no idea and obviously have never seen the 19 martyers video which is 1hour long arabic with english sub titles and has the will of several of the attackers before conducting the operation. What they did changed the world, the u.s with all it's techology could not prevent determined belivers. note this could not happen without the will of Allah, it is something you will not undestand as you do not have the a spitiual dimension to life i.e the unseen. thus you are trying to explain it using kuffar standards of reasoning.

Please stop your propoganda campaign as you are annyoning many of us. OBL and his team knew what they were doing and planned it several years in advance when he told clinton that he would take the war to america, this was after the u.s fired 70 cruise missles at him while he was in afghanistan.

So stop hogging the board!!! :evil:

[khattab]

Brothers calm down, don't need to argue with eachother.

[khattab]

Some people say "just 2 planes can`t destroy the whole 2 towers...maybe yes but i believe in Allah's help, i believe in miracles. And don`t forget, people who say 2 towers can't be destroyed by mujahideen also were saying "mujahideen can't beat russians" in the time of afghan war...

http://www.geocities.com/islamimiracles1/reason_of_destruction.gif

[Mansoor Ali]

Reply to Walid:

You said " you are working for the kuffar trying to cause confusion within the ummah by propogating opinions which are incorrect, these are only creating doubts and is a form of dis-information often employed by the secutiy services. "
Reply : If it is true that I am working for the kuffaar against the Muslims, then doesn't that make me a kaafir? There is no truth in this belief of yours.

You said "also you really expect us to believe explosives were set off at exactly the time and location of the collision? Also where was the supersonic bang that follows high explosives?"
Reply:If you read the articles that I have copied and pasted into my messages you can see that explosives were not set off at exactly the time and location of the collision. Also, eyewitnesses heard explosives being set off. New York City firemen also stated that they heard the explosions.

You said "Listen inorder to cause a demolition of buildings using explosive charges it would take TONS of explosives which would have to be drilled and tamped into the correct areas all the charges would have to be joined using det-cord. This takes days to do using a large team of enigeers. not something you could do secretly!!!! or using a couple of bags of fertiliser. "
Reply : Your right. In one of my previous messages, it said "The collapse could only occur with immense planning by a highly skilled group of craftsmen educated in the unique skill of demolishing buildings by strategically placing explosives within the building. This requires many experts, much time and significant access to the buildings beforehand. "
Also, it said "This was a highly skilled endeavor by a large group of well-trained people with access to the buildings, the airplanes and the explosives."

You said "You are trying very hard to be-little us"
Reply: You're wrong. You don't know my intention.

[Mansoor Ali]

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If the above image did not appear then the writing is :

Chronology of events
09:55 : Top of World Trade Centre 6 (WTC6) explodes
09:55 : World Trade Centre 2 (WTC2) is pulverised
10:29 : World Trade Centre 1 (WTC1) is pulverised
10:38 : Heavy explosion inside the debris
17:18 : World Trade Centre 7 (WTC7) is pulverised
? : Further explosions in other buildings
? : Fire rising in several buildings

September 12th : before noon : World Trade Centre 3 (WTC3) explodes and collapses.

[Mansoor Ali]

Scientific Anomalies of the WTC Collapse

Any attempt to discuss the collapse of the World Trade Center towers must be done with the utmost honesty and seriousness.

We must not feel unable to ask technical questions about the nature and causes of the collapses, especially if the true answers to these questions lead to the realization that the collapses were indeed controlled demolitions. For that would force us to face the realization that an undertaking of that scale and complexity could only be undertaken with the active cooperation of the U.S. government.

The U.S. government has done everything possible to prevent meaningful investigation.

This lack of interest in doing a thorough forensic analysis of the crime scene, and the haste to dispose of the physical evidence are hard to understand as anything other than a cover-up. There seems to be an official government commitment to learning as little as possible about the events of September 11, and to making the investigations themselves as secret as possible.

The official theory :
Though there has been no official explanation released so far, there seems to be a popular consensus more or less as follows: heat from the fires weakened or softened the trusses that supported the floors. Either from sagging or thermal expansion of the trusses, the attachments of the outer end of the trusses to the outer steel framework of the buildings were broken. This would presumably happen to the floor or floors above the impact sites, where the fires would have burned hottest. The loss of these attachments is then said to have caused entire floors or sections of floors to fall, leading to a chain-reaction collapse.

This explanation generally ignores the fact that the very substantial core of the building, a 27 x 40 meter rectangular pillar consisting of 44 large steel box columns interspersed with about one hundred elevator and utility shafts, should have remained standing as the relatively light floors fell down around them. The brackets attaching the inner ends of the trusses to the central core would shear
off under the impact of a floor falling from above, causing the floors to slide down around the core. Yet, in both collapses, when the dust settles the building is completely gone, including any trace of the central column structure.

The most difficult feature of the collapses to account for is that the buildings fall in almost exactly the time it would take for an object to reach the ground from the height of the roof. Several careful analyses of the video evidence show that the fall occurs in ~9 seconds, within measurement error of the free-fall time.

At the moment of collapse the building still has considerable resistance to vertical compressive loads, even if a little local weakening exists at the level of the crash and fire. The central core is still mostly intact (especially in the south tower, where any significant heating would have been near the corner the plane struck, and the core could not have been hit by the majority of the plane) and much of the outer frame is still intact at this point.

The energy to overcome this resistance can only come from the gravitational potential energy of the building. The dissipation of that potential by doing the mechanical work of crushing structural materials must be subtracted from the force available to accelerate the upper part of the building, and this must result in a significant slowing. One estimate by a structural engineer at MIT article estimated 30% of the gravitational potential being used to crush the building, probably a conservative estimate since it does not account for the energy needed to pulverize the concrete and eject powder and debris laterally at high speeds. For any this value of resistance consistent with the real-world strength of the columns there would have been a very observable slowing.

it's plain that the only way a building can fall at free-fall speed is for there to be no resistance at all... as if the whole building had suddenly liquefied, or if a wave of liquefaction, i.e. demolition wave, had traveled down at or above the rate of free fall.

[Janissary]

Asalaamualaiykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakthu

The problem with conspiracy theories such as this is the number of people who have to be silent for the conspiracy not to be exposed and cause a political fallout. Also keep in mind that the mastermind behind a conspiracy has to convince the vast number of people to agree to the deaths of thousands of casualties of their own citizens. If even one these people do not agree to this conspiracy and leaks it to the press then there would be disastarous consequences. There are also just too many risks the mastermind of this conspiracy would need to take. This includes the execution phase of the conspiracy.

I believe conspiracies happen but this 9-11 theory is ridiculous.

Walaiykumasalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakthu

Abu Ayesha

[Ghaznavi]

Jannisary, is that the Lashker e Jihad logo?

[Janissary]

Asalaamualaiykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakthu


Yes that is the logo of Laskar. Laskar Jihad is a Salafi mujahideen group from the Indonedian Islands known as the Molluccan Islands. They protect the muslims from the christians in those in the area known as Maluku. They also advocate the establishment of the islamic state.

Walaiykumasalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakthu

Abu Ayesha

[Mansoor Ali]

Reply to Abu ayesha,

You said "If even one these people do not agree to this conspiracy and leaks it to the press then there would be disastarous consequences."

Reply : You're right.
1)That's why the American government has gone to great lengths to prevent a meaningful investigation. The scene of the destruction has been systematically cleared of evidence, as FEMA, the agency in charge blandly asserted that it is "not an investigative agency" This unique catastrophic failure of two sophisticated high-rise towers is treated as the most banal sort of everyday event, even as tourists were forbidden from taking pictures of the crime scene. This lack of interest in doing a thorough forensic analysis of the crime scene, and the haste to dispose of the physical evidence are hard to understand as anything other than a cover-up. There seems to be an official government commitment to learning as little as possible about the events of September 11, and to making the investigations themselves as
secret as possible.
2) That's also why the American government pretended to be innocent of any knowledge that this type of attack might happen in the months leading up to September 11th, even though word was spreading that this type of attack has been planned.

[Mansoor Ali]

Applying Science to the Two Towers' Collapse

In trying to understand what actually happened during the collapse of the World Trade Towers, perhaps the most glaring problem with the "official" explanation is its inability to explain the enormous dust clouds generated by the collapses. Even early on, when the tops of the buildings had barely started to move, we saw the characteristic jets of fine dust (mixed with larger chunks of debris) being shot out very energetically from the building. During the first few seconds of gravitational fall nothing is moving very fast, and yet from the outset what appears to be powdered concrete can be seem blowing out to the sides, growing to an immense dust cloud as the collapse progresses.

The floors themselves are quite robust. Each one is 39" thick; the top 4" is a poured concrete slab, with interlocking vertical steel trusses (or spandrel members) underneath. This steel would absorb a lot of kinetic energy by crumpling as one floor fell onto another, at most pulverizing a small amount of concrete where the narrow edges of the trusses strike the floor below. And yet we see a very fine dust being blown very energetically out to the sides as if the entire mass of concrete (about 400,000 cubic yards for the whole building) were being converted to dust. Remember too that the tower fell at almost the speed of a gravitational free-fall, meaning that little energy was expended doing anything other than accelerating the floor slabs.

Considering the amount of concrete in a single floor (~1 acre x 4") and the chemical bond energy to be overcome in order to reduce it to a fine powder, a very large energy input would be needed. The only source for this, excluding for now external inputs or explosives, is the gravitational potential energy of the building. Yet we know that the buildings actually fell in about 9 or 10 seconds, only slightly less than a free-fall from the same height. This means that very little of the gravitational energy can have gone toward pulverizing the concrete.

Even beyond the question of the energy needed, what mechanism exists for pulverizing these vast sheets of concrete? Remember that dust begins to appear in quantity in the very earliest stages of the collapses, when nothing is moving fast relative to anything else in the structure. How then is reinforced concrete turned into dust and ejected laterally from the building at high speed?

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[khayri11]

I will not pretend to be an engineer but I'm positive that just as detailed explanations exist to describe what resulted from the impact of those planes. You have to be a conspiracy nut to believe that America bombed itself, killed thousands of people inside the towers, on the ground, on the planes and caused the death of tens of rescue workers. Even bin Laden has said he did it! And all this without one America/ western media outlet (electronic or print) breaking the story of an inside conspiracy? Come on!

[Mansoor Ali]

Reply to khayri11

You said -
And all this without one America/ western media outlet (electronic or print) breaking the story of an inside conspiracy? Come on!

Reply-
It is obvious why the American media outlet never broke the story of an inside conspiracy - the American media - just like the American government, the American military and American intelligence community - is controlled by the same ruling elite. The media serves the ruling elite, not the people. The most powerful people in America decide what the people get to see and here in the media.

Conspiracy nut ?

Reply -
That's the usual response to people who refuse to believe the official version of events.

"You have to be a conspiracy nut to believe that America bombed itself, killed thousands of people inside the towers"

Reply -
Find out about Operation Northwoods - the most glaring example of American government terrorism upon American citizens in order to justify attacking Cuba.

The September 11th attacks were part of a huge plan, called the New world Order. One of the New world Order elite, David Rockefeller, said,

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times,
Time Magazine and other great publications whose
directors have attended our meetings and respected
their promisesof discretion for almost 40 years.
It would have been impossible for us to develop our
plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright
lights of publicity during those years. But we are now
prepared to march towards a world government.
We are on the verge of a global transformation.
All we need is the right major crisis and
the nations will accept the New World Order."

[Mansoor Ali]

The Pentagon attack
(Refutaion of the Whatreallyhappened.com article)
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[Mansoor Ali]

The black circle below shows point of impact.
This is before the collapse of the wall. Where are the wings, where is the plane?
Where is the damage to the wall from the wings (except a small indent in the blue circle, but this can be explained in that the floor underneath was damaged, and the whole section was about to collapse)
The bottom floor seems to have taken on much more damage than the second or third floors, which is where the wing should have hit. If the bottom floor is damaged more, then the pl ane would have had to hit low, if it did hit low, it would have damaged (or demolished) the cable reels.
If it totally disintegrated the pane, then why did it barely scratch the cable reels?
http://investigate911.batcave.net/_webimages/6-4b.JPG
In the picture bleow, the cirlce shows the point of impact, it is obvious that a Boeing 757 cannot fit into that hole. Use the windows ( arrows point to UNBROKEN windows) to get an idea of the relationship to the size of the hole.
http://investigate911.batcave.net/_webimages/facade-intacte-s.JPG
Tail of plane should have hit above the impact hole, but clearly, there was no damage to the area above the hole. The windows are still intact. A Boeing 757 is about 20-25 ft wide (fuselage) about 150ft long and over 150ft wing tip to wing tip.
Where is the Plane ? It did not squeeze into that small hole shown.
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Point of impact ( satalite view post 911)
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Central point explosion. Not from gas tanks which are located on the outer part of the wings of a Boing 757 or 767.
The tanks are about 90ft apart. What caused the central explosion ? Why were there not two explosions on either side where the gas tanks were ?
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[Mansoor Ali]

Some of the clearest proof that 9/11 was an act of United States Sponsored Terrorism comes from a close examination of the Pentagon Attack.

The Pentagon Attack was not from a Boeing 757:

There's insufficient Pentagon attack debris for it to be the scene of an airliner crash.
The Department of Defense press conference stated that virtually the entire plane and its contents were consumed by the fire.
The plane that hit the Pentagon descended too fast and too sharply for it to be a Boeing 757 - the Dulles Air Controllers, who cleared Flight77 to take off, thought it was a fighter jet.
The PentagonPlaneRotor debris does not match a Boeing 757.

The Pentagon was hit by an explosive warhead:

The first photos of the PentagonAttackFire show it's too hot to be a kerosene fire.
The PentagonAttackDamage to the interior is too collimated to be from the liquid fuel of an airliner. Only a shaped-charge warhead can cut a circular hole in a wall after going through 3 m. of poured concrete.
The DoD and the FBI are engaged in a ongoing cover up of the details of what hit the Pentagon:

The FBI seized the video from a gas station within minutes of the attack.
The FBI seized the video from the Sheraton Hotel and told the employees who had viewed the tape not to discuss what they had seen.
The DoD originally claimed that their surveillance cameras did not capture the attack, but later released 5 frames from the camera that looks over the point of impact.

In summary, the DoD claims:

1)the Boeing did a 4.5 g. turn to descend from 7500 feet in 1 1/2 minutes (even though the Boeing flight control software won't allow more than 1.5 g. turn),
2)hit the side of the Pentagon with pin-point-precision (even though the alleged pilot couldn't even fly solo a Cessna propeller driven light aircraft,
3)the wings peeled back so it could fit through an 8 m. hole (even though the Boeing is 13.6 m. high, 47.3 m. long, with a wingspan of 38 m.)l4)eaving no significant debris outside (not even the engines which are mounted on shear-off bolts, and are largely made of titanium)
4)virtually the entire plane and its contents were consumed by the fire (which would be the first time that has happened in aviation history, and would defy the laws of physics if the fire was caused by jet fuel.)

[Mansoor Ali]

More proof that Flight 77 - a Boeing 757 - did not hit the Pentagon
http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/wag/images/pentagon_turbofan_closeup.jpg
A rotor (high pressure stage) coming from a jet engine can be seen in the photo.
1)This is a high pressure rotor element of a jet engine.
2)The diameter of the housing is not much bigger than the diameter of this rotor.
3)Witnesses heard a sound that they describe as the sound of a military aircraft (highly pitched and strident), not the sound of an airliner.

This piece and doesn't come from the engine of an airliner, which has low pressure fans of much larger size than the high pressure rotors, so that the streamlines are much larger than the diameters of the high pressure rotors.
The engines of this plane had no low pressure fans: they are military engines, for which noise is not a problem.
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Britannia Airways Boeing 757 that crashed 14 September 1999 at Gerona, Spain. This aircraft (G-BYAG) had the same engine model as Flight 77 (N644AA) - Rolls Royce RB211-535E4. Not only is the diameter of the Rolls Royce engine much larger, the rotor configuration is totally different.

[Mansoor Ali]

There is enough photographic evidence and corroborating eyewitness reports to raise very serious questions about the official theory of the two towers collapse, and to point strongly to a controlled demolition.

A controlled demolition on this scale would imply the existence of a powerful and well-connected group of insiders with access to the buildings over a long period of time. And most important of all, they would have to be in enough positions of power and authority to ensure that there could be no real forensic analysis of the collapses, a task that was well and truly accomplished.

There are quite a few still pictures showing what can only be described as explosive ejections of material from the towers, pulverized concrete and shattered pieces of the steel perimeter columns thrown out even in the early stages of the collapses.

What is especially striking in the collapse of both towers is the enormous volume of material being ejected early in the collapse, and the quantity of shattered steel thrown out ahead of the dust clouds. Much of this broken steel consists of the perimeter columns. This combination of shattered debris with dust and smoke ejected at high speed makes for a textbook picture of the effects of high explosives.

Those buildings were *demolished*. To demolish a building, you don't need all that much explosive but it needs to be placed in the correct places and ignited in a smooth, timed sequence.

[Mansoor Ali]

New York City Firemen : There were bombs inside the building

Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac Jr., was stationed at Engine 10, across the street from the World Trade Center. He sid "many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” He explained that, if the building had ‘pancaked’ as it’s been called, the falling floors would have met great resistance from the steel support columns, which would have sent debris flying outward into the surrounding blocks. When he was quoted the 'truss theory' for the collapses,He responded “You could never build a truss building that high. A slight wind would knock it over! Those buildings were supported by reinforced steel. Building don’t just implode like that; this was a demolition.”

The tower which was struck second suffered less damage from the plane because it was a less direct hit and most of the jet fuel was seen ignited outside the structure… yet this tower collapsed first. Just before this collapse, the firefighters were up on the burning levels and were heard saying, “Battalion seven… Ladder fifteen, we’ve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines.” How could two isolated pockets of fire destroy the bases of the support columns causing the buildings to implode? Paul Isaac told me, “Based on video footage of the collapse of the South Tower, the structural collapse is not consistent with the angle the building was struck.”


Just after the disaster, Firefighter Louie Cacchioli said, “We think there were bombs set in the building.” Notice he said ‘we’. At 9:04, just after flight 175 collided with the South Tower, a huge explosion shot 550 feet into the air from World Trade Centre 6 (WTC 6). A huge crater scars the ground where this building once stood. Something blew up WTC 6 - it wasn’t a plane; it must have been a bomb of some sort.

Why was no investigation allowed of the debris?

[Mansoor Ali]

An Appeal to Reason

All that one needs to know, to be able to conclusively prove that the Twin Towers were demolished, is that the towers fell in roughly 10 seconds, that is, that they fell at about the same rate that an object falls through air. The observed collapse of the World Trade Centers 1 and 2 have been measured at near the rate of free fall. This is the rate at which nearly ALL of the "falling energy" (kinetic energy from gravity) must deliver the building to ground level ASAP. This leaves NO energy for smashing and pulverizing the concrete slabs NOR for shredding construction steel. The kinetic energy available can either be used for shredding steel and pulverizing concrete or it can be used for acceleration toward the ground. The building simply can't get to the ground in the time that is observed unless most of the energy goes into acceleration. There is no room for a significant quantity of the potential energy being utilized in any other way than falling or the building does NOT get to the ground in time.

Free fall is the unrestricted acceleration from a height toward an impact with the Earth. The WTC towers both fell to the Earth very quickly as is timed by seismographs and video. They fell at the rate of free fall; that is, they fell as though NOTHING was in their way. The speed at which they fell totally cancels the theory that they "pancaked" one on top of the other and then stressed one floor after another until the entire mass was in rubble on the ground. According to rate of collapse, the towers fell smoothly and without encountering obstruction or resistance of any kind. It's impossible for the floors to fall / crash / fall / crash / fall...and get to the ground level in 10 seconds. Starting from the 80th floor, for example, at just ONE second per floor, it would take 80 seconds to fall--eight times too long. Even at only 1/2 second per floor it is STILL four times to slow. The only way that the WTC towers could get to the ground within approximately ten seconds is to encounter a weakened building on the way down-- controlled demolition.

The top of a building does not cannot pass through a structure made of concrete and steel at the same rate as it falls through air. This just doesn't happen, unless, of course, the lower part of the building has lost its structural integrity (and this is usually due to the detonation of a multitude of small explosive charges as seen in controlled demolitions).

The fact that the towers collapsed in about 10 seconds is clear evidence that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

Believing that there is nothing wrong with the towers collapsing so quickly, is roughly analogous to believing that people pass through closed doors as quickly as they pass through open doors. [Something in the way delays the passage.]

[Mansoor Ali]

Refutation of the raging inferno theory

The government says the twin towers were brought down by raging fire infernos.

New York firemen were above the 70th floor of the south tower shortly before it fell. They saw no signs of any raging fire inferno. Today, their „consultant“ who is a former CIA Director is ordering them to keep their mouth shut about this and about the mention of controlled demolition explosions that they heard.

The dark smoke of the alleged raging fire infernos contains dozens of more or less toxic organic compounds. These are typical for low-heat smoldering fires, not for any raging fire infernos. Such fires are unable to harm, bend or weaken structural steel, especially after only 45 minutes or an hour.

The molten steel that collected in the cellar basins of the towers was not created by kerosene fires because kerosene dues not burn hot enough to melt steel.

There were no raging fire infernos. The twin towers were demolished by explosions through pre-set explosives. It was recorded seismically and the light pulse from the explosions is on video. The towers trembled, fell and shattered to powder dust in around 10 seconds each. For tower 7, the owner Larry Silverstein has actually already admitted to allowing it to be pulled down.

[Mansoor Ali]

The U.S. government's explanation of The Two Towers Collapse is a Lie

The truss theory is the absurd belief that the only support (between the central core and the perimeter wall of the World Trade Center) for the concrete floor slabs, was lightweight trusses. It was invented to explain away what were obviously demolitions and has become the "official" dogma.

According to the "official" story, there is no significant lateral support for the walls (against wind loading) between the ground and top floors. This is like a bridge with a 1,300 foot span between supports. Even though the tube structure of the perimeter wall was designed for maximum rigidity (within the given weight specifications) the 1,300 foot span between supporting pillars, meant that even this very rigid design would sag in the midsection under wind loading, just like a bridge with such a span. In a typical steel framed building the span between pillars is only 12 feet (one floor) and such a problem does not arise.

The World Trade Center towers were like huge sails in the wind. These sails had to be able to resist the 140 mile per hour winds of a hurricane. Such hurricane force winds exerted a large (some 6000 tons) lateral force on the building. This lateral force is called the wind loading (or force of the wind) on the building. According to the "official" story, the only possible intermediate support comes from the flimsy trusses and the lightweight concrete floors. The WTC was designed to survive a 45 pounds per square foot, wind loading. This translates to a 12 x 207 x 45/2000 = 56 ton force on each of the floor segments. What this 56 ton force on each floor segment means, is that if one was to lay the World Trade Center on its side and use the pull of gravity as a substitute for the push of the wind, then each of the 110 floors would need to be loaded with a 56 ton block of steel (so the entire wall would have to support 110 such blocks of steel, that is, 110 x 56 = 6160 tons in total).

The fact that the tubular structure of the walls is very rigid, does not stop the central core from needing to bend when the walls bend. This means that the walls have to transmit the full force of the wind to the core, so that the core will flex to the same extent as the walls (this is obvious, otherwise if the walls flex while the core does not, the floor slabs would, by definition, be crushed). Again, it is important to note that the rigidity of the walls does not protect the central core from the full force of the wind, what it does, is it limits the distance that the walls (and hence the whole structure) can bend. The more rigid the design the less it tilts in the wind.

In strong winds the midsection of the windward wall will be pushed several feet towards the core. In a typical steel framed building of WTC type design, heavy steel beams transmit the wind loading to the core, which then bends together with the walls. However, in the WTC (as described in the "truss theory") the trusses and floor slabs are too weak to transmit this force to the core without buckling, so the core will stay in its original position as the wall advances to it. This will crush the trusses and floor slabs, leading to the collapse of many floors. Since this did not occur during the 30 years in which the buildings stood, we must assume that the "official" story is false. To see how utterly ridiculous the "official" story is, lets calculate the lateral loading (wind loading) that each one of these trusses was expected to resist. Consider, a one floor segment. Here, we have 30 trusses and a slab of concrete supporting 56 tons. That is about 2 tons per truss and piece of slab. If you balanced a 2 ton block of steel on top of one of these flimsy 60 foot long trusses and (a 60 foot long by 6 foot 8 inches wide by 4 inches thick) slab of concrete, we all know what would happen - the truss and slab would buckle and collapse.

Another point to consider, is that if the walls alone handle lateral loading, then the pressure on the windward wall must be transmitted via the corners to the remaining walls (this transmission of loading to the other walls is what gave the WTC its rigidity) but the corners are far too weak to handle this task alone.
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The central core and perimeter wall have been marked in red (the inner rectangle bounds the central core and the outer rectangle bounds the perimeter wall). "Trusses" visible at the top level have been marked in white, those visible one floor down have been marked in magenta. At this point the perimeter box columns are spaced at ten foot intervals. Higher up the structure, these perimeter box columns will split into three smaller columns (each roughly 14 x 14 inches), spaced 40 inches apart. Knowing this we can measure that the depth of the so-called "trusses". We find that they are approximately 18 inches deep.
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To make things clearer, the position of the "trusses" have been marked in white. The vertical red lines correspond to visible core columns and the white lines (apart from the outer perimeter lines) correspond to visible floor joists (you know, the supposed trusses). Remember, that the perimeter columns which appear like a row of toothpicks in the visible sections of the wall, are actually 14 inches wide. Thus the floor joists (the supposed trusses) do indeed appear to be quite large steel beams. One thing is certain though, they are not the claimed trusses.
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Some interesting aspects of the construction are presented in the following enlargements of the red-boxed regions.
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In this enlargement one can see eight perimeter box columns on the left. At this height, they are spaced at ten foot intervals. Of course, what is of interest here are the eight (seven on the lower level and one on the upper) quite solid looking beams spanning the 35 foot gap between the perimeter wall and the central core, where the "official lie" promises us there are only flimsy trusses.

http://wtc7.net/911research/mirrors/guardian/WTC/close-2.jpg
In the foreground of this enlargement one can see eighteen perimeter box columns of the South Tower (those in the background are of the North Tower). If you look closely, you can just make out a single quite large beam spanning the 60 foot gap between the central core and the perimeter wall. Remember, that the corner core column to which this beam is attached is some 3 foot wide (and 16 inches deep).
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In these two photos the steel beams (supposed trusses) mentioned above, are marked in white.

So what do you see ? One sees what appear to be solid steel girders laid out according to the plan for the positioning of the trusses. Have another look. What you see are certainly not trusses.

[Mansoor Ali]

The Explosive Truth about the Towers' Collapses

Let's examine a bit more how the towers were made.
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Those 4 cranes you see in the photo, are perched atop the central support core of the tower. This core is built of sheer concrete reinforced by 44 beams of construction grade steel which were sealed in asbestos.
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Moving on, check out the approach angles of the planes in relation to the positioning of the cores...
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/siteplat2.jpg
Notice how the North Tower takes a direct hit, perpendicular to the core, while the South Tower takes more of an angular hit, almost parallel to the core structure.

Now take this knowledge of the core positions and apply it to the following diagram…
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As you can see, the fuel barely grazes the core of the South Tower, with most of it burning outside the building in a huge fireball, yet the South Tower is the first one to fall.

Why?

The official story claims it was because the tower was struck lower and had more weight on top of the area of the impact.

EYEWITNESSES SPEAK OUT
" As he left the building, (Ronald DiFrancesco) saw a fireball rolling toward him. He put his arms in front of his face. He woke up three days later at St. Vincent's hospital. His arms were burned. Some bones were broken. His lungs were singed. But he was alive – the last person out of the south tower. "

Don Halasy: " As I turned to run, a wall of warm air came barrelling toward me. I tried to outrace it, but it swept me up and literally blew me into the wall of a building. By the time I regained my footing, a hailstorm of debris was falling from the sky."

David Handschuh: " Instinctively I lifted the camera up, and something took over that probably saved my life. And that was to run rather than take pictures. I got down to the end of the block and turned the corner when a wave – a hot, solid, black wave of heat threw me down the block. It literally picked me up off my feet, and I wound up about a block away. "

What each of these witnesses are describing is known as the “shockwave effect”. When an explosion goes off, extremely high temperatures are generated in a small amount of time and space. This abrupt shift in temperature causes the air to push outwards with violent force, seeking to stabilize itself. The result is a blast of hot air radiating in all directions.

If you are still skeptical, then lets have a look at some professional reports. Civilians and journalists were not the only ones to report explosions …

THE FIREMEN UNCENSORED

Firefighter Transcript Made Public

Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion .
[...]
Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
This transmission takes place a few moments before the North Tower Collapses…

MP3 of Firefighter Transmission (344K)

"We have numerous people covered in dust because of the secondary explosion..."
NBC Reporter Pat Dawson on the morning of 9-11:


...The Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York told me that...er...he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact was, he thinks, may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device, he thinks, he speculates, was probably planted in the building...er... so that's what we have been told by...erm...Albert Turi who is the Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department, he told me that just moments ago.

You simply HAVE to check out the following video clip…

MPEG film of NY firemen discussing the explosions. (4.8MB)

Fireman1: Floor by floor it started popping out...
Fireman2: It was almost like they had detonators…
Fireman1: Yeah, detonators…
Fireman2: …planted to take down the building. boom-boom-boom-boom-boom….
Fireman1: All the way down. I was watching it and running..

The explosions these firemen describe can be seen in this photo:
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/04-wtc-Biggart5-24.jpg

What you are seeing in this photo are large numbers of 12' sections of perimeter columns flying out ahead of the dust cloud in what is very clearly an explosive event. He got very close to the North Tower just before it fell, and captured some amazing pictures of its collapse and of the previous damage from the WTC-2 collapse. What is clear especially in Biggert's picture is that the building is turning to dust as or even before it falls.

THE SEISMOGRAPH

More proof evidence comes from the seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York, 21 miles north of the WTC. This facility recorded strange seismic activity on September 11 that has still not been explained.
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/seismic-wave-24.gif
The above image is a seismographical readout at the time of the attacks and collapse of the WTC. You can clearly see on the top line the small peaks of the planes impacts.

But here is where it gets interesting, check out those two really BIG spikes on the 3rd and 4th lines. Those spikes represent the collapse of the towers. Notice the shape of these spikes, the highest peak is actually at the beginning. A strange anomaly when you consider the nature of a collapse is more gradual than explosive, with the vibrations becoming more and more intense as each floor collapses onto the next.

But this isnt the case in the seismograph.

The Palisades seismic data recorded a 2.1 magnitude earthquake during the 10-second collapse of the South Tower at 9:59:04 and a 2.3 quake during the 8-second collapse of the North Tower at 10:28:31.

While the aircraft crashes caused minimal earth shaking, significant earthquakes with unusual spikes occurred at the beginning of each collapse. Not only that, but these two unexplained spikes are more than twenty times the amplitude of the other seismic waves associated with the collapses!

This seismic record shows that as the collapses began - a huge seismic spike marked the moment the greatest energy went into the ground. The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before the falling debris struck the earth.

THE EXPERTS SPEAK OUT

Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told the American Free Press, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated." According to Lerner-Lam, "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."

A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground explosion appears on a seismograph. Another seismologist, Won-Young Kim, stated that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2.

Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers.

DIGGING UP MORE EVIDENCE

To have a better understanding of what happened, lets take another look at how the WTC was built. Here is a photo of the construction of the towers foundation.
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/cid_wtc_mya_WTC_groundbrea.jpg
The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick.

This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional.

A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation

American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?

EXAMINING THE HEAT OF GROUND ZERO

Five days after the collapse, on September 16, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) used an Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) to locate and measure the site's hot spots.

http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/hotspots-compare.jpg
Dozens of hot spots were mapped. The hottest spots at the surface of the rubble, where abundant oxygen was available, showed a temperature of 1377° F (747° C). This is, however, less than half as hot at the molten steel in the basement.

Construction steel has an extremely high melting point of about 2,800° Fahrenheit (1535° Celsius). Kerosene-based jet fuel, paper, or the other combustibles normally found in the towers, cannot generate this much heat, especially in an oxygen-poor environment like a deep basement.

It should be noted that one of the few things capable of producing such extreme temperatures in these conditions is thermite, a chemical compound used in demolition explosives.

TOO HOT FOR JET FUEL

It has been calculated that if the entire 10,000 gallons of jet fuel from the aircraft was injected into just one floor of the World Trade Center, that the jet fuel burnt with the perfect efficency, that no hot gases left this floor and that no heat escaped this floor by conduction, then the jet fuel could have only raised the temperature of this floor to, at the very most, 536°F (280°C). You can find the calculation here.

Another reason that we know the fires were not serious enough to cause structural failure, is that witnesses tell us this. The impact floors of the south tower were 78-84. Here are a few words from some of the witnesses:

Stanley Praimnath was on the 81st floor of the south tower:


The plane impacts. I try to get up and then I realize that I'm covered up to my shoulder in debris. And when I'm digging through under all this rubble, I can see the bottom wing starting to burn, and that wing is wedged 20 feet in my office doorway


Donovan Cowan was in an open elevator at the 78th floor sky-lobby:


We went into the elevator. As soon as I hit the button, that's when there was a big boom. We both got knocked down. I remember feeling this intense heat. The doors were still open. The heat lasted for maybe 15 to 20 seconds I guess. Then it stopped.


Ling Young was in her 78th floor office:


Only in my area were people alive, and the people alive were from my office. I figured that out later because I sat around in there for 10 or 15 minutes...


The official story claims that temperatures, exceeding 800 degrees Celsius, were hot enough to cause the trusses of the south tower to fail, but here we have eye-witnesses stating that temperatures were cool enough for them to walk away.

YOU BE THE JUDGE

Lets examine some video footage of these explosions. A few of these downloads may take a while, but are worth it if you are not yet convinced…

NORTH TOWER COLLAPSE (MPEG 4.3 MB)
This footage was shot by a camera mounted on a tripod. Notice how, moments before the collapse, the ground shakes for a full 3 seconds. This was the very same vibration I felt right before the towers fell!

THE SMOKING GUN OF WTC # 6

Now look at the scene below. This footage is the smoking gun evidence which shows one of the explosions going off moments before the collapse of the South Tower. (Note: this animated GIF is roughly 1 MB and may take a while to load for you dial-up users)
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/gunblast21.gif
A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World Trade Center 6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, although no national newspaper, other than American Free Press, has written a word about it.

Before the smoke had cleared from around the stricken South Tower, a mysterious explosion shot 550 feet into the air above the U.S. Customs House at WTC 6.

FEMA has stated that there was "no data collection" from WTC #6. Interesting that without collecting any data they still managed to put together the official story that this building was destroyed by rubble from the collapse of the North Tower. But if so then one would expect to see the remains of the building covered by rubble. Instead we see a huge crater. Here is a closer look at WTC #6 after it was demolished.

http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/numbersixafter_closeup.jpg
OWNER OF WTC ADMITS EXPLOSIVES WERE USED!

Listen to this PBS interview with Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC, describing how he had Building #7 demolished!

MP3 of Silverstein “Pull It”

(The Fire Department) were not sure that they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we´ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. They made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse

In the demolition industry, “pull” is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with explosives.

Silverman is talking about how a decision was made between him and the New York Fire Department to 'Pull' the building. And there is no doubt the meanings of his words, captured in context. He is admitting on public TV that a decision was made between him and the NYFD to use a controlled demolition to fell WTC 7 on 911. And all of this AFTER the official FEMA report, costing millions said otherwise, and they had all the experts.

In order to appreciate the severity of this evidence, you must first understand that demolishing a building is not something you can do in a few minutes by tossing explosives into a basement. It actually takes days of planning. First you have to pinpoint all the load-bearing structures, then you have to wire everything and set the cutting charges so they all go off in a pre-destined order. Which means that this demolition was planned long before 9-11!
http://letsroll911.org/articles/images/wtc-7-small.gif
Why would this man destroy his own buildings?

Six months before the attacks on the World Trade Center, the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion 6 weeks before 911. But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate prize the Silverstein Group might have been led to believe. The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.

The attacks on 9/11 changed the picture. Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, seperate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

As reported in The Washington Post, the insurance company, Swiss Re, has gone to court to argue that the 9/11 disaster was only one attack, not two and that therefore the insurance payout should be limited to $3.55 billion, still enough to rebuild the complex.

COMMON SENSE

The towers fell in roughly 10 seconds, that is, that they fell at about the same rate that an object falls through air.

The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished.

SELLING THE EVIDENCE OVERSEAS

Much of the structural steel from the WTC was sold to Alan D. Ratner of Metal Management of Newark, New Jersey, and the New York-based company Hugo Neu Schnitzer East. Ratner, who heads the New Jersey branch of the Chicago-based company, quickly sold the WTC steel to overseas companies, reportedly selling more than 50,000 tons of steel to a Shanghai steel company known as Baosteel for $120 per ton. Ratner paid about $70 per ton for the steel. Other shipments of steel from the WTC went to India and other Asian ports.

So why have you not heard of this until now? Where is the media coverage? The public outrage?

WITNESSES SILENCED BY GOVERNMENT

Can you say "repression"?

NEW YORK COURT CENSORS TESTIMONIES OF 911

(1) denied the motion of nine family members of persons who died on 9/11 for leave to intervene as petitioners (Family Members), and
(2) directed disclosure of the oral histories albeit redacted to delete the employees' personal expressions of feelings, opinions and recommendations.

…Not falling within the intra-agency exception are the personal expressions of feelings contained in the oral histories, and we accordingly modify to direct disclosure of such expressions.

In other words, if a firefighter who was interviewed said, "I heard what sounded like explosions and I think it was bombs that took down those towers, it was all so horrible", the press will merely get the portion that says: "it was all so horrible".

There is more..

(3) directed disclosure of the 911 tapes and transcripts albeit redacted to delete the opinions and recommendations of respondent's employees, and further redacted to delete the words of 911 callers other than those related to the Family Members, unanimously modified, on the law, to grant the motion to intervene, and to direct disclosure of respondent's employees' personal expressions of feeling contained in the oral histories, and otherwise affirmed, without costs.

Translation for you non-lawyer types: The transcripts of tapes of the calls that people made to 911 on that day will not be released at all because the Court said they would invade the privacy of the surviving families - even though surviving family members indicated to the Court that they waived such rights to privacy.

There is one higher court in New York that this decision could be appealed to, the Court of Appeals, but I have seen no reports on whether the New York Times plans on appealing it. These same records will not even make it to the 9-11 Commission without deletions.

[b]CONCLUSION

The World Trade Center was not destroyed by Muslims. It was a controlled demolition, an inside job!

[bangladeshiraju]

This article is a *MUST* read on 911. I find it from ummah.com forum.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm

It also find from here

http://www.jihadunspun.net/articles/12022002-stranger.than.fiction/stf01.html
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[Mansoor Ali]

dear Banladeshi Raju,

Thanks for mentioning that article. However, in light of the information gathered at http://letsroll911.org, the part of the article which suggests that Zionists flew suicide missions into the World Trade Centre is no longer valid. The planes were remotely piloted by the U.S Air Force and, inshaa Allaah, I will post the articles.

[Mansoor Ali]

Thermal imaging of World Trade Center ruins gives the game away.

Do you see that ruin with a hole at center-left? That was the U.S. Customs building (WTC 6), and its mostly still standing.

See the gap in the buildings to it's left. That was Larry Silverstein's WTC 7 - now completely ruined.
http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/warathome_files/wtc_thermal.gif
Take a look to the right of the building with the hole. That pile of rubble was once the North Tower (WTC 1).
http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/warathome_files/wtc_thermal2_010928_ss.jpg
You can see the tower fell straight down and damaged -but did not flatten-- WTC 6 to it's left (the building with the hole).

So how come WTC 7(extreme left above) is totally flattened? The North tower would have had to collapse ACROSS WTC 6 to it's left to have demolished Seven.

WTC 6 is partially standing at top right. WTC 7 flattened at center left.
[http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/warathome_files/numbersevenafter.jpg

[Mansoor Ali]

More Visual Evidence of Bombs Bringing Down The Two Towers

Explosions around the perimeter of the tower caused by explosives:
http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower2-demo.gif

http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower2-demo-close.gif

The Tower 1 demolition.
A geyser-looking shaped charge shoots out of Tower 1, well ahead of the leading wave of falling debris.
http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower1-geyser.gif
The Tower 1 demolition.
Focus on the right side of the building. 2 shaped charges shoot out, well ahead of the leading wave of falling debris.

http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower1-demo.gif
http://www.realality.net/thewebfairy/911/letsroll911/Web/shapedcharges.gif

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTC-bomb-frame105.jpg
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTC-bomb-frame048.jpg
The Towers collapsed with dead-centered symmetry. Achieving symmetric collapse--an engineering feat--is the objective of controlled demolition.

The Towers' concrete was pulverized....in MID-AIR!--Impossible!
You can prove this to yourself by dropping a concrete block from a height of, say, 20 feet. The block may break into several pieces, but it will not turn into powder. Even if you were to drop a piece of concrete from the height of the Towers--1360 feet--it still would not turn into powder when it hit the ground.

Rubble falling through the Towers encountered no more resistance than air!--Impossible!
1000 vertical feet of intact vertical structure should have been slowing the rubble inside the footprint of the building! Since the steel structure should have provided hundreds, if not thousands of times the resistance of air, it must have been demolished ahead of the falling masses that were above it.

Look at the shaped charge that goes off, well ahead of the leading wave of debris.
http://www.realality.net/pics3/demo-t2-237.jpg

[shadowman]

you really think its great what happened on 9-11 huh? well heres a news flash you awoke a sleeping giant and you will pay for the rest of your cowardly lives such as they are, those involved are being hunted down and killed as i type and the hunting will go on for as long as it takes cause there are only so many holes you can hide in and sooner or later we,ll get ya, your fighting a losing battle and the sooner that is realized the sooner this will end, what happened to the great taliban when we went into afganistan?????? they ran like little girls into the mountains to hide and some are still over there dressed like girls cause their scared like little babies, we took that country off of you and there isn,t anything you can do about it now is there you bunch of sissies, this isn,t over yet although for the sake of your brothers you should pray that it is and this isn,t spain either where you can blow up a train full of innocent people and have the goverment cave in to you, it was a terrible mistake to fly those planes into those buildings but i guess you know that now and if you had to do it all over i,d bet you wouldn,t dare try it, so keep laughing for now because time is running short............ :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Mansoor Ali]

What Is This On TheBottom Of The Plane?
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/IMAGEX.jpg
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/unders.jpg
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/Plane_2.jpg
There is at least one other piece of startling photographic and video evidence from the attacks in New York. It concerns Flight 175, the plane that hit WTC2, the South Tower. The photograph is one of the most dramatic and frequently reproduced images of the events of September 11. Showing the second plane only a second or so before it hit WCT2, it has appeared on the front pages of newspapers and magazines around the world as well as on countless web sites. You have probably seen it tens, if not hundreds, of times. It is one of the defining images of that day. Yet if you look closely you will see that it is one of the most extraordinarily revealing and incriminating images too.

For it is rather plain to see that the aircraft is carrying an anomalous device underneath its right wing, very close to the fuselage. It almost looks like a third engine and is connected by tubing to the tail section. The dark stripe down the side is not part of the paintwork (check out the United Airlines livery) but the shadow of the device and its pipework. Remember, we are looking at the plane's underside here, not its flank.

1. There is a missile pod, canopy, on the undercarriage of this aircraft.
2. That it shoots out a missile before impact.
3. That because of 1 & 2, it is logical and even obvious that this special 767 isn't the same 767 that took off from Bostons Logan International that morning. This is a fact.
4. That because of 1, 2 & 3, one other 'Fact' is also glaringly obvious. The 767 that took off from Bostons Logan, was switched, and that this 767 you see with a pod, and shooting a missile out, is the plane that took it's place. This occurred when the transponder of the aircraft was turned off.

http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/CNNABCmissilepodimpact1.jpg

A few things to note:

1. The pod, undercarriage equipment is the same size, shape, and color in all the frames.

2. The Pod is far larger than the gear well doors, almost 2 1/2 times in length and covers the gear well doors as well. This problem is small and will be dealt with later.

3. This extra equipment, missile pod shows up in all the video of the day, from every angle and with all sorts of different equipment. 5 different News Networks that captured this pod on 911. They are; CNN, ABC, Fox, Cameraplanet and the Evan Fairbanks video.

http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/letsroll911/Web/duhmissilepod1.jpg

[Mansoor Ali]

http://www.realality.net/pics3/missile_pod_1.jpg
The missile pod, on the belly of the Tower 2 plane.
http://www.realality.net/pics3/pod-angle-arrow.jpg
Another view of the missile pod.
http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower2-13del.gif
The missile attack
http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower2-missile.gif
The missile is the white object, on the outside of the plane's cockpit
http://www.realality.net/pics3/tower2-fireball.gif
Focus on the flame that slowly shoots out from the missile pod.

[Mansoor Ali]

Proof now exists that the Boeing 767 which hit the 2nd tower was a modified jet with a missile pod attached beneath it. As the jet was about to impact the building, a missile was fired into the building from the pod. This proof now exists in all video footage taken of the WTC attacks. In all likeliness, the jet was used by the military for this one purpose, to smash it into the WTC.

From a different video camera and a different angle the missile can be seen impacting the building at about the same time as the cockpit hits the building (see images below). The missile can be seen as a fireball right beside the cockpit as it impacts the building.



http://www.geocities.com/carbonprobe/missilepunch1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/carbonprobe/missilepunch2-reel.jpg
Some have claimed the object is a cargo door opening
from stress. The cargo doors are not under the wing
http://www.geocities.com/carbonprobe/missile-pod-bw-analysis.jpg

[Mansoor Ali]

Do you see what is curious ?
http://perso.club-internet.fr/mouv4x8/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg

[Mansoor Ali]

Official Story Collapses Under Scrutiny
Fires have never leveled steel high-rise buildings.
The collapses were not seriously investigated.
The physical evidence was destroyed.
The official explanations are ludicrous.
The evidence indicates demolition.
Demolition is provable.
Destruction of Evidence

The city accepted a plan by Controlled Demolition Inc. for the recycling of the steel, 11 days after the attack.
The steel was sold to scrap metal vendors for a low price.
The vast majority of the steel was quickly removed to ships destined for blast furnaces in India and China.
New infrastructure was built to accelerate the removal.
Investigators were barred from Ground Zero, except for one "guided tour". People were threatened with arrest for taking photographs.
The evidence destruction operation was conducted over the concerted objections of victims' family members and the firefighting community.

Evidence Surviving the Cleanup Operation
Although the physical evidence was destroyed, photographic, video, and eyewitness evidence survives.

This evidence shows:

Dust and fragments were ejected from the towers at high velocities.
The tops of the towers exploded into descending mushrooming clouds of dust.
The mushrooming dust clouds remained centered as they devoured the towers.
The dust clouds grew to volumes several times the buildings' volumes, and covered Lower Manhattan with dust.
The non-metallic components of the towers and their contents were pulverized to sub-100 micron dust.
The steel superstructures were shredded.
Intense heat in the basements melted the foundations of the core columns.
Explosive Ejections of Dust and Pieces
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/wtc1b.jpghttp://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/gz_hd1391p36.jpg
Evidence: Mushrooming Tops
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/nt_col1531.jpg
Each tower began to explode into a cloud of dust within a second of the start of its collapse.
The mushrooming clouds fell and expanded rapidly
The clouds remained centered around each tower's vertical axis.
The mushrooming clouds expanded to 3 times each tower's diameter by 5 seconds, and 5 times their diameter by 10 seconds.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/fig_1_7c.jpg
The Towers Collapsed with Dead-Centered Symmetry
The towers collapsed straight down.
Discounting demolition, they followed the path of most resistance.
The South Tower first began to tip, but then became more symmetric.
Achieving symmetric collapse -- an engineering feat -- is the objective of controlled demolition.
Each Tower Disappeared into a Volcano-like Cloud of Dust
The dense dust clouds that replaced the towers resembled pyroclastic flows studied by vulcanologists.

The dust clouds rapidly expanded to many times each tower's volume.
The dust clouds advanced down streets around 30 mph.
The clouds were dense enough to pick up and carry people.
Non-Metallic Building Parts and Contents Were Thoroughly Pulverized
The concrete, glass, drywall, insulation, and other non-metallic building parts were pulverized to mostly sub-100 micron powder.
Nearly all office contents were pulverized beyond recognition.
1000 bodies were "vaporized", preventing identification, even with advanced DNA techniques.
The Steel Structure Was Shredded
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/wtc_shattered2.jpg

The perimeter wall was shattered into small pieces, mostly less than 30 feet long.
The core columns were chopped into sections no more than a few stories long.
Many perimeter column sections were ripped from spandrell plates at the welds.
Intense Heat Persisted for Months
Fires continued to burn deep in the rubble pile for 100 days, despite the spraying of water onto the pile.
When the rubble was cleared, pools of previously melted steel were discovered at the foundations.
Temperatures needed to melt steel (1535º+ C) could not have been caused by residual hydrocarbon fires. A blast furnace is normally required to melt large pieces of steel.
The Towers' Concrete Was Pulverized in Mid-Air
Photographs and videos document dense clouds of pulverized concrete dust being ejected from the towers within the first seconds of the collapses.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/site1101.jpg
Rubble Falling Through Towers Encountered No More Resistance Than Air
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/nt_col6527.jpg
Given the mushrooming of the tops, most of the mass fell outside the footprint of the building.

An object in a vacuum would take 9.2 seconds to fall from the towers' height.
It took the rubble from the towers' tops about 13-16 seconds to reach the ground, both inside and outside of the tower's footprint.
Air resistance was the only thing slowing the descent of the rubble outside the footprint.
1000 vertical feet of intact vertical structure would have been slowing the rubble inside the footprint, barring demolition.
Since a steel structure should have provided hundreds, if not thousands, of times the resistance of air, it must have been demolished ahead of the falling mass.
Dust Cloud Expansion Energy Sink Vastly Exceeded Gravitational Energy Source
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/wtc1_dust_2.jpg
Dust cloud of North Tower expanded to about 5 times building volume by 30 seconds from collapse start.
Heat energy is required to produce expansion:
Ideal gas law: PV = nRT where:
P = pressure
V = volume
T = absolute temperature

Heat required over 10X gravitational potential energy.
energy required for 3.4X expansion is on the order of 1,500,000 kWh.
gravitational energy was about 100,000 kWh
The South Tower's Top Disintegrated As It Fell
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/eh_wtc4.jpg
The curvature of the wall shows about 30 stories above crash zone had shattered less than 2 seconds into the collapse
Angular momentum of the tipping top vanished. Only the disappearance of the moment of inertia through the disintegration of the top can explain this.

[Mansoor Ali]

September 11th - Three Years On

There are some people who see through the lies of Zionist controlled U.S. mainstream media and believe the story told to them by the U.S. government about the tragedy of September 11, 2001 is merely another self-serving, nightmare to rally political support for the continuing American/Zionist assault on the Islamic world.

One purpose of that day — to vilify Muslims in the collective mind of the American public and enable the American war machine to increase its level of aggression against the Muslim countries without political opposition at home.

Now, as clumsy excuses for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have been exposed throughout the world as blatant lies, some people are beginning to question the American government's dishonest behavior, even in regard to 9/11.

A few people continues its efforts to expose the deceptions that comprise perhaps the greatest threat to political stability in the world, as the Zionist-controlled group in Washington continues its efforts to steal the Persian Gulf oil by planning a series of wars throughout the Middle East aimed at accomplishing this objective, as well as to ensure Israel is the dominant force in the region.

In both the cases of the 9/11 tragedy and the Iraq war, the great unspoken influence continues to be Israel.

Since the FBI published a list of the names of the alleged 19 hijackers mere hours after the disaster, some of those names have belonged to people reportedly alive and living in various countries. Yet the FBI has never made an attempt to change its list, nor has it attempted to question those with names used by hijackers who are still able to talk. In addition, there is no legitimate security camera videotape showing the hijackers ever got on the fateful planes, nor any record of their purchasing tickets. Their names were not included on the passenger lists recording the names of the dead.

The real reason for all the misery in the Middle East appears to be nothing more complex than the expansion of Israel's strength.

Bush's White House staff is dominated by Israeli operatives: Perle, Wolfowitz, Libby, Bolten, Zakheim, Feith. In addition, warmongering advisers Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice are inextricably linked to both the oil industry and the Zionist agenda, as is much of the leadership of the opposition party, the Democrats, which is why Americans saw a recent vote in their House of Representatives supporting Sharon's policy of wall-building and gradual extermination of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories by a count of 407-9.

One piece of evidence about 9/11 lies that seems to be emerging is photographic footage of the disaster at the Pentagon, which shows, from a multiplicity of angles and sequences, not a trace of the wreckage of a jetliner.

Another recent revelation has involved the so-called cellphone calls from distressed passengers on the hijacked planes. It seems that cellphone calls cannot be successfully completed above 8,000 feet, and most of the purported calls were supposedly made above that altitude.

More compelling evidence for a 9/11 coverup, however, has always been the duplicitous statements made by top American officials immediately after the attacks. Cheney, Rice, and military chief Richard Myers all said that same day that they had no idea attacks like this could ever happen, but then the FBI blew their cover by releasing the names of hijackers they said they had been tracking for six months. Since that time, President Bush has worked diligently to prevent a legitimate investigation of that day's events, culminating recently in the official publication of the 9/11 Commission Report, which never attempted to fix blame on any perpetrators.

Can you imagine? The greatest attack in American history, and it was never properly investigated.

The U.S. government storms around the world murdering countless civilian populations and stealing the resources of underdeveloped nations, while a majority of Americans believe their brave soldiers are fighting evil terrorists and bringing justice to the unfortunate backwaters of civilization. It's basically the same situation in Palestine, about which most Americans are brainwashed by Zionist media into believing the brave Israelis are struggling for freedom against the evil bandit Palestinians, when in fact it is a population of unarmed Palestinians who are being exterminated by Israeli Jews who believe that anybody who is not a Jew is less-than-human vermin, and therefore it is OK to kill them with impunity.

Indeed, it is the world turned upside down for purposes of plunder and profit.

What is definitely becoming clearer now, three years after the initial shock of 9/11 jolted America into all-out war mode, is that the information emanating from the big media companies all over the world is clearly and tragically twisted by an evil Zionist corruption that blames innocent people for crimes that these media whores themselves are complicit in. Due to this power, thousands of people are being murdered, while American corporations reap huge profits.

[Mahdi]

A most interesting discussion! To entertain the idea that the US carried out this attack on itself is an exercise of pure fantacy. Enjoy it my brethern if this is what makes you happy. ...gees!

You see, 911 is very similar to the "Hitler event" in that it was of such magnatude that it forced the world to stop and define itself in relation to the event. In World War II, the world had to make a stand (as it relates to Hitler) whether or not this type of behavior could be tolorated any longer.

911 has forced the same line of demarcation in the world. It boils down to this my friends.

Like Hitler, we can justify anything we desire to. Islam, Christians, and Jews alike can find scriptural justification to kill and to attack. In doing so however, we must then belief that Allah intended us to destroy that which he created. Who are we to determine the value of another human soul? When we all die, our soul is not measured by that of another! If we want the reward of heaven then our focus of our "being" should be on ...what we ourselves "be". This is all you control. THis is all you will die with!!

So 911 provides each of us individually the opportunity to define our own "being" in relation to the event ...regardless of who is responsible. This is the significance of the event.

So my bretheren, what will you decide for yourself? Is your being now focused on the negative aspects of life and all the negative emotions. If so you define yourself as one consummed by negative forces in life. Is this the demeanor to provide your ticket to heaven?

...or will you now choose to become a being of love and respect? The choice is "soul-ly" your own and your choice (without argument) is who you be. View your decisions from Allah's perspective. Which soul would be worthy?

Mahdi

[Mansoor Ali]

Mahdi, you said
To entertain the idea that the US carried out this attack on itself is an exercise of pure fantacy.

Let's look at the evidence of one aspect of 9/11 - The Pentagon attack.

The following three pictures are said to origin from the department of defense (dod) and to have been shot by the pentagon's parking cctv on September 11 2001.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/911_wtc_images/frame1.jpghttp://www.thepowerhour.com/images/911_wtc_images/frame2.jpg
http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/911_wtc_images/frame3.jpg


The camera location can be seen on the following image
http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/911_wtc_images/vue-aerienne.jpg
http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/pentagon_images/pentani.gif

Frame 1
http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/911_wtc_images/pentani1.gif

The smoke made by a plane (vortex of exhaust) cannot extend below ground level : it is faked.
A plane cannot at the same time hit the top of a lamp pole, at around 10 m above ground and fly under a level of 1.3 m above ground.
Whatever is the model of plane or missile, fly down an embankment and instantly take an horizontal flight level under 1.3 m from ground is impossible.
If we add that the plane is said to be a Boeing 757 and the presumed pilot, Hani Hanjour, had been considered by his instructors as unable to land with a Cessna 172, this could be a good joke if there was not the circumstances, the number of victims and the consequences.
The trajectory that suggests the smoke is indeed an ascending trajectory regarding to the horizon line : the unidentified flying object should fly under the ground level before emerging from the grass of the embankment, at the limit of the heliport, and then keep on ascending to go and hit the pentagon's front at a few meters height above the ground !
A 757 would have to fly around 150 m from the apparition of it's nose on the right of the image up to the disappearance of it's tail